Originally posted by Powerws
Anyone know of an Apexx, MG Aero, Sysmic S1, Ivanpah, or a Libre super truck II that I can buy right? Must be in great condition! I'm so happy to
have narrowed it down!
I hate to bust your bubble. :P Those are all top of the line buggys no doubt. But they are not your "dingy". They are all awesome rides, but not
exactly smaller, lighter. They are more of your "yacht". Something more along the lines (but not necessarily) of the vmax. Just something that is
lighter yet can take a beating and that you can get the feel of what's going on just like Jon was explaining.awindofchange - 31-8-2011 at 01:04 PM
The Sysmic buggy is still pretty new, especially to us over here in the U.S. It's cost is a bit high after doing the exchange rate which is probably
why there are not more of them running around over here. I have looked over the Sysmic buggy and it appears to be a very top notch buggy. I haven't
had the chance to run around in one yet so can't comment on that but it looks pretty good. It is a very sharp looking buggy.Powerws - 31-8-2011 at 02:09 PM
I kinda where ripsessions is. That is buying a race like buggy that is great quality, that will last, and that is comfortable.Powerws - 31-8-2011 at 05:45 PM
Sunset, what I was saying is that I want the yacht more than I want the dingy. With all due respect to everyone here especially to Jellis, I do pick
up things very well and while you may have more feel with a smaller buggy, I'm in it for the long haul, so the way I see it, I will aquire the feel
and touch no matter which buggy I'm on.mougl - 31-8-2011 at 06:42 PM
Powerws:
Check with Chad here on the forum. I know he had an Ivanpah for sale that was in great condition, and the color scheme was worthy of a healthy drool!
I dont know if he has sold it or not, but worth a shot. The Ivanpah sounds like just the ticket for your wants and needs. I have had the pleasure of
piloting Angus' Ivanpah on 2 occasions and the thing is exactly like he says, "A Lay-z-boy on train tracks". It took all the power I fed it, and
comfort was great. Thing seems bulletproof. I would buy Chads Ivanpah if I could right now. If he does still have it, do NOT miss out on this deal.
Good luck bro!
One thing to keep in mind, race buggies are huge! They take much more to haul them around, they take a ton of time to break them down and put them
back together again....usually it is not recommended to break them down all the time. More of a set-it and forget-it type of thing. If you have a
large truck or trailer then no problem, if you have a truck with a shell / bed cover or a smaller sized truck, you may have major problems hauling a
big race buggy around.
Race buggies need a lot of room to really get the use out of them. If you don't have a huge place to ride, you may find a race buggy is not optimal.
Smaller buggies like the PL Comp XR+ may not handle the high speeds like a race buggy, but they are by no means a trainer or childs toy. The smaller
buggies are more designed for smaller fields, parks and parking lots. they are also the only logical choice for freestyle, jumping, two wheeling,
360's, etc... Things that are very difficult or even impossible to do in a full race buggy.
I carry two PL buggies and my Ivanpah with me all the time in my trailer, reason is because sometimes I just want to freestyle in the PL instead of
cruising. The PL buggies also break down in a about a minute, without the need for any tools. They can fit in the back seat of a Honda without the
use of a wrench. They are super light and a blast to ride in. They work great in parks and short areas where the big race buggies are almost
worthless.
From your posts, you seem to be under the impression that the PL buggies are a stepping stone to get into the race buggies. This is far from
accurate. Each buggy is optimal for what it is designed for and in most cases, you may find the PL buggy much more user friendly and much more fun
than the full Race Buggies....especially when it comes to hauling them around. To continue the similarities to boats.... a race buggy would be like a
high performance ocean racer and the PL buggies are more like jet ski's. It would be silly to put the ocean racer in your local state lake while the
Jet Ski would be simple to throw in the water and would be a total blast - on the other hand, the ocean racer is perfect out in the wide open ocean at
speeds cracking 100+ mph where a Jet Ski is a little scary.
Hope that helps you in your quest.Powerws - 1-9-2011 at 05:19 AM
Kent, Awesome! Thank you for taking the time to write that. Makes sense! My beaches are not huge by any means, and to be quite honest while I do have
a trailer, it would be nice to have a smaller buggy for ease of moving around. This helps!Bladerunner - 1-9-2011 at 06:39 AM
I agree with what Kent is saying and it is what I was trying to say.
I will probably only get to put my race buggy to use 1/2 dozen times a year. I will have to pay to ship it to events. Being 100lbs it isn't cheap.
I thought I would sell my smaller buggy but the easy transport + set-up mean it is still very useful to me.
I can fit the Ivanpah in my car but must break it down for storage. NOT an ideal situation !
Just like having more than one kite having more than one buggy is nice. With a hitch you have a tandem set-up and instant Karma !!!!Powerws - 1-9-2011 at 11:03 AM
Thanks Blade, With all of the advice you kinda forget what was said sometimes. This does make sense! Thanks again!bison - 1-9-2011 at 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by awindofchange
...the Ivanpah the best production buggy on the planet...
Quote:
Originally posted by awindofchange
...the person that I had helping me build the Ivanpah buggies at that time screwed up cutting one of the side rails and did a half-assed attempt at
patching it back together without my knowledge...
Production Quality is only as good as those who produce it. The fact that this happened is evidence to the contrary of your original statement above.
LIBRE has had a few problems over the years and thousands of buggies they have produced. They have done the same as you and replaced parts as
necessary. I just take exception to your original statement "best production buggy on the planet." That's a bold statement to make, just waiting to be
challenged.Powerws - 1-9-2011 at 11:24 AM
Yes Bison, Great catch and point! I spoke with KBSS and he was the original guy speaking of LIBER. I went to a VMAX II, then to a truckII but now
possibly a hardcore. Still great buggy but smaller. I also heard the Exxtreme Basixx is supposed to be the deal. I hope they have one at WW. Fast and
stable but smaller for tricks. Right in between.:cool2:bison - 1-9-2011 at 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by awindofchange
From your posts, you seem to be under the impression that the PL buggies are a stepping stone to get into the race buggies. This is far from
accurate. Each buggy is optimal for what it is designed for and in most cases, you may find the PL buggy much more user friendly and much more fun
than the full Race Buggies....especially when it comes to hauling them around.
Although you make some good points here, even the boat comparison is valid, I believe the point really is that a new pilot should spend some time, a
season or two, with a smaller buggy and kites (pending their propensity to learning it). This allows the pilot to become increasingly proficent with
those kites and buggies in general. Then once a pilot has mastered them. Jumping into a larger, task specific, buggy and utilizing larger kites
becomes a challenge instead of a set back. Starting with a race buggy or bigfoot can hamper a new pilots advancement. Spending some time really
learning the FEEL will help considerably in future endevors.
That said, I do believe that this process can be sidestepped, somewhat, when it comes to desert riding. I used to have quite a few problems coming
from the beach to the desert for obvious reasons. Although this is not a problem anymore. The difference in terrain and winds can be intimidating when
one rides mostly in one area or the other. A desert rider will have troubles in turns and lighter winds at the beach.
REALLY solidifying the basics are the best things a new pilot can do!WELDNGOD - 1-9-2011 at 02:03 PM
my custom stainless buggy/ KYTBYK conversion
WELDNGOD - 1-9-2011 at 02:07 PM
my custom aluminum buggy.
WELDNGOD - 1-9-2011 at 02:11 PM
My custom KYTBYK conversion
Powerws - 2-9-2011 at 10:33 AM
I think this Exxtreme Basixx buggy will be the force to reckoned with in this class. I called to get more info on them and Rocco told me the it should
be out of prototype in about 30-60 days. He did tell me that he would have one at WWBB. Order one there and he said 2 week delivery, provided its out
of prototype, which he thinks it will. FYI. Time is counting down. My wife agreed to join me! It's gonna be a party!Powerws - 8-9-2011 at 05:17 AM
Been trying to catch up with Jellis on the Majestic. I need a little more info, Jellis...............you around? I've called you a few times?
