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new sport-kite long jumping

kitejumper - 3-8-2009 at 09:33 PM

hello all, i invented a new sport today--i took the blade 4m hard across the window then sharply upwards and had some 10 to 20 foot long jumps--not much height at all just forward distance--it was easily controllable and predictable--and fun as well--not recommended for noobs or the un-coordinated--winds were about 10-15--- its much easier starting from a crouch position or even sitting down.......

lad - 3-8-2009 at 09:38 PM

Videos, videos, videos...no stories! :spin:

nhlrule56 - 3-8-2009 at 09:44 PM

That's right Lad...without video its just a story! :D Let's see some air...

kitejumper - 3-8-2009 at 09:46 PM

im sorry,man, but i kite alone most of the time without a camera---come up to ohio---i got a bud and im thinking of renting a camera as i'm dying to get a cool vid going.......and u dont need a vid to try this--just keep the kite low across the window and fast then turn fast upwards and forward u shall go

nwsurfwakeskate - 3-8-2009 at 09:50 PM

buy a gopro and wear it when you ride. I have a blast playing with mine.

windows movie maker is all you need to edit the videos :thumbup:

furbowski - 4-8-2009 at 04:29 AM

or just take any decent digicam, position it carefully on your backpack or whatever, and just fill up the card, takes half an hour or so with my cam. Then edit it down to the best dozen jumps or so.

I know what you mean, tho... sweepers, floaters, near-supermans ending with a bit of a loft, with the right wind it's all there with the blade!

Kamikuza - 4-8-2009 at 04:57 AM

First movies of people kite jumping were what you were doing - way back in the 80's :lol: they'd dig a big hole on the beach, lie down in it then zoom the kite and get catapulted out of the holes ... bloody mad Dutchies :ticking:

lad - 4-8-2009 at 06:32 AM

Yep, a cheap, used digicam w/ movie mode from ebay...a mini-tripod from the Dollar Store...built-in Windows Movie Maker - everybody's doin' it!

Here's the rub "...hard across the window then sharply upwards..." means some lightweights might have to be dug in, or held down to keep from, uh, Premature Scuddulation or Supermass Interuptus.

furbowski - 4-8-2009 at 07:02 AM

supermass interuptus??????

not a good one to try and visualize clearly.... (imho)

:bouncy:

kitejumper - 4-8-2009 at 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by nwsurfwakeskate
buy a gopro and wear it when you ride. I have a blast playing with mine.

windows movie maker is all you need to edit the videos :thumbup:


thanx,i'll try it--where can you get a go pro

Jaymz - 4-8-2009 at 11:15 AM

http://www.goprocamera.com/

OlorinZA - 13-8-2009 at 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by furbowski
or just take any decent digicam, position it carefully on your backpack or whatever, and just fill up the card, takes half an hour or so with my cam. Then edit it down to the best dozen jumps or so.


Did this recently. :) Got one or two of the crouching jumps on film...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzJtwRViw8

Kamikuza - 13-8-2009 at 07:32 AM

Hold off on the GoPro till they release the HD version, soon-ish ... :wow:

furbowski - 13-8-2009 at 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by furbowski
or just take any decent digicam, position it carefully on your backpack or whatever, and just fill up the card, takes half an hour or so with my cam. Then edit it down to the best dozen jumps or so.


Did this recently. :) Got one or two of the crouching jumps on film...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzJtwRViw8


hey, just had a look at the vid, gave it a nice friendly rating :thumbup:

just what i was talking about, nicely done.

if you do another consider doing a few pan shots of the beach to mix in for the beginning and the end, detail shots of the wind blowing stuff around also makes the setting come alive. also good for background against opening titles and end credits and the like.

your jumps however are just this side of controllable! the ground -- soft loose sand -- makes all the difference. the wind was sure sweet! but the jumps likely make BR cringe, on hard ground they'd bite way harder!

the other thing is you really need to redirect. I can see from your video that your kite collapses / stalls / luffs after the majority of your jumps. In the long run it's not at all a safe habit. to some extent you're rolling the dice, man, have to say it.

redirecting is simply keeping the kite in the wind window and preferably (for safety's sake esp.) up near the zenith for good loft as you land. The confusing part is that once you leave the ground the physics change and the kite's wind window gets quite a bit bigger, it's possible to take advantage of this to some degree but by the time you hit the ground it's best to have the kite back in the ground-based wind window and heading towards zenith.

you got the basic skill, now it's time to move up in kite size, it all gets easier from here!

sorry if i come on a bit negative but i want to see you keep on flying!

have fun out there...

OlorinZA - 13-8-2009 at 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by furbowski
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Originally posted by furbowski
or just take any decent digicam, position it carefully on your backpack or whatever, and just fill up the card, takes half an hour or so with my cam. Then edit it down to the best dozen jumps or so.


Did this recently. :) Got one or two of the crouching jumps on film...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzJtwRViw8


hey, just had a look at the vid, gave it a nice friendly rating :thumbup:

just what i was talking about, nicely done.

if you do another consider doing a few pan shots of the beach to mix in for the beginning and the end, detail shots of the wind blowing stuff around also makes the setting come alive. also good for background against opening titles and end credits and the like.

I will certainly consider these in future -- this video was a bit of a rush job. I ended up editing it in the middle of a video conference. :no:
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your jumps however are just this side of controllable! the ground -- soft loose sand -- makes all the difference. the wind was sure sweet! but the jumps likely make BR cringe, on hard ground they'd bite way harder!

I definitely use the softness of the sand to cushion some of my landings, and this has led to some sloppiness. It's one of the things I need to work on if I am to upgrade...
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the other thing is you really need to redirect. I can see from your video that your kite collapses / stalls / luffs after the majority of your jumps. In the long run it's not at all a safe habit. to some extent you're rolling the dice, man, have to say it.

redirecting is simply keeping the kite in the wind window and preferably (for safety's sake esp.) up near the zenith for good loft as you land. The confusing part is that once you leave the ground the physics change and the kite's wind window gets quite a bit bigger, it's possible to take advantage of this to some degree but by the time you hit the ground it's best to have the kite back in the ground-based wind window and heading towards zenith.

I have a handle on redirection -- it just wasn't preferable on the day. I'm not sure how to put it other than to describe the wind as providing more horizontal pull than lift. I had to keep the kite fairly low in the window to generate maximum power, and milked it was much as possible before turning, thus the off-balance landings.

I am not used to this type of wind; the speed is easy, but I have done all my other flying with wind that has generated more lift. As a result, I have had extra float and could afford to redirect earlier in the jump. I have to wonder how a Blade will compare to my traction-orientated Rage...

Thanks for the advice. :thumbup:

kitejumper - 13-8-2009 at 02:44 PM

yeah-those longjumps were pretty good--yours are sort of like pendulum long jumps at an angle--i tried sitting or crouching and i kept mine as straight as possible--when my gopro comes in,i'll show u

Bladerunner - 13-8-2009 at 05:53 PM

If I am right the Rage is a buggy engine ? It is designed to pull more than lift.
If I am right that it replaced the Bullet and it is anything like my Bullets watch out. The kite will have the potential to really slam you hard downwind before you know what is happening. You can jump with it but that's not what it is best designed for.

furbowski - 13-8-2009 at 10:28 PM

yeah, with a lifty 3.5 (or my cf 3.2 :frog:) you can get better lift and redirects get a lot more doable / usable.

i've had my dp power 2.5 out in nuking winds and then it's a bit more as you described. that's a slow sled of a traction kite, tho, only fast due to its size. jumps on that are edgy and fast, i've done a few to prove it can be done, and that's that... no need to push that part of the learning curve, eh?

I've flown a rage 2.5 in winds just enough to let me scud (155#) and yes not much lift, fast and twitchy in the turns.

I sure wouldn't feel comfortable doing those jumps, don't get me wrong I'm saying nice stuff but it sure is edgy...

Jack1988 - 20-8-2009 at 10:11 AM

isnt there a record on youtube for the most distance covered horizontay?

Drewculous - 20-8-2009 at 10:34 AM

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isnt there a record on youtube for the most distance covered horizontay?


idk if its the longest, but i lol'd

Jack1988 - 20-8-2009 at 10:57 AM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dqp3dv5-3g[youtube]

Jack1988 - 20-8-2009 at 10:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dqp3dv5-3g
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dqp3dv5-3g[/youtube]

Bladerunner - 20-8-2009 at 03:03 PM

Does it count as a jump when you are simply get yourself tossed down wind , tumble and crash the out of control kite ?????

To me, a jump is something you do in control of yourself and your kite ?

Jack1988 - 20-8-2009 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bladerunner


To me, a jump is something you do in control of yourself and your kite ?


I agree with this

Bladerunner - 20-8-2009 at 08:02 PM

What Kitejumper is doing is pretty much what a kitesurfer will do for a wake style jump. Doing it as He describes isn't crazy. It is the pulling it off in a safe controled manor that people just starting out get confused by. Without landing it and keeping the kite in control you are simply getting tossed down wind. Not much skill or brains required.

Kitejumper, You want to take it up a notch and try a kiteloop, jumping in a similar way. :roll:

kitejumper - 20-8-2009 at 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Bladerunner
What Kitejumper is doing is pretty much what a kitesurfer will do for a wake style jump. Doing it as He describes isn't crazy. It is the pulling it off in a safe controled manor that people just starting out get confused by. Without landing it and keeping the kite in control you are simply getting tossed down wind. Not much skill or brains required.

Kitejumper, You want to take it up a notch and try a kiteloop, jumping in a similar way. :roll:
i agree--controlled being the key word here---i always begin a jumping session VERY slowly--doing very small hops and jumps and building up confidence as i go --by hour 2, a little higher and a bit braver,and then going big by hr 3 or so.......blade,i'll have to try that kiteloop thing-sounds crazy

ragden - 21-8-2009 at 06:29 AM

The only problem I see with this, is that on water, you have a board to plane off the speed with. If you had blades on, or even a landboard, you could safely burn off the speed you will pickup, but without those, the only thing slowing you down when you hit the ground is your feet. I cannot imagine that would be pleasent. Flying through the air is all good, its how to bleed off that speed when you make contact with the ground that worries me.

Having said that, with all that you are doing I am sure you have worked out a system for yourself that works. Not something I would do, but if you are having fun, more power to you. :)

Jack1988 - 21-8-2009 at 07:42 AM

Nice jumps OlorinZA, flexifoils are the dogs rollocks.