garydog - 9-7-2009 at 12:06 PM
I am 225# and like to atb. A local guy has a Guerilla for sale and I do not know much about them. I have read the reviews and many poeple seem to
really like them.
Now I am useing Best Warro's for land and water and was thinking of the PL for the land side of flying.
Are they worth $200. I thought it was high after watching the forums and ebay to see what other kites were selling for.
Thanks Dan
Drewculous - 9-7-2009 at 12:32 PM
what size?
RTF?
Condition?
Too many variables... could be a steal or a bust!
Having never flown one tho, i cant say how they behave in the air, but if its in good shape 200 aint bad for a big kite even if it is K/O
awindofchange - 9-7-2009 at 02:41 PM
The Guerilla's are somewhat older in design and nowhere near the performance of the newest and latest models...but.... they are still pretty darn good
for their time.
Is it a Guerilla 1 or Guerilla II? The II's had a bit more power and a different sail design but had the strangest tendency to stall out and just
"hang" there in lighter winds - was a real pain in the butt until you figured out how to get them moving again and keep them moving all the time so
they wouldn't stall on you. There were also some mods that were done to them to help fix this problem - main one and easiest was to shorten the main
front strap about 1.5 inches in the center. If it is the older Guerilla 1, great kite, super stable. Both the G1 and G2's were lacking in the
light wind performance but had huge amounts of lift and hangtime in the right winds (usually somewhat stronger than you would imagine for such a large
kite).
Power per power, the Guerilla's were appx. 2-4 meters (1-2 kite sizes) larger than an equivalent sized LEI or today's sized PL's. Meaning that if
most people were out on 13 meter kites, you would want to put up a 15 or 18 meter sized Guerilla for the same power. ***all of this is of course
depending on your skills, board size and rider weight***
Auto zenith and gust absorption is awesome, just like on all Peter Lynn kites. Flight characteristcs - same, the guerilla's aren't really
"park-n-ride" type of kites and produce the best power and performance when you fly them hard.
For 200 bucks - if the kite is in great condition then you can't really go wrong. Especially if it comes with flying lines and control bar.
Hope that helps.
Bladerunner - 9-7-2009 at 05:01 PM
Is there a reason you don't like your Waroos on land ?
Is there a reason that you wouldn't want to use the Arc on water ?
Like AWOC said , arcs have improved from the guerilla's time. It will still have the auto zenith and gust munching that are 2 of the arcs strongest
points.
$200 with bar and lines would be a good enough deal ?
Kent ,
I think I experienced that stalling thing when trying to fly my Syn in too low of wind. What is your method for getting things in motion again ?
WolfWolfee - 9-7-2009 at 05:19 PM
I've flow a lot of different kites through the years and the Guerilla is a beauty. It is one of the most forgiving kites out there and my 18M flies in
8 mph winds and rips me around in the buggy. I know the Scorpion has more speed and lift without a doubt but won't think about taking off till its got
12 to 15 mph winds just to get it off the ground. Skill level is a big one no matter what you fly, take the time and learn your kites IMHO.
awindofchange - 9-7-2009 at 05:39 PM
Usually if you are stalling out the newer ARC's then your brake lines are just to tight (for the current wind conditions). If the kite does stall,
usually one good solid pump on the bar will whip the kite back into shape and start it moving forward again. The pump is more like a jab or yank on
the kite. Once it gets even the slightest bit of forward speed in it then it should regain its composure and start flying again. In the lightest of
winds you usually have to pull the center lines in as short as possible and if it does stall on you, reach up and pump the center lines once or twice
until the kite regains forward motion again and it should be good. Secret to not stalling the kite is to constantly keep the kite moving and be very
fluid in your turns and motions. Don't crank the kite around to tight or you will lose the apparent wind it has created and will stall out. Also,
downturns at the edge of the window makes it much easier to maintain forward drive over upturns.
The same applies to the Guerilla's - 1 & II. The G2 had a rather nasty habit of stalling even if there was (what you would assume) plenty of
wind. Again, a quick jab pump on the bar or yank on the front lines would get the kite moving again and all would be well. The G2 9 meter was not
nearly as bad on the stalling issue and surprisingly, the G2 22 meter flew quite different from all of the other sizes and experienced none of the
stalling behavior. It was actually my favorite sized Guerilla 2 - except that it was so dag-gone huge you needed a landing strip to turn it sometimes
- well, maybe not that big but it was quite slow in the turns....but again, it was a monster sail and that's a ton of ripstop in the air. I always
assumed that the G2 22 meter had a different profile shape than the other sizes which is why it never seemed to have the same negative behavior
characteristics as the others. For lift and float, the Guerilla's were awesome.
Hope this helps.
Bladerunner - 9-7-2009 at 05:56 PM
THANKS!
Tugging the front lines has been getting me out of trouble so far. These arcs are good for teaching me to be less jerky with my motions. The reminder
that downturns are prefered is what I needed to hear ! I haven't been doing that.
WolfWolfee - 9-7-2009 at 09:45 PM
When I have to work a kite like a dog it's totally not worth it.
Your right about sweeping turns with the arcs, and you better learn how to grab those center lines and pull alright...lol
My Guerilla has amazing lift, takes you up quickly but floats beautifully. I am still playing with the settings on the Scorpion, getting the different
feel in different condition thing happening...lol Have a nice set of extensions to play with my lines, always tweaking this and that, making her fly
true. Really have to love auto zenith, no more stakes...lol
I hardly fly any of my fixed bridles anymore. Nice to sit back and have a smoke tied in and watch it munch up the gusts above you..
Long live the Arc's...
acampbell - 10-7-2009 at 06:35 AM
There are so many kite-only deals out there that the bar and lines are arguably worth $200. So if the Guerrilla does not work out to you taste, you
will have learned something and will be ready for the next great ARC deal that hits the market kite-only.