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landsailer forum(s)

revpaul - 21-4-2010 at 11:23 AM

OK,
i suddenly have a strong interest in landsailers.
I have browsed but can not find some forums. Are any of you guys aware of any good landsailing forums?
i need the obligatory what type size and all that.
I think i need a smaller unit so I have narrowed choices down to Blowkart or Sirocco. Being a buggier i like the foot steering idea (al'a Sirocco)better but have no idea what is actually more practical in real life. I've never seen a cart in person. I've seen vids if the Blokart pilots switching hands from steering to sail rope and i see the cart jut/veer off somewhat. The Sirocco models look quite a bit more robust.
I've seen a Zooter but it seems it's just a standard Flexi bug with mast attached to downtube. I am concerned about it's overall robustness.
Paul

indigo_wolf - 21-4-2010 at 11:44 AM

Kent posted this a couple of days ago:
http://www.nalsa.org/

Forum (Yahoo Group) is the 3rd link from the bottom.

There are other forums in the UK, NZ, etc.... if you Google "blokart forum".

ATB,
Sam

rocfighter - 21-4-2010 at 12:24 PM

I built a land sailer about 6 years ago. It was great fun when I still had a place to run it. But the park started giving me crap about using the parking lots to run it. Not enouph wind down low on the fields. I consider renewing it now and then and giving it a run. It was fun :wee:

bugymangp - 21-4-2010 at 01:05 PM

you should look up just for the hell of it.
rc landsailing.
i have a blokart and i wanted to make an rc one. the rc ones are fun. i made about 6 of them and they fun in parking lots. the cops don`t give me a hard time playing with the rc one in parking lots but the blokart is another story.

acampbell - 21-4-2010 at 01:27 PM

We had some Zooters show up at Jibe last year and everyone that tried one liked it. It was kind of funny because they were apologizing for liking it like they were caught cheating of their spouse... "Oh no, don't get me wrong, I still like my kite and buggy..."

Even my wife, a non athletic and non kite person said "Gee, I could like that...".

revpaul - 21-4-2010 at 02:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bugymangp
you should look up just for the hell of it.
rc landsailing.
i have a blokart and i wanted to make an rc one. the rc ones are fun. i made about 6 of them and they fun in parking lots. the cops don`t give me a hard time playing with the rc one in parking lots but the blokart is another story.

when u use Blokart how do you like hand steering as opposed to foot steering if you can imagine?
Have you ever seen/used a Sirocco?
-Zooter- maybe i'm not remembering right. i've seen Blokart tip overs and I'd like to be strapped in and secure rather than hanging loose in a Zooter. I imagine the Zooter is quite maneuverable but without ever seeing/riding one i think safer way to go is Blokart/Sirocco.
Plus i'll like to eventually double up with wife or kid.
NALSA link not working.

rocfighter - 21-4-2010 at 03:00 PM

Mine ishand steering as well. I think I would hve made it foot steer if I had thought of it at the time.

awindofchange - 21-4-2010 at 05:42 PM

Get a Manta. You'll never regret it. I recommend the Twinjammer myself as it is bigger, more stable and you can take someone with you. If you can't find a Twinjammer you can get the Windjammer which is the single seat model. Twinjammers are extremely rare to find used cuz nobody ever wants to sell them. Windjammers come and go pretty regularly. Of all the sailors I have used I like the Manta's the best. If you want to purchase new, give me a call and I am sure we can work something out. :)

revpaul - 21-4-2010 at 07:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by awindofchange
Get a Manta. You'll never regret it. I recommend the Twinjammer myself as it is bigger, more stable and you can take someone with you. If you can't find a Twinjammer you can get the Windjammer which is the single seat model. Twinjammers are extremely rare to find used cuz nobody ever wants to sell them. Windjammers come and go pretty regularly. Of all the sailors I have used I like the Manta's the best. If you want to purchase new, give me a call and I am sure we can work something out. :)

Hi Kent
i read that the Mantas are really great quality units but are best suited to large areas and not so much for tight quarters. of course i really wouldn't know how valid that claim is because of not having seen/passengered/piloted any type of landsailer other than online pics/vids? i'll most definitely be in tighter quarters but i do want the option of having passenger seat.
of course i'm looking at everything in this early stage of the game and i am more than happy to hear as many informed opinions about the game as i can get. being where i am, informed opinions are pretty much the only thing i have to go by when making purchase decisions for these crazy hobby stuffs i do.
i've already been to your site and seen your manta images.
BTW the images of the manta at your site, are they current?
i ask because the sails of the Blokarts/Zooters/Sirocco all have a more modern shiny mylar space-age look to them while the manta's sails look like...well not like the others. i realize it's possible the shinier plastic sails attributes could be completely superficial and not have any VMG adavantages over a manta sail.
oh, i forgot to mention that portability of the smaller units is nice.
Paul

jellis - 21-4-2010 at 07:51 PM

Look at the sails of these land sailers. One is a sail board sail, one is a bed sheet, one is a cross over from a sail broad. Being a catamaran racer for years here is some of the things I look for. Do the battens flow in line with the wind, is the boom a piece of equipment or a shower curtain rod, is the frame wide enough, is it a strong frame, can you add brakes, do the sails come in different sizes for different wind strengths, can you add adjustable batten caps, are the sails design up to date, do they have a pod to cover you from the rain or cold, do they have a side car for your kids, can you tune your land sailer with different mast sections, can you fit your land sailer in a bag that fits in your car, does it have a seat belt, are you in a protected cage, these are just a few of the BloKart advantages.
Why yes I do sell BloKarts and one could be in your trunk. Call me and join the BloKart afternoon racing club in your area.

Krohn1999 - 21-4-2010 at 09:43 PM

I see you already have a Super truck buggy, why not just get a sail kit for it. Libre offers sail kits and sails in many sizes.
I personally have a Elliot Virus with a sail kit and it is way more stable that a Blokart, and If I need a second buggy I take the kit off and away we go.
I have been playing with the idea of making a sail kit for my Dragster but havn't had time yet.
If you need more info let me know.
Chris

revpaul - 21-4-2010 at 09:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jellis
Look at the sails of these land sailers. One is a sail board sail, one is a bed sheet, one is a cross over from a sail broad. Being a catamaran racer for years here is some of the things I look for. Do the battens flow in line with the wind, is the boom a piece of equipment or a shower curtain rod, is the frame wide enough, is it a strong frame, can you add brakes, do the sails come in different sizes for different wind strengths, can you add adjustable batten caps, are the sails design up to date, do they have a pod to cover you from the rain or cold, do they have a side car for your kids, can you tune your land sailer with different mast sections, can you fit your land sailer in a bag that fits in your car, does it have a seat belt, are you in a protected cage, these are just a few of the BloKart advantages.
Why yes I do sell BloKarts and one could be in your trunk. Call me and join the BloKart afternoon racing club in your area.


Hi Jon,
I'll be checking out your site (again)

I wish there was a Blokart (or any type of Dirtsailing) club in my area.
A couple of Qs...you buggy/steer with feet. How do you like steering landsailer with one hand while operating sheetline with other and switching hands when need be? Would you prefer simply foot steering? Can Blokart be 'easily' configured with foot steering or should it not be attempted by design? The laminated mylar sails look way cool but how durable are they in my winter season/climate (not that i can ride on ice because ice is always covered in 1-3 feet of snow). Can you comment on robustness of a Blokart vs Sirocco?
thnx,
Paul

revpaul - 21-4-2010 at 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Krohn1999
I see you already have a Super truck buggy, why not just get a sail kit for it. Libre offers sail kits and sails in many sizes.
I personally have a Elliot Virus with a sail kit and it is way more stable that a Blokart, and If I need a second buggy I take the kit off and away we go.
I have been playing with the idea of making a sail kit for my Dragster but havn't had time yet.
If you need more info let me know.
Chris

I thought I remembered seeing a larger than my Libre buggy that was to be used for mast/sail conversion. I will check out Libre's site again but I do like a rollcage-type/seatbelt safety system too.
thanx Chris,
Paul

Krohn1999 - 22-4-2010 at 03:13 AM

I have a seatbelt system on my Virus when using a sail, I've tipped it over before and I didn't hit the ground, I have a 150cm rear axle with Raptor/Cadkat wheels.
I almost always have at least a 1meter larger sail then the blocarts mounted up.
You have a very stabil ride and can get really high speed. They have had the virus going around 100kmh tipped up on 2 wheels.
check out the Libre page you won't regret it.
I am trying to sell my Virus so I can switch over to Libre (they have more sails avialable and a stiffer mast)
Chris

bugymangp - 22-4-2010 at 09:36 AM

i guess your question got answered.
but the main reason why i got a blokart. is its small size.
i don`t have alot of room in my house.
hand steering don`t bother me. most of the time i just lock in the sail by a cleat and only remove the rope when i`m going turn or stop.
i upgraded mine with alot of boat sailing stuff from west marine. pulleys,ropes cleats, etc.

revpaul - 22-4-2010 at 10:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bugymangp
i guess your question got answered.
but the main reason why i got a blokart. is its small size.
i don`t have alot of room in my house.
hand steering don`t bother me. most of the time i just lock in the sail by a cleat and only remove the rope when i`m going turn or stop.
i upgraded mine with alot of boat sailing stuff from west marine. pulleys,ropes cleats, etc.

i'm guessing you are locking in the sail because you are not requiring turning very often because you have large AtoB distance.
i thinks it's going to be a BloKart or Sirocco. I don't think using steering 'wheel' will spoil fun factor. i am just (over) thinking about (foot steering) instinct kicking in and making for an odd feeling once in a while.
like covering a non-existing clutch pedal while braking in an automatic vehicle.
now it's find out if new or used. i don't know what to be aware of if looking at used.

jellis - 22-4-2010 at 06:49 PM

Revpaul
"I wish there was a Blokart (or any type of Dirtsailing) club in my area."
WAIT THERE WILL BE SOON
"A couple of Qs...you buggy/steer with feet. How do you like steering landsailer with one hand while operating sheetline with other and switching hands when need be?"
I race catamarans steering with my hand and sheeting with the other my hand. Feels natural to me.
"Would you prefer simply foot steering?"
I have more input with hand steering.
" Can Blokart be 'easily' configured with foot steering or should it not be attempted by design? "
I hear some talk about foot steering before they try it but afterwards that thought is forgotten.
"The laminated mylar sails look way cool but how durable are they in my winter season/climate (not that i can ride on ice because ice is always covered in 1-3 feet of snow). "
Lots of sailors use them on the ice and I have not heard of any complaints.
"Can you comment on robustness of a Blokart vs Sirocco?"
I can tell you the BloKart was designed for land sailing and is not a compromised kite buggy. Buy the best buggy and then buy the best BloKart.
Jon

revpaul - 22-4-2010 at 09:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Krohn1999
I have a seatbelt system on my Virus when using a sail, I've tipped it over before and I didn't hit the ground, I have a 150cm rear axle with Raptor/Cadkat wheels.
I almost always have at least a 1meter larger sail then the blocarts mounted up.
You have a very stabil ride and can get really high speed. They have had the virus going around 100kmh tipped up on 2 wheels.
check out the Libre page you won't regret it.
I am trying to sell my Virus so I can switch over to Libre (they have more sails avialable and a stiffer mast)
Chris

re-visited Libre's site. couple of cool looking monster buggies(Protask and Expidition) and stuff. The Beachrunner landsailers look the part. I seen the re-tasked buggies but I haven't a clue about anything related to Landsailing except what you guys say.
You say it's fine and dandy piece of kit and Jon says it's compromised buggy(or he might be talking about the Sirocco cart?).
So far I am getting very ramped up about a Landsailer.
Thanks again Chris
Paul

revpaul - 22-4-2010 at 09:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jellis
"Can you comment on robustness of a Blokart vs Sirocco?"
I can tell you the BloKart was designed for land sailing and is not a compromised kite buggy. Buy the best buggy and then buy the best BloKart.
Jon

Sorry if I am being a pest here Jon but is that comment directed at the Sirocco models in particular or the re-tasked buggy models?

Paul

PrairieWind - 22-4-2010 at 10:18 PM

The blokart distributor for Canada is in Swift Current, not too too far away. I found an article about a guy in Lethbridge getting into the blokart stuff (via Swift Current). Hopefully this long link works
www.lethsuntimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=v...

revpaul - 23-4-2010 at 08:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PrairieWind
The blokart distributor for Canada is in Swift Current, not too too far away. I found an article about a guy in Lethbridge getting into the blokart stuff (via Swift Current). Hopefully this long link works
www.lethsuntimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=v...

i got an email from BlokartUSA stating the distributor in SwiftCurrent, had signed a few dealers but had a personal crisis. So in effect there is no distributor in Canada other than AtlanticWinds out east east east.
Escapesports.ca emailed me saying they have one Blokart (and it is fun) but haven't heard from distributor in a while. I tried contacting the Lethbridge fella. no word yet.
Sirocco contacted me and said there was a boat in Edmonton but the owner worked over seas and may not be around. i hope i can get a look at a landsailer sometime soon.
Paul

jellis - 23-4-2010 at 12:32 PM

Paul I hope I didn't direct the opinion at anyone specific brand. I also have these cross over land sailer's from Libre, Beach Runner, V-Max II Basis, Truck II Basis, and the Protask with sails. I just prefer a purpose built machine designed for one thing with no compromise. I am sure these are well made landsailers or Libre would not carry them.
I chose to carry BloKart in my shop because of the quality, design, price value, and the organization in the states that continues to organize events and gatherings for our benefit. BloKart also has a distribution center in Atlanta for quick response in case your ran over it with your car and it is July. LOL

awindofchange - 23-4-2010 at 01:07 PM

I still say buy a Manta. :)

jellis - 23-4-2010 at 03:12 PM

You would.

revpaul - 23-4-2010 at 03:56 PM

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
decisions decisions
it turns out there may be Sirocco (not sure which model) owner here in Edmonton and EscapeSports in Saskatoon (4 hour drive) has a BloKart Pro.
I might be able to touch/see/smell one of these units yet.
Thank you to all for your help.
Manta Twinjammer would be at top of list if I lived in your back yard Kent.
there is lot to consider...
I am still in tight quarters (football fields).
max maneuverable cart from Sirocco is the Sprint. It 'seems' more robust than BK but does not have second seat capability like the BK.
The steering T-bar of the BK looks like it could create a serious trip to dentist for reworking of one's chiklets.

Paul

kiteboyza - 26-4-2010 at 08:04 PM

I know the Blokart man in the UK
http://www.westonwindsport.co.uk/

hope this helps
cheers
Dieter

pokitetrash - 28-4-2010 at 06:51 AM

I bought two Blokarts after trying a Zooter out--(Zooter seemed kind of flimsy, almost exactly like my old Rockville Kite Trike with a sail:thumbdown:. I studdied up on Sirocco and Manta, both fine sailers. I noted how robust the Sirocco is and I fealt like the Manta sails look a bit uncool I guess, but I'm sure work fine although I didn't see any sail size options. Can you use the Twin Jammer sail on the single seat? I've recommended friends who want a larger sailer to check out the Manta. The Blokart fits great in the trunk if thats what you need and I've flipped mine dozens of times with no damage except the bending of the side supports when you fall against it or climb out upside down! They bend right back in place and a pretty cheap to replace if you need to. Lots of upgrades available.

I have 3m, 4, 5.5 meter sails (Extra 3m stage 2 sail for sale if anyone is interested.)

I didn't want the hand steering at first either. The issue really is the style of sailer, really the length. The short Zooter is REALLY unstable at high speeds like a small kite buggy. Wants to spin out. If you get a sailer with a longer front end, it's much more stable so feet steering vs. handle steering is not an issue. I can let go of my steering at 30 mph and handle the sheet line. But, usually if you're going that fast, you have a pretty steady sheet line tension anyway. I like to have the Blokart compactness to store and haul arround but I'd definately look at the Manta for it's size and comfort if I was to want a new sailer.

revpaul - 28-4-2010 at 07:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pokitetrash
I bought two Blokarts after trying a Zooter out--(Zooter seemed kind of flimsy, almost exactly like my old Rockville Kite Trike with a sail:thumbdown:. I studdied up on Sirocco and Manta, both fine sailers. I noted how robust the Sirocco is and I fealt like the Manta sails look a bit uncool I guess, but I'm sure work fine although I didn't see any sail size options. Can you use the Twin Jammer sail on the single seat? I've recommended friends who want a larger sailer to check out the Manta. The Blokart fits great in the trunk if thats what you need and I've flipped mine dozens of times with no damage except the bending of the side supports when you fall against it or climb out upside down! They bend right back in place and a pretty cheap to replace if you need to. Lots of upgrades available.

I have 3m, 4, 5.5 meter sails (Extra 3m stage 2 sail for sale if anyone is interested.)

I didn't want the hand steering at first either. The issue really is the style of sailer, really the length. The short Zooter is REALLY unstable at high speeds like a small kite buggy. Wants to spin out. If you get a sailer with a longer front end, it's much more stable so feet steering vs. handle steering is not an issue. I can let go of my steering at 30 mph and handle the sheet line. But, usually if you're going that fast, you have a pretty steady sheet line tension anyway. I like to have the Blokart compactness to store and haul arround but I'd definately look at the Manta for it's size and comfort if I was to want a new sailer.

I do appreciate what Blokart does to put Landsailing on the map and hosting/organizing events and such. I do like the trick stuff Blokarts offers but I am quite remote (living in the capital of Alberta !?! an all) where I am so robustness is a very overriding consideration.
Thanks again....

WolfWolfee - 28-4-2010 at 11:10 AM

dealt with Escapesports great guys and cheap shipping to Alberta

revpaul - 28-4-2010 at 11:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WolfWolfee
dealt with Escapesports great guys and cheap shipping to Alberta

yep. I've been in contact with Jonathan. i would have drove the 4 hours to see him and the landsailer.

pokitetrash - 29-4-2010 at 08:50 AM

Hey, I also have this in "For Sale" but since were on the rare subject of landsailers, I'm selling an extra 3 meter yellow Stage 2 Blokart sail. It's in good condition. Couple of small stains on it but I never really tried to clean it. I never used it - Not enough wind for my big butt inland. There's a pic in the For Sale posting.

*UPDATE*
No mast sections are included as those typically come with the Blokart except when you upgrade to a larger sail, you get additonal mast sections.

It comes with pulley whip, battons, sheet line and boom. (Stage 2). $450 shipped anywhere in the world, standard mail.

revpaul - 29-4-2010 at 09:18 AM

saw it pkt.
i'm most likely going with the Sirocco Sprint. will your sail rig up to Sirocco?
thnx,
paul

pokitetrash - 29-4-2010 at 09:56 AM

Not sure how the Sirocco is rigged. I think the bottom of the sail is curved and is attached to the boom on the Sirocco? The boom is sort of internal in the Blokart sail but can be easily removed.

Ask the dealer. I talked to him last year when I bought my Blokarts and he said you can use other wind surfer sails with some mods so you might be able to use the Blokart sail without the BK boom.

I'll make you a better deal on the sail if you CAN'T use it !! :lol:

pokitetrash - 1-5-2010 at 02:09 PM

Anyone who is interested in trying out a Blokart to experience landsailing, I'll be bringing both of mine to JIBE this year along with my buggy stuff. I'll need some Sherpas for sure...
I'll be there Thursday and leaving Sunday night so I welcome people to play with them. Don't worry if you're a buggy pilot, it's not like your cheating on your kite, it's just getting a little strange...;)

BTW, 3 Meter Blokart sail in "For Sale". Price dropped to $300 shipped, if anyone is interested.

pokitetrash - 4-10-2010 at 01:39 PM

Hey, no one's posted on this in a while so I thought I'd see who's still playing. When I'm not buggying, I'm landsailing. Bringing 1, maybe 2 Blokarts to Fall WBB! You can't help but giggle like an idiot when you ride 30+ mph with a full sail.

I still feel like I'm cheating on my buggy though.

revpaul - 4-10-2010 at 02:25 PM

I did go with the Sirocco Sprint (4.2m ,5.2m) w/upgraded large tires and front fork.
After spending a few good (high wind) sessions 'Landsailing' I'll say it's a pretty cool ride. Just point, shoot, and not to worry about kite/lines contacting all the field "junk" i have to contend with.
Even with only about 10 hours of (decent/good wind) riding under my belt I say that using a boat set up with hand steering would be fine as I often find myself using just one hand at a time on the sheet line anyhow (as the other is sometimes hangin on to a mast brace :lol: )
I think I'm going to need a 6.?m sail. My 5.2m sail does not really make 'fun' until about 20kp/h (on grass and I'm 185 ish). I think I had the 4.2m in winds(gusts) up to 45-50 kp/h (according to weather channel at least) and the situation was nowhere near "hairy". A buggy with a 3m kite would be a different story (in my cramped quarters). Can't imagine winds needed for 3(ish)m sails on grass.

*I got a call from Sirocco(Daniel) stating there is going to be a Landsailing 'thing' at Ivanpah Nov 1,2,and 3. Not sure if it's all manufactures or just Sirocco. I'd like to see(pilot) a Blokart. If they can handle the #@%$#!'n abuse I ride on then I wouldn't be opposed to having one here. In the back of my uninformed mind I do think they are light duty (hard pack sand/asphalt) though. I'd sure like to be surprised though as they do pack down well to travel (flight) with.

*I'd like to add another dirtboat to my collection but I'd def like to trade/sell some kites/buggy(s) to offset cost(s) especially cuz I know the buggy and kites are not going to get use much anymore.
Paul

pokitetrash - 4-10-2010 at 05:39 PM

Rev, I have the 4m and 5.5m for my Blokarts and I usually use the 5.5 and it hauls my big 225lb butt no sweat on short polo field grass in anything over a steady 12 mph. 15+ and I'm cruising on 2 wheels. I can use the 4m for great performance in 18+. I've never used my 3m. I've used it for my 12 year old son on a nukin' day. I can tell you, Blokarts are pretty tough despite the thinner tubing. I like Sirocco for the beefyness. I've flipped mine going 30+ and bent the mast support side tube with my fat ass (the one I hold on to also..;)) but that's it. It bends right back. After a few crashes, it all still looks good. I'd like to try a Sirocco myself, but it's tough to beat the portability of the Blokart. The other positive is there are tons of upgrades and spares available. Downside is the cost of a sail. 5.5m with optional Ultra Carbon base sections was over $1100. Normally it would have been around $895 or something like that. I'd like the foot steering too but the ones I've tried (Zooter) have a short wheel base and are pretty unstable at high speed like a small buggy but it makes for great tricking. The Sprint seemed kind of short too compared to the stretch of the bigger Sirocco or Blokart. How's the handling of yours? In the end, I guess it's a toss up of how portable you need it.

Like I said, I have 2, dont "NEED" both and unless I get my kids more involved with it, one of them is going to turn into a kite or cash. I'll let you know if I decide to sell one. Might be soon after WBB. I'm bringing both up there and I'll see how much use I 'll get out of them both..

revpaul - 4-10-2010 at 10:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pokitetrash
Rev, I have the 4m and 5.5m for my Blokarts and I usually use the 5.5 and it hauls my big 225lb butt no sweat on short polo field grass in anything over a steady 12 mph. 15+ and I'm cruising on 2 wheels. I can use the 4m for great performance in 18+. I've never used my 3m. I've used it for my 12 year old son on a nukin' day. I can tell you, Blokarts are pretty tough despite the thinner tubing. I like Sirocco for the beefyness. I've flipped mine going 30+ and bent the mast support side tube with my fat ass (the one I hold on to also..;)) but that's it. It bends right back. After a few crashes, it all still looks good. I'd like to try a Sirocco myself, but it's tough to beat the portability of the Blokart. The other positive is there are tons of upgrades and spares available. Downside is the cost of a sail. 5.5m with optional Ultra Carbon base sections was over $1100. Normally it would have been around $895 or something like that. I'd like the foot steering too but the ones I've tried (Zooter) have a short wheel base and are pretty unstable at high speed like a small buggy but it makes for great tricking. The Sprint seemed kind of short too compared to the stretch of the bigger Sirocco or Blokart. How's the handling of yours? In the end, I guess it's a toss up of how portable you need it.

Like I said, I have 2, dont "NEED" both and unless I get my kids more involved with it, one of them is going to turn into a kite or cash. I'll let you know if I decide to sell one. Might be soon after WBB. I'm bringing both up there and I'll see how much use I 'll get out of them both..


225 eh?! well that speaks well for the BKs.
i'm 5'10-ish so leg room never is an issue. The Sprint's down tube is easily adjustable. To house the large turf tire I have an upgraded (large) front fork though and i'm guessing that the extra width of the fork does effect the turning radius. I don't think I'm qualified to comment on handling being that I only rode one boat and not very much TITS(time in the saddle). All's i can say is it sure is fun and less hassle than a kite/buggy combo (for me and my tight quarters). I've done a lot of power slides with counter steering input and a lot of two wheeled sailing in my short time. Haven't tipped her over yet. I don't know if that all means that the boat handles well, if I'm a "natural talent", or, if I'm a puss.
i've appreciated "everything" BK has to offer from the start and now that i actually have a dirt boat i can appreciate more. been looking at BKs again lately and am wondering if the "comp" is any more "robust" than the "Pro" model or are the two same spec with one(Pro) just being more resistant to rust?
-BTW is it just me or did prices on anything/everything BK go up huge?
iirc when i initially started my landsailer quest BKs prices did not stand out as they do know. At the time the price difference(s) between a Sirocco and a BK was hardly a considerable factor.
ie. i seem to recall a Shadow(side car attachment) was about $200 less than what it's listed for now.

pokitetrash - 5-10-2010 at 04:56 AM

Don't know if the BK prices went up, I bought all my stuff a couple years ago and haven't needed any parts in a while. The tipping over came from trying to learn to jibe and not handling the sail timing properly (sheet in/out) or from a huge gust that slammed me over before I could react on the sheet rope. Once, my buddy and I were using both of mine and riding side by side when a rain and wind squall came out of nowhere and lit us up faster than we could handle and tossed us over at the same time like a nuclear blast. I'm sure we were going about 40 plus before we lost it. We were both using suicide knots on the sheet line so we couldn't unload the sail. I don't do that anymore unless I'm somewhere like a beach with steady & predictable winds. We both got lumpped up on that one and bent the crap out of the mast supports.

BeamerBob - 5-10-2010 at 05:05 AM

Dirt Boat :lol: that's funny.

I came over here to see what you guys were up to. Chris your buggy has hurt feelings every time to take out that "other girl".

pokitetrash - 5-10-2010 at 05:46 AM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Dirt Boat :lol: that's funny.

I came over here to see what you guys were up to. Chris your buggy has hurt feelings every time to take out that "other girl".


Nope. My Buggy likes to watch!:o
Sometimes, I tow the buggy with the Blokart. Ok, I've said too much...

revpaul - 5-10-2010 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by pokitetrash
Don't know if the BK prices went up, I bought all my stuff a couple years ago and haven't needed any parts in a while. The tipping over came from trying to learn to jibe and not handling the sail timing properly (sheet in/out) or from a huge gust that slammed me over before I could react on the sheet rope. Once, my buddy and I were using both of mine and riding side by side when a rain and wind squall came out of nowhere and lit us up faster than we could handle and tossed us over at the same time like a nuclear blast. I'm sure we were going about 40 plus before we lost it. We were both using suicide knots on the sheet line so we couldn't unload the sail. I don't do that anymore unless I'm somewhere like a beach with steady & predictable winds. We both got lumpped up on that one and bent the crap out of the mast supports.

wow i can imagine...
when you say "suicide knot" i'm guessing you had sail sheeted to the max and sheet line 'tied off' at that point and not simply having the very end of sheet line half hitched to a mast base to keep it from dragging/catching an axle/tire.
BTW have a google at some current BK prices and see if your memory isn't jogged as to wow those are higher than i paid.
****I'm not claiming that their prices are not fair or are too high. Just thinS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n they went up very substantially recently.****

pokitetrash - 5-10-2010 at 01:11 PM

Suicide knot is a half hitch in the end of the line, tied off to the mast support or hanging free, to keep the end of the sheet rope from pulling thru the pulley on the mast base if you accidently let the rope go. If you're in trouble, you should be able to let the rope go, let it slip thru, basically luffing the sail.

Here's the bad scenario (what happened to me and my buddy for real) --, your getting overpowered, about to tip, your going wayyyyyy to fast to turn up-wind safely because you WILL flip over from sheer speed and momentum along with the howling wind pushing your sail over, you let go of the sheet rope out of instinct, the knot you shouldnt have jams up against the mast base pulley, the sail is now 90 degrees to the boat fully powered and you can't pull the rope back from the force of the HOOOJ gust. Your choice is to basically try to ride it out, cry, or try to turn. Before you can do anything, the gust gets even HOOOOjer and blows you over FORWARD. SLAM! Faceplant.

I thought about getting one of those cleats to lock the sheet rope in, and with a quick pull, would release. Thats what alot of folks do to add "cruise control". Different from the suicide knot.

acampbell - 5-10-2010 at 01:35 PM

That vivid description paints quite a picture! Almost got bruised reading it. Didn't think you could pitch-pole a BK!

bigkid - 5-10-2010 at 02:04 PM

I have been telling my wife that the blokarts are safer than the buggys. But you are not helping the situation at all with those type of stories :crazy:

pokitetrash - 5-10-2010 at 02:40 PM

Dont be alarmed! Your TV set is functioning Properly,,,

Really, they are very safe. What happened to me was because I took a safety shortcut and combined that with the worst possible weather condition that really came out of nowhere. When I say nowhere, I mean figuratively--it was a good windy day anyway. 18 - 20+mph , just right for a fat guy in a Blokart but the squall hit like a sledge. I suppose if I was better at reading the sky, I might have anticipated and not have been riding.
We didn't see any rain wall or anything. This was at OOBE Field by the way... The same thing happened to some of us riding at OOBE a couple years ago, a huge gust hit, lofted and slammed me flying a 7 m Blurr in normally 8-10mph winds and dragged BeamerBob's son Wexler about a hundred feet or so all in one blast. ("OOBE Field" for a reason)

And Angus, the flip wasn't quite a pitch pole, but real close because of the load on the sail. Dont know how the mast didn't snap.

Dont mean to alarm anyone out of a Blokart or any landsailer. I should have recieved the Darwin Award and like anything we do regarding wind, it's always a risk.

I let my 12 year old son ride all the time.

It's similar to stropping into a fixed bridle. Not always fast enough to eject so I'm very careful when I use a strop, even with my fancy panic release.

BeamerBob - 5-10-2010 at 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by pokitetrash
Dont be alarmed! Your TV set is functioning Properly,,,

This was at OOBE Field by the way... The same thing happened to some of us riding at OOBE a couple years ago, a huge gust hit, lofted and slammed me flying a 7 m Blurr in normally 8-10mph winds and dragged BeamerBob's son Wexler about a hundred feet or so all in one blast. ("OOBE Field" for a reason)



It was very tame that day. Wexler was flying a 12.5m Montana IV to give you an idea of how things changed so fast. He dropped to his knees and just kept going. Now about that Electric slide Pokite!

revpaul - 6-10-2010 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by bigkid
I have been telling my wife that the blokarts are safer than the buggys. But you are not helping the situation at all with those type of stories :crazy:

in my short time at it and how I ride and where I ride, I'd say 'Landsailing' is generally less hazardous/more enjoyable than buggy'n. I have a semi-large area but it is divided(cluttered) by; playgrounds, trees, grandstands, sideline benches, ditches, soccer goals, football/rugby uprights, outhouses, garbage barrells, and, people.
riding/sailing/piloting the dirtboat is quite a load off my mind concerning all the obstacles.
I have seen(you tube) a lot clips of small (BK/Sirocco Sprint) sized landsailers that include footage of the tip-overs and the piltot is not ejected from boat/vehicle as is usually the case with a buggy "OBE".
BKs have a 5 point harness upgrade, rather than a simple the lap belt, that'll really hold rider from ejecting.

- do not try to stop a tipover by putting a foot down
is the golden rule i received with my dirtboat.
(also don't wear lap belt on ice).
the rest of the rules/guidlelines are same as buggy'n...
helmet, wind conditions, people, overhead power, etc., etc..