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Extreme Rx4 buggy sold by jonesband1998 on ebay - any good?

doneski - 15-9-2009 at 06:37 AM

There are a few buggies on Ebay sold by jonesband1998 that I've never heard of before. Anyone know anything about them. Their website is very basic- almost no info.

BeamerBob - 15-9-2009 at 07:06 AM

Stay away from that seller. He makes knock off products based on other company's R&D. When asked about it, he claims stuff like the big companies ripped him off. The picture further down the listing shows a libre buggy and he doesn't think that is a conflict to show another buggy in the picture. A buyer could think they are getting that cool buggy when they are really getting a knock off of a kite trike. The real one has complaints about quality and durability so a knockoff probably isn't as good.

lunchbox - 15-9-2009 at 08:24 AM

Ditto BB's comments...I bought a kite trike from this seller...long story short...what a piece of crap...it's running good now though...after replacing the seat, new wheels (hubs, bearings, tubes and tires) and getting the front pegs welded because I couldn't find nuts and bolts that would allow me to tighten them enough so they wouldn't move...

The old adage is really true here...you get what you pay for!

Extreme Rx4 kite buggy review

doneski - 15-9-2009 at 03:12 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

I searched but couldn't find anything about this vendor or the buggy. I added the above subject so that anyone else searching for info on the Rx4 buggy will find this posting.

R&D takes time and money. I choose to not deal with people (and countries like China) who rip off designs and don't respect patents and other types of intelectual property.

Bladerunner - 15-9-2009 at 04:09 PM

He used to claim this was a some other buggy but used the same rip off pictures of a Libre? When asked about who designed it he was not straight forward with answers. This is NOT a staright forward dealer or a proven product. Avoid this seller. He has obviously changed the name to side step previous bad press. Search Kite Trike and Romano buggy for previous names.

acampbell - 16-9-2009 at 06:47 AM

Good catch Bobby and all. I see the new name, but when you look at the other stuff he is selling, it's pretty clear he's the same guy. The worst offense is the copy of the HQ Montana 2 where he even uses HQ's own ad copy from their catalog, verbatim!

BeamerBob - 16-9-2009 at 07:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by acampbell
Good catch Bobby and all. I see the new name, but when you look at the other stuff he is selling, it's pretty clear he's the same guy. The worst offense is the copy of the HQ Montana 2 where he even uses HQ's own ad copy from their catalog, verbatim!


Not to mention the graphics on the kite and the same font as on the Montana IV. I enjoyed picking on the guy asking about some news articles about the European kite wins with his Montana knockoff. He dodged the question. He had the audacity to use the word Montana in his product description! Sleezy. Oh, and a PKF member realized he sold the scumbag a Montana which was certainly taken apart and copied to make his kite. No shame at all.

BeamerBob - 16-9-2009 at 07:31 AM

This takes the cake. I was looking at the ebay listing and they have links to 2 "kite forums". I quote them because it looks like they went to the trouble to set up these forums in order to post reviews on their Nova Montana knockoffs and their kite trike buggy knockoff. This is where it gets interesting. I found a post where a guy said he just got his nova 9.5m depower kite and low a behold, HE BOUGHT IT FROM BEAMERBOB! I use that screenname on at least 3 different forums so I guess he figured it would be recognized and lend some credibility to their shell game. Why not just go to market with your own kite via normal channels instead of all this cat and mouse stuff? I was very vocal against him on this forum in the past. He actually became a PKF member posing as a buyer interested in this Nova kite and ended up buying one even though there were none sold on ebay in the same time frame. ALL his posts were in defense of these knockoff copies. Pretty shallow which explains alot. The forum thread that mentions my name is conveniently locked to keep anyone from casting shadows on their sleazy operation.

EDIT: I don't think he made up the story but copied another one from here on PKF. That's why my username popped up.

BeamerBob - 16-9-2009 at 07:37 AM

I looked at another review on an Extreme Apex buggy and that wsa copied from this forum from a post when Ripsessions got his apex. Looks like word for word with some names changed. Yep, the thread is locked. Where is this guy? I'm ready to get a posse together. :ticking: :flaming:

EDIT: He even links to Rips photobucket page to illustrate the assembly.

EDIT 2: Montana III review was copied word for word from a racekites review.

furbowski - 16-9-2009 at 07:40 AM

man, he's back!!!!!!!

the bugger is fearsomely determined, eh?

this slimy little despicable sleazeball of an ebay parasite deserves to have his hard drives nuked.

i'd likely spare his family jewels, tho, he's likely human after all and maybe somebody somewhere loves him, I'd hate to risk breaking that person's heart, unlikely as the prospect might be.

i inquired about this guy a while back, the forum sorted me out, and make no mistake it is indeed the spot of spew involved here.

OK, THAT'S MY INNER TROLL DONE WITH FOR THE DAY!!!!!!

:cool:

Bladerunner - 16-9-2009 at 05:40 PM

HOLY CRAP :evil:

Does Rip' know about this ? That is the same software PKC runs on and I'm sure he posted that review there.
This seems illegal to me ????? :dunno:
A new low for sure!

FloRider - 16-9-2009 at 06:20 PM

Shady. Everything about this seems so shady.

Big Earl - 16-9-2009 at 06:28 PM

That picture of the Libre buggy was tacken off of BMWs website. They used it in an add for a new suv or something

WELDNGOD - 16-9-2009 at 06:46 PM

it's that time of year again . Whatta douchebag!

BeamerBob - 17-9-2009 at 04:09 AM

I don't think anyone actually posted on that "forum". The screennames even look like 1 guys just started coming up with names. There was even one on there called "BeamBob" as a member. I recognize the text from almost every post I looked at. Most threads are locked so you can't ruin the illusion they have created. They couldn't review on a real forum because they couldn't control the replies that dismissed their stuff for what it is. The conditions under how you join are very strict mainly stating that they can pull your post if it says anything bad or stuff they don't like. All the posts were late spring and early summer. None before and none after.

acampbell - 17-9-2009 at 04:39 AM

Potemkin Village

BeamerBob - 17-9-2009 at 05:16 AM

In the purest definition.

Bladerunner - 17-9-2009 at 04:17 PM

I notice he rips off most of our names and twists them around.

I have never heard of anyone using Roadrunner as a kite name ? I'm assuming that is my ripped off name.

How does a person inform Ebay of these types of things?

ripsessionkites - 17-9-2009 at 04:26 PM

lol ... cool im famous "ripviper" from a spammer. NOT

wtf, can we sue now?

thanks for bring this to my attention.

acampbell - 17-9-2009 at 05:25 PM

did you see the PTW Cougar II Buggy Review? Where was that copied from?

furbowski - 17-9-2009 at 06:40 PM

That's bibbler from racekites writing the original review above.

popeyethewelder - 17-9-2009 at 10:51 PM

lol, is this guy for real or what....I have just sent Bibbler a copy of this...

Kamikuza - 17-9-2009 at 11:05 PM

... perhaps he works for Pansh? :D

Bladerunner - 18-9-2009 at 06:41 AM

Of course all of the reviews are ripped off of other sites.

We need to be carefull.

He found out about us do to GOOGLE and such. If his sites get too much traffic his plan will work. the 1st thing to come up will no longer be links to us discussing his stuff anymore . :dunno:

interesting

kitebuggylover - 14-10-2009 at 03:13 PM

i wouldn't buy off him by the sound of it

dylanj423 - 14-10-2009 at 05:56 PM

so what everyone is saying here is that KYSON USA IS A RIPOFF?? this guy is in the houston area?? hilarious... he is selling knockoff buggies and kites, and being dishonest about other things, too, like ink and supplies...

i wonder how you decide to cheat people out of money for kites and ink?? its a weird duo... i hope this thread gets picked up by google when people search for kyson usa... they can read for themselves that the people that run kyson usa are ripping off images, reviews, and peoples ID's to sell their own crappy products...

i did a search for kyson usa, and found a lot of people complaining about this guys claims... what a douchebag...

dylanj423 - 14-10-2009 at 05:58 PM

apparently the address is an apartment complex... and its a really bad one, with claims of having a slumlord!!!

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=fi...

its gotta be the same guy

All out war between powerkiteforum.com & me

Jason1291 - 16-10-2009 at 10:57 AM

It looks like there is an all our war between powerkiteforum.com and me.

This whole thing is starting to be fun.

Your forum is being exposed to the world's largest online site and it is not very positive. Buyers can form their own opinions about this forum and your sponsors will do the same.

BeamerBob - 16-10-2009 at 11:51 AM

Hello Jason or Jonesband or whichever name you are able to use this week before your ways catch up with your names. Are these even real Flexifoil and Peter Lynn products? Or did they rip off your design again like you said HQ did with your european contest winning NOVA? (I never did find any news articles on those big wins BTW). It's funny that HQ is coming out with their 5th revision of the Montana. How many revisions are there of the NOVA? Oh. None huh? I would be thrilled for your potential customers to come evaluate PKF as well as that shell forum you created copying others reviews and comments from real forums. Any discerning person will quickly notice that your fake forum was only "posted" to for about a 2 week period with most threads closed so real people can't mess up the facade. How hard would it be to just earn an honest living with the effort you have put into running your cheat scam?

kitejumper - 16-10-2009 at 01:01 PM

well well well.......its our old buddy jason!! get a life loser!!!:thumbdown:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::megan::megan::megan::moon::moon::moon::moon::moon:

dylanj423 - 16-10-2009 at 01:27 PM

i just reported all of his name brand ripoff kites to ebay.... maybe that will shut him up for a moment

burritobandit - 16-10-2009 at 02:32 PM

these are the best threads :roll:

WELDNGOD - 17-10-2009 at 06:23 PM

aw man, what are we gonna do without all of our sponsers?
Dang, I was hopin for PL arc too. :mad:

AD72 - 17-10-2009 at 08:03 PM

How are you gentlemen !!
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!
You have no chance to survive make your time.

WELDNGOD - 17-10-2009 at 08:33 PM

4Q HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Maven454 - 18-10-2009 at 04:18 AM

Personally I'm thinking he's just a troll looking for attention.

acampbell - 18-10-2009 at 05:27 AM

$1,500 defective Montana, huh? I guess I'm next on the libel parade.

Bladerunner - 18-10-2009 at 08:35 AM

Looks like you are todays fraud victim Angus. Now it is your shop .

This idiot just doesn't get it. He thinks that you are a sponsor or something. He doesn't at all understsnd the concept of good , giving people actaully doing something out of the goodness of their heart.

I have already re-reported his newest victim of his slander game.

I suppose he must have given up on sales and is all about revenge now ? A deperate man ! :crazy:

Maven454 - 18-10-2009 at 08:36 AM

$1500 for a defective Montana makes sense. He doesn't want it to sell, if it sells he can't use it to slander people.

flexiblade - 18-10-2009 at 09:28 AM

Hey Jason - I'm curious to why you started all this - you're going to get nothing but a landslide of negative attention from ebay over this and the links you have to this forum will do nothing but let other people that may have been interested in your products (as naive as that would be) see what a bad rep you have here and elsewhere because of the shoddy way you do business and the crappy products you represent. Not to mention throwing around the fraudulent use of the Federal Bureau of Investigation may end up actually getting you in some real trouble - they will throw on the multiple copy write infringements later. I just don't get it?

Bladerunner - 18-10-2009 at 09:38 AM

I am guessing that a year or 2 ago he sent an email to the FBI making some stupid claim about this site and probably it's percieved ( by him ) sponsors. They sent a message saying they recieved his email and now he thinks it is an investigation.

I pity you folks down there if your FBI is worried about somebody like Jonesband 1998 or any of the family oriented content on this site. .

If you can't beat em join em.
Here is an official invitation to bring your buggy ( by any name ) to NABX and meet us all on the dry lake Jonesy ! :bigok:

flexiblade - 18-10-2009 at 10:42 AM

That's a great idea - all this negativity can go away if you (jason) would attend the next NABX or any kiting event and show off your wares and let us be blown away by your hardware in person.

Maven454 - 18-10-2009 at 10:49 AM

Or we could lynch him... j/k.

WELDNGOD - 18-10-2009 at 02:25 PM

or a drag.............................:wee:

mougl - 18-10-2009 at 03:16 PM

Hey Jones,

I've seen your buggy on Ebay countless times, and those "Montana" kites. Tell you what, I have absolutely 0 buggy exp. but I'd like to race you at JIBE. You fly your "Amazing Montana Kite" and your "Seriously awesome buggy" and I'll use my Twister II 5.6 or my Viper 2.6 and a shopping cart from Publix. You beat me, I'll buy everything you bring. Surely you can beat a total noob with your superb gear?

rocfighter - 28-10-2009 at 10:37 AM

Well it has been 12 days since Jason replied to all of your statements. I was hoping to see another brilliant come back from him. But he seems to have been banned for breaking some rules. Although it says he is on line now. Very odd.

BeamerBob - 28-10-2009 at 10:52 AM

He'll be back with another name and in his naivety will show us who he is in short order.

acampbell - 28-10-2009 at 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mougl
Hey Jones,

I've seen your buggy on Ebay countless times, and those "Montana" kites. Tell you what, I have absolutely 0 buggy exp. but I'd like to race you at JIBE. You fly your "Amazing Montana Kite" and your "Seriously awesome buggy" and I'll use my Twister II 5.6 or my Viper 2.6 and a shopping cart from Publix. You beat me, I'll buy everything you bring. Surely you can beat a total noob with your superb gear?


No don't encourage him to come to JIBE!!! Race me in the shopping cart and I'll let you win! :roll:

rocfighter - 30-10-2009 at 04:53 AM

I see on the "For Sale" site there are a long list of E-Bay sales shut down. The name is PKF. Is this our freind again?

rocfighter - 30-10-2009 at 04:59 AM

Hello again, My bad.
I guess not enough coffee yet! PKF "Power Kite Forum" :smilegrin:
Off to the coffee pot will be back!
Dave.