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My next nasa wing

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bigE123 - 8-11-2013 at 05:54 AM

Thanks John, the problem with this one is the wind! Until it was sorted I could only test fly it in light winds, the wind gods knew that and cranked the wind up for weeks!!

Purely Luck - 8-11-2013 at 07:04 AM

My word that thing is pretty bigE123!

kitemaker4 - 16-12-2013 at 05:29 PM

I just finished up a 12 meter npw9. Here is a picture.

Susan (npw goddess)


12 meter npw9 yandg by kitemaker42002, on Flickr

bobalooie57 - 17-12-2013 at 08:20 AM

:cool: Gonna look sweet in flight against a snowy white background!!!Thanks again for your mad skills! :thumbup:

bigE123 - 20-12-2013 at 02:23 PM

Not being funny, but unless we home builders step up to the mark, we're gonna get trounced by the new breed of single skin kites coming through!
Things have to change, otherwise the same old just won't cut the mustard, and I think I may have an answer to keeping up with the game, early days yet but I had my first flight with a re-bridled NPW21 on a completely different profile and it looks promising. Look out the cottage industry is fighting back :D

DRH1469 - 6-1-2014 at 03:55 AM

Susan/Big, create a business!!! You are soo good at this, why not? Specializing in NPWs and single skin? I'd be a client!

kitemaker4 - 6-1-2014 at 08:43 AM

I do this as a hobby. There is not much call for old school kites like nasa wings. I still have fun when I make up a kite. It is very rewarding when you go and fly the kite for the first time knowing that you made it from scratch. I think if it were a business I would loose the "fun" factor in making them.

Susan (npw goddess)

bigE123 - 21-1-2014 at 08:25 AM

Ditto on that, it's one thing making as a hobby but to compete with the big boys and be competitive when it's your living is another matter. That said I did a little back to back test between my modified NPW21 and a "skin" and there is not much between them :-)

Little bit of vid of my 5m NPW21 with it's new bridle profile, wind was @ 6mph


rectifier - 3-2-2014 at 09:02 PM

Near zero winds and below zero temperatures (Fahrenheit) makes a young man's mind turn to ...art?
Anyways my otherwise productive evening of sitting indoors and playing Super Mario was interrupted as I realized the perfect graphic for my 2.6m NPW21.

I'm not much of an artist but I can art if I have to and this was a case where I had to :cool: Drew him freehand with a printed pic for guidance.

A couple of hours with the pencils and the Sharpies and this famous ghost is ready to take flight! Can't wait for a good high wind day to take him riding.
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He has a lot in common with the sport of kiting, tends to sneak up on you from behind when your back is turned.

bigE123 - 4-2-2014 at 02:12 AM

An NPW with attitude, nice! :D
That Tyvek still intrigues me, do you know what weight you used as I came across an ad for "Tyvek 1443R Kitemaking Material" it's only 40g/m. (It was on that well known book store that now sells everything.)

PS and I've just found a UK supplier 20m x 150cm for £32!!!

rectifier - 4-2-2014 at 01:16 PM

BigE, my Tyvek is the standard housewrap which weighs in around 65g/square meter. 40g/sqm is the nice stuff the coveralls are made from and is much softer like fabric. Probably doesn't have the branding on the rear, either, and that sounds like a fair price for it.

Unfortunately the only means I found of decorating a soft Tyvek kite is Sharpie markers. Anything else flakes off when it flexes.

bigE123 - 7-3-2014 at 08:57 AM

An NPW21 6m, first flight and ready for the summer :D


bigE123 - 29-3-2014 at 02:59 PM

And a little something for someone else this time!

NPW 21 6m and the theme is?



bengineer - 7-4-2014 at 04:52 AM

Is there any reason one can't make an NPW from one single sheet of fabric instead of having several panels sewn together. Can't all the bridal attachment points be reinforced with webbing? It seems this would save a lot of time when trying out new ideas. Of course it would make more fabric waste.
Ben

kitemaker4 - 7-4-2014 at 07:56 AM

It would have to be smaller kites.

Susan (npw goddess)

bigE123 - 8-4-2014 at 03:41 AM

The number of panels is determined by the fabric width, the only reason the wing panels are done in two pieces on an NPW is to save on material waste.

I use webbing in my bridle seams for stability and saves me having to sew in tags, I have had no issues using this method.

bigE123 - 12-8-2014 at 01:56 AM

So where do you go from an NPW? The internet is both a wonderful thing and a daemon! Why because I came across plans for a single skin kite and well something in my head said BUILD IT! So that I did and here is my new 10m2 low wind kite. There are 21 panels and in the time it took me build this I could have built at least 8 NPWs! Early days yet as I've only had a couple of static sessions with it but whilst it may be very different from an NPW in some respects, in others it is not. I've now started tuning it more as a power kite and it is very stable generates bags of power and although I did not want a big "lifty" kite, I went for a lower AoA, that said it does lift and is super smooth when it does.
From building this I've gone back to my NPW quiver and added some of the lessons learnt, which means my NPW quiver has now virtually no nose collapse at all .... happy days :D



Flight in a max wind of 3mph!:


IMK - 12-8-2014 at 02:14 AM

Very very nice single skin! :thumbup:

skimtwashington - 12-8-2014 at 02:56 AM

How many hours to make?

Racing shape design....?

Keep us updated on performance once you try with buggy or board.


New skin in the game- of single skins.....move over Peter Lynn SKIN!

soliver - 12-8-2014 at 04:27 AM

Very cool!

bigE123 - 12-8-2014 at 04:43 AM

Cheers guys for the comments :thumbup:

Quote:
How many hours to make?


Too many! First off is making the pattern up, then all the cutting: 21 panels with 22 keels. The sewing skills needed is a step up from an NPW as there are three pieces per seam and need working to get the shape, the bridle side is pretty straight forward. That all said I would hazard a guess at @200 hrs which may reduce on an other build but it is very labour intensive.


Quote:
Racing shape design....?


I wanted a higher aspect kite hence the shape

Quote:
Keep us updated on performance once you try with buggy or board.


Will do, low wind buggy engine was my aim, at the moment I want to get some static flying under my belt to get it fully tuned in different conditions and get really comfortable with it, I sent it straight up the other day in 6mph wind and I went with it, only a foot or so off the ground, the power just keeps coming and is so smooth.

John Holgate - 12-8-2014 at 05:00 AM

Nice!! Keep us posted on how it goes :D

abkayak - 12-8-2014 at 05:13 AM

really looks great nice work..it looks powerful as heck

bigE123 - 12-8-2014 at 05:52 AM

First flight in 12mph wind had to really skirt around the edges of the window:

bigE123 - 14-8-2014 at 04:45 AM

Here we go, managed a quick 1/2 hr test flight with the Z-bridle fitted:
One Z-bridle


How it looks when the handles are staked down:


And finally in-flight:


It's now so close, flying can now be done as per a foil, power line between top two fingers.

The window and power is really impressive, I'm hooked this is the future. I've been told no more building for at least 6 months! But I may swing a stealth 6m build in soon :D

Another couple of sessions to do a final tune then in to the buggy :D

skimtwashington - 14-8-2014 at 07:22 AM

BTW..

Where did you get plans for this build?

bigE123 - 14-8-2014 at 07:30 AM

http://sourceforge.net/projects/singleskin/files/

I used the SingleSkin_0.3_Setup.exe

There are a lot of parameters you can change to create the kite you want, if you are interested I can send you the parameter set I used.

ssayre - 14-8-2014 at 11:40 AM

BigE are you accepting orders? :D

I'm guessing that would be a labor intensive expensive build.

bigE123 - 14-8-2014 at 11:56 AM

:D Oh lordy, nice try:D, until I get another build under my belt and get the time down I could not compete with the price of even the Peak.

PS My wife has just got her kitchen table back, it's been my work place for a good few weeks ;-)

lyznicek - 16-11-2014 at 10:49 AM

Good evening from Czech Republic,
I just joined the forum because I am planning to make my first NPW :rolleyes: I own 4m C LEI and 9,5m open cell depower kites. It seems for 5-6m NPW21 maybe wider. I would like to ask for some help with the bridles. I want to control the AoA, so depower. I am thinking about putting keels there to reduce the amount of the attachment points, bridels and pulleys. Do you think there would be possibility of reducing the pulleys completly? Another thing is about the bridle material, thinking about putting unsleeved fishing 100lb dyneema, should I go for 8 strands braided or 4 is ok? Planning to make handels or just put on a bar from my current kites (try).
Thank you in advance for your reactions :)

bigE123 - 17-11-2014 at 12:45 AM

Hi lyznicek and welcome.
couple of thoughts on what you're trying to do:
What are your thoughts on pulleys? I use a four pulley system, but do you really want to de-power a 5-6m kite I think you should build a fixed bridle at that size and get it flying. You can add a de-power system at any point after that it is easy to add to a built kite.
As for bridle material I would always go for proper bridle line I use @40 daN line for secondaries and @60 daN for primaries, fishing line has different stretch than bridle line.
Handles or bar :D there are two things to consider here, firstly if you de-power it then you will get more power directed down the brake lines, whilst it's not a problem some may find it harder to master on handles. If you go for fixed bridle, again handles to get it flying as you want, putting a bar straight on you may find it difficult to tune the kite.

lyznicek - 17-11-2014 at 10:04 AM

Thanks for welcoming me BigE,
I can say I want something very similar to your NASA. You have the keels and depower there, right? As beginning I am using spreadsheet from http://users.telenet.be/claeskites/page13%20NPW21.htm But I would like to use less bridles (with keel or cascades) for less pulleys in the future depower. Can I ask you for your bridling?

lyznicek - 17-11-2014 at 10:35 AM

The depower in my foil is shown in the picture attached. Its not the usual one with separated rows, but its working good. So I am thinking about something similar or standard UDS (number of pulley depending on number of rows 4-5 preferably)

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bigE123 - 18-11-2014 at 02:52 AM

Yes the big 11.5m NASA has 5 point keels and a UDS on it although my signature pic of it is before I modified it.

To be honest I'd go for more of a standard UDS, that's what I use, there is a but, I keep the wing edges static and just let the main panel alter it's AoA.
Careful with the spreadsheet you have, I started with it and found some errors.

The keels are a bit more tricky, I don't have an "automated" way of creating a template, I draw the main bridle lines out in MS publisher full size and then draw the profile shape on with 5 keels and print it out. I know there must be a much better way but its a trade off of time and effort. I have a copy of keels for a 6m I have used on two builds.

kite Man Renny - 18-11-2014 at 08:33 AM

here is my very little 1.1m2 kite

sadsack

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bigE123 - 19-11-2014 at 01:41 AM

Ho ho ho very festive :D Does that mean Rudolph will be taking a rest?

kite Man Renny - 19-11-2014 at 01:01 PM

yes, have you been a good boy?????
making bridle is so much fun



I can't wait to make a nother



But I do have a helper.



here is a old table I picked up, great for bridle,layout and cuting.



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bigE123 - 20-11-2014 at 07:15 AM

You need to get your helper a red hat :D I often wondered what Father Christmas did during the rest of the year! :D

Strangely enough I find doing the bridles very therapeutic.

kite Man Renny - 20-11-2014 at 11:53 AM

I wish I did!

skimtwashington - 21-11-2014 at 08:26 AM

Redirecting...

bigE123....Have you had any more use of the kite in your Avatar for a more detailed report on it's performance? Curious about upwind ability in buggy .

bigE123 - 22-11-2014 at 03:01 AM

Had a bit of a break recently from the kite side of things, plus going for a 10m which was primarily built as a low wind machine and as you would have guessed the wind has picked-up. That aside the the last time I was out with it in the buggy it felt like my Blade VIP with similar edge performance but obviously with the bigger size more power, I've a feeling it may not be as fast across the window.
I did think and say out loud "No more of this type of build".... I've started a new 6m!

The reason is I am really impressed with it and want to be able to compare it directly with both an NPW and a foil of the same size to find out how it fairs. I learnt a few things from the first build and have made a change to the wing tip shape to see if it improves the turning. I did find sometimes on a tight turn or turning in a lull the tips sometimes loose inflation, it didn't effect the performance just being a bit of a perfectionist, I managed to minimise it with a bridle change but wanted to see if changing the shape improves things.
I also put a de-power set-up on it, which I need to spend more time flying with.

So here are the first ribs for the 6m kite, only 12 more to go!:


skimtwashington - 22-11-2014 at 05:52 AM

Ribs? .... like the FS Peak has ribs...?

What design type is this?

Your designs away from the NPW are most interesting...:cool:


bigE123 - 22-11-2014 at 10:12 AM

Ribs yes like the Peak and the others that will be hitting the market before too long, it's a design I found for a paraglider which I altered to make it more suited to power kiting.

Strangely enough though from building this I have carried some of the "lessons learnt" back to my NPW quiver :D

kitemaker4 - 28-11-2014 at 08:46 PM

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7473/15282844513_14828fc113_b....

This is a picture of my latest sewing project. It is a 4 meter npw9.

Susan (npw goddess)

kitemaker4 - 28-11-2014 at 08:55 PM


kitemaker4 - 28-11-2014 at 09:45 PM


sadsack - 29-11-2014 at 08:10 AM

very nice, like the colors:evil:

bigE123 - 30-11-2014 at 07:38 AM

All ribs for the 6m now complete :D Next phase the panels, pic showing one side ribs:

sadsack - 30-11-2014 at 01:56 PM

bigE123 that is going be a nice sail.

kitemaker4 - 3-1-2015 at 03:40 PM

4 meter npw9 build.

Susan (npw goddess)

Randy - 3-1-2015 at 04:54 PM

And here is a video of Susan's great work in action.


sadsack - 3-1-2015 at 05:58 PM

Randy Did you make that kite? Very nice. What was your riding on,skates or skateboard? I am going have to get me that camera.
what formatt does the camera save the movies in, DVD.
Neat looking kite, you done some sewing on that one, very nice.
renny:lol:

Randy - 3-1-2015 at 06:36 PM

Renny - Susan (the npw goddess) made the kite for me - she get's all the credit - its the one in the picture in her post above mine. (I edited to make that more clear.) The camera is just the original GoPro in this case. The format is the regular windows format, which I pull into Windows Movie Maker. There is always a lot of editing. In that case, I had about 30 minutes of video and picked only a few good minutes, though that was a good day for flying.

I was using a MBS Atom Mountain Board on that particular day. The NPW 4 meter was on 25 foot lines.

sadsack - 3-1-2015 at 06:57 PM

Great, I have not been on my board for a while. The beach is real hard now so if we don,t get any snow I am try my board on the beach.



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One day I am going to get some binding for it.:bird:

kitemaker4 - 17-4-2015 at 02:13 PM

Here is a picture of my latest nasa wing. It is a npw9



Susan (npw goddess)

1oldkid - 17-4-2015 at 05:58 PM

Like the colors!
Is that about 4m?

kitemaker4 - 18-4-2015 at 03:44 AM

Sorry, I forgot to mention the size of the kite. It is a 5 meter.

Susan (npw goddess)

ssayre - 9-6-2015 at 02:57 PM

Hmm, my npw9 is suppose to be here tomorrow and winds are forecast to be 10-20 with a possible storm. This could get interesting I hope. Time to remove the short lines and put the long ones on the handles. I'm feeling a buggy day. It's the red and blue one Susan made in one of the above posts.

ssayre - 10-6-2015 at 02:10 PM

Got my first look at Susan's npw. As no surprise, build quality and material are great and thanks to Randy, it's still as crispy as a new dollar bill. I love the colors as well as they are my kids high school colors. I first took it to a new location on a side of town I was working near. The spot was terrible, I wasn't sure if it was me, the kite, or the spot, but it was definitely the spot as I later figured out. After work, I went to my usual spot and started with long lines and handles. It flew great once I got the feel of where it liked to be balanced. I still need much more practice on the handles to get the most out of it. I wanted to see how it would fly on just 2 lines so I just disconnected the brake lines from kite and handles and combined the bridles to the power lines. I was surprised to see that the knots Susan had on the power and brake bridles were perfectly balanced as it flew great without any additional knots needed. This would not be an easy task as there seemed to be a precise sweet spot when I was flying off handles and since Susan usually flies quad I wasn't sure if she would have balanced perfectly. So I have no doubt that it will work well on a bar with long lines. I haven't got to short lines and longboard yet but that will be next. Thanks Susan and Randy and I look forward to streetkite and buggy trials.

Edit: wind was only around 10 unfortunately or I would have already used it in the buggy.

Randy - 10-6-2015 at 03:08 PM

Glad you liked the SusaNPW.:) I may never be able to build one half as good, but I'm going to try. Got several long summer months ahead with little wind in sight. What better way to spend my time than building NPW(s)? I started my 2.8 NPWater 9b today.

Randy - 12-1-2016 at 01:50 PM

My latest build - 3.25 M NPW 5P. Not quite finished (have to check and then trim the bridles). My biggest kite yet.



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bigE123 - 12-1-2016 at 02:28 PM

Nice looking kite Randy, come on you know size matters, take a leap of faith the bigger you go the more tolerant the kite is to slight errors. I'm going the other way started planning a high AR 3m hammer to compliment my quiver. Few tweaks to the design and some aplique to finish.

Windstruck - 13-1-2016 at 07:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by sadsack  
Great, I have not been on my board for a while. The beach is real hard now so if we don,t get any snow I am try my board on the beach.






One day I am going to get some binding for it.:bird:


I know this is an older post, but that skateboard rocks! I've never seen one with tank tracks. Cool as the other side of the pillow!!! :cool:

Randy - 13-1-2016 at 07:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bigE123  
Nice looking kite Randy, come on you know size matters, take a leap of faith the bigger you go the more tolerant the kite is to slight errors. I'm going the other way started planning a high AR 3m hammer to compliment my quiver. Few tweaks to the design and some aplique to finish.


Thanks Ian. I have found that as builds get bigger in some ways they do get easier. Its really hard to do tiny darts. Since I started out not being able to sew a straight seam longer than a few inches its taken a while for me to move up in size. Its also a bit of a challenge to make bigger kites since I've bought an assortment of 1 yard long ripstop of different colors - so I have figure out how to make it work. Next time I order I am getting longer ones.

For now - I'm going the opposite direction making a .7 M NPW 5 (gift for wife's friend.)


ssayre - 13-1-2016 at 07:54 AM

Randy, is that just the bottom row of bridles on the brakes? Nice looking kite.

Randy - 13-1-2016 at 10:17 AM

Yes - the bottom 2 rows for each of the 3 columns of bridles on each side are the brake lines. I thought about making the outside ones on the wing power, though. I might experiment sometime with changing it.

Randy - 14-1-2016 at 10:54 AM

Here is my .7 M NPW gift kite. Its a buzzard kite, its annoying that its upside down, but it shows right side up if you click on it. One of my attempts at putting designs on kites.



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Windstruck - 14-1-2016 at 11:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Here is my .7 M NPW gift kite. Its a buzzard kite, its annoying that its upside down, but it shows right side up if you click on it. One of my attempts at putting designs on kites.





Cool! Does it stare down at you from the sky? She looks pissed. :lol:

Randy - 14-1-2016 at 11:37 AM

That's the idea - to look like an angry buzzard.:D Just took it out for the first flight - the wind was pretty lame but it flew in a few of the puffs!

3shot - 15-1-2016 at 06:09 PM

Love that color Randy!

Randy - 16-1-2016 at 06:11 AM

That's funny - I got an assortment of a dozen different colors. I don't like pink, and since the kite was for a lady, I decided to use it.

skimtwashington - 16-1-2016 at 08:41 AM

A litle pink is nice:




6.5 meter

Randy - 18-2-2016 at 06:40 AM

I've been on a roll this week. Not sure where to put this - kite longboarding, SUP kites, or here, so I guess I'll put it here. This captures some of my latest builds, including my 3.25 M NPW 5-P and a NPW like kite.




bigE123 - 20-2-2016 at 05:31 AM

Nice vid Randy, that new kite looks like simplicity personified! (get me, been reading a dictionary :D)

bigE123 - 20-2-2016 at 05:43 AM

Not an NPW but it is single skin, my new 3m2 high aspect kite ready for bridling:


Two firsts on this one, firstly: my first ever blog on the build:BigE blog
The second: a higher aspect ratio than before, my 12m was 4.7 this puppy is 6...fingers crossed.

Windstruck - 20-2-2016 at 07:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bigE123  
Not an NPW but it is single skin, my new 3m2 high aspect kite ready for bridling:


Two firsts on this one, firstly: my first ever blog on the build:BigE blog
The second: a higher aspect ratio than before, my 12m was 4.7 this puppy is 6...fingers crossed.


@BigE - nicely played sir, nicely played. I just read your blog on XK from beginning to most current. Very cool evolution. I love your color scheme and decoration features! I've got a 4m Peak2 that screams through the sky in high winds. I can imagine how this rocket is going to really zip, being both smaller and higher AR.

Are you planning on making this DP and run it off a DP bar? I suspect not, so FB off of handles? Is this kite a buggy engine, or what are you planning to do with it mainly?

Very fun to read your blog and live the evolution through your text and pictures. Thanks for making the effort to share the slow stoke. :karate:

skimtwashington - 20-2-2016 at 07:04 AM

Single Skin Racing! That's one long 3m. Looks real nice,
the colors and design.

Stiffeners in this one...?

Hope to hear a proper performance report soon.

What's next?

How bout one with zipper to 'close up or open up" fabric and built in bridal adjuster so you can change kite size to extend wind range(ref: Paraski Flex):smilegrin:

bigE123 - 20-2-2016 at 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  

Are you planning on making this DP and run it off a DP bar? I suspect not, so FB off of handles? Is this kite a buggy engine, or what are you planning to do with it mainly?

Very fun to read your blog and live the evolution through your text and pictures. Thanks for making the effort to share the slow stoke. :karate:

Thanks Windstruck, fb is in my passion at the moment, I do have dp on my 12m though. as with all my kites I like to spend some time static flying to really get the "feel" of it, but yes it's to buggy with on handles or bar.

bigE123 - 20-2-2016 at 07:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by skimtwashington  
Single Skin Racing! That's one long 3m. Looks real nice,
the colors and design.

Stiffeners in this one...?

Hope to hear a proper performance report soon.

What's next?

How bout one with zipper to 'close up or open up" fabric and built in bridal adjuster so you can change kite size to extend wind range(ref: Paraski Flex):smilegrin:


Cheers Skimt but,
Whoa there :D Now that is a good team name "Single Skin Racing"!
Yes I have put stiffeners in the LE they go just past the point the nose starts.
Next? I can't think past this one! :D
Zippers: I've seen and the concept is fraught with bridle issues, I'd prefer to build a kite to do one job and not compromise trying to make it do more.

Randy - 21-2-2016 at 10:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bigE123  
Nice vid Randy, that new kite looks like simplicity personified! (get me, been reading a dictionary :D)


Thanks Ian. I guess now that you are a blogger you had to study that dictionary!:D

Awesome work on your new build. You blog pictures and explanations are quite interesting. Seeing the kite start to come together is the fun part of building (along with watching it finally fly, and of course, thinking about the next one to build.)


ssayre - 21-2-2016 at 10:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
I've been on a roll this week. Not sure where to put this - kite longboarding, SUP kites, or here, so I guess I'll put it here. This captures some of my latest builds, including my 3.25 M NPW 5-P and a NPW like kite.





Love it Randy! I liked that first kite on the bar. Also, looks like you are enjoying your longboard and getting comfortable with it.

Randy - 21-2-2016 at 02:27 PM

Thanks Sean. Pretty happy with the longboard. I always thought the pavement at that spot was too rough for a longboard, but it worked pretty well. The only thing is - the faster I went the more it felt like my feet were vibrating. It was pretty fun though.

bigE123 - 25-2-2016 at 03:51 AM

Finally finished, leaders fitted and packed ready for it's first test flight, and the weather is? NO WIND!!

Randy - 25-2-2016 at 06:03 AM

That always happens.

Really impressive build - and you did those hundred(s?) bridles pretty quick. Must have been working every spare moment. Can't wait to hear how it flies.




bigE123 - 25-2-2016 at 06:15 AM

Cheers Randy, my wife has been away for a couple of days, what's a guy to do..... hang a kite up in the lounge and make 118 bridle lines! Shhhhh Now to tidy-up before she gets back later!

B-Roc - 25-2-2016 at 07:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
. The only thing is - the faster I went the more it felt like my feet were vibrating.


Are you on a drop through or top mount? If top mount do you have any shockpads between the deck and trucks? Soft shock pads help but if the road is really rough and the wheels relatively hard and you are at speed, you can't eliminate all of the vibration. Tightening the trucks and bushing changes can help some but that may defeat the purpose you are going for.

Randy - 25-2-2016 at 11:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by B-Roc  
Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
. The only thing is - the faster I went the more it felt like my feet were vibrating.


Are you on a drop through or top mount? If top mount do you have any shockpads between the deck and trucks? Soft shock pads help but if the road is really rough and the wheels relatively hard and you are at speed, you can't eliminate all of the vibration. Tightening the trucks and bushing changes can help some but that may defeat the purpose you are going for.


Drop through with shockpads. A guy at the skateboard shops said I should go for the biggest, softest wheels. Would that help?

I do have an ATB, but prefer the longboard since it seems to need less wind.


B-Roc - 25-2-2016 at 11:05 AM

Yes, bigger, softer wheels will help so long as you don't get wheel bite. Risers on a drop through lower the clearance so depending upon the shape of the deck you need to be careful about wheel size as you can't raise the board unless you top mount the trucks

Randy - 25-2-2016 at 11:07 AM

Thanks B-Roc!

ssayre - 25-2-2016 at 11:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bigE123  
Finally finished, leaders fitted and packed ready for it's first test flight, and the weather is? NO WIND!!


Nice work bigE! Insanely jealous of the new creation.

B-Roc - 25-2-2016 at 11:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bigE123  
Finally finished, leaders fitted and packed ready for it's first test flight, and the weather is? NO WIND!!


Really impressive :thumbup::cool:

Randy - 7-4-2016 at 06:30 PM

Not a NPW, but this is sort of the thread we've been using for our latest projects. This is a hybrid kite - a blend of single skin and foil, but not really either one of them. My first attempt at this type of kite. Used my old standby plastic tarp and I'm pretty happy with the way it flies. Minimal bridles, but for me the sewing was complex. I do think it has wind window as good as if not better than my best NPW's. Only 1.0 M - I'm going to make the next one out of ripstop and probably 2-3 M.




Windstruck - 7-4-2016 at 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Not a NPW, but this is sort of the thread we've been using for our latest projects. This is a hybrid kite - a blend of single skin and foil, but not really either one of them. My first attempt at this type of kite. Used my old standby plastic tarp and I'm pretty happy with the way it flies. Minimal bridles, but for me the sewing was complex. I do think it has wind window as good as if not better than my best NPW's. Only 1.0 M - I'm going to make the next one out of ripstop and probably 2-3 M.





Wow Randy, that is one cool kite. Sort of a single skin arc of sorts. Nice.

ssayre - 7-4-2016 at 06:41 PM

That's fantastic Randy. It looks like the shape really allows it to be an agile stable flier. I'm very interested in this latest build. Keep up the good work.

skimtwashington - 7-4-2016 at 07:42 PM



Impressive.

I need to see a close up of design.

The materials stiffness may be a great pairing w/ minimal bridals... ?...seem to hold shape fairly well.


bigE123 - 8-4-2016 at 12:35 AM

That looks epic! Really arc like.Nice find and build. I'm not surprised it was a little tricky to sew at 1m, a bigger one would be very interesting especially in ripstop

3shot - 8-4-2016 at 04:09 AM

That's awesome Randy!

bengineer - 8-4-2016 at 06:43 AM

Nice kite Randy!
Is that Bill R's Maeko design? Is the extra time sewing is made up with less time making bridals? I'm curious about how these would work with a buggy. I guess you would need about twice the area of an NPW to get equal power. Did you try to use a bar like Bill has on his website? Does this need a little more wind than an NPW because of the extra fabric?

Randy - 8-4-2016 at 11:59 AM

Thanks for the comments guys!

I do plan to build another, bigger model from ripstop - probably my next project. As for use as a buggy engine - I don't know. I don't have a buggy. I do think it probably would work for a longboard, or ATB. I hope to bring the next iteration or two to JIBE next month.

@bengineer - It is Bill R's Maeko design on 2e5.com. It probably takes about as long to build as an NPW. I was not very efficient at sewing the "bumps" so that is a factor, while I have gotten fairly efficient at doing bridles. A bigger model would probably be a lot easier to sew. I could probably also see the sewing lines through light color ripstop while my tarp is opaque so that made the sewing harder. The wing itself is quite simple compared to most NPWs. You also don't have the NPW nose, but of course, it has some wrinkles of its own that are a bit tricky.

I used 4 line handles and but I think I will be able to fly it two line as well. I generally find it easier to sort a new kite out with 4 line. I don't know if it needs more wind than an NPW, but I have been surprised at how little wind it needs to fly. The kite weighs 4 oz, a bit more than my ripstop NPWs, probably due to the material.

FlyGuyFrank - 9-4-2016 at 03:26 AM

Wow! I'm stunned by the ingenuity and skills possessed by members of this board! That kite is awesome!

Congrats! :thumbup:

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