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Building my own Coyotes

milesAway - 28-4-2010 at 12:06 AM

Being a big footed guy (11-11.5) and living in Athens Greece are two good reasons for not having bought yet, a pair of Coyotes.

So I thought that maybe I could build a pair..!
I know they will not have the exact characteristics but at least I could try some descent off road kite blading! :thumbup: :roll:

I found this video on youTube and thought that I could build those (definetly not the engine).






I am thinking of using an old pair of inlines to get the boots and build the rest of the skates.
So guys, I need your advice (specially the coyote addicts :smilegrin: ) !
Do you think its worth a try?
Anything I should be aware of?
Anything I should avoid?
Two wheels, three wheels? 6,7,8 inches?

What do you think?

Kamikuza - 28-4-2010 at 01:38 AM

Go for it!

WIllardTheGrey - 28-4-2010 at 02:28 AM

Check out Doom Wheels, I have mine 1/2 built but been too busy playing with the buggy to finish em.

http://www.doomwheels.com

How to build the Wheels Of Doom


milesAway - 28-4-2010 at 03:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WIllardTheGrey
Check out Doom Wheels, I have mine 1/2 built but been too busy playing with the buggy to finish em.



How to build the Wheels Of Doom



Thank you WIllardTheGrey!
however, I was more thinking kind of a coyote type skate having the wheels underneath the boot. There are no deserts or dry lakes where I live. The biggest area I could kiteskate would be like 200x200m. So doomwheels would be like killing a mosquito with a canon.

PHREERIDER - 28-4-2010 at 04:57 AM

custom will be more $$$.

find the wheelset first. the doomwheels with 8/9" ATB wheels will by far less expensive and easy and straight forward less than an hour to put together with a wide range of boots.

they are "ski like" not skates, great for speed, cruising, and jumping not as nimble as COYOTES.

Bladerunner - 28-4-2010 at 06:35 AM

I think that this is GREAT !
Someody has to find a way around the problem.
I like Kami's idea of chopping off the toes !

Your thinking is correct about keeping the wheelbase short. My Coyotes run on 3 - 6" wheels.

I have a beat up old set of frames I am willing to send to anybody who wants to work on bolting them to their own boots . If you wanted to pay shipping I could send them to you.

Same with you Kami'. :tumble:

cheezycheese - 28-4-2010 at 06:59 AM

Hit up DONESKI. I believe he built his own...:yes:

doneski - 28-4-2010 at 12:19 PM

I did build my own.
First I built Doom Wheels; really fast to build but they don't want to turn.

Then I started to read about people using Coyotees and found a pair that were size 6. Too small for me but really cheep. I figured they would be similar to any rollerblade and I could make them fit. These turned out to be lots of fun and turn really easily.

1) take out liner and use screwdriver to remove boot from frame. (2 screws)
2) remove brake lever from boot.
3) use hex wrench to remove wheels so you can remove brake. THEN THROW OUT THE BRAKE
You now have a stripped down frame and need to decide what to put on top.

Inline skates all attach the frame to the boot with 2 screws that are a standard length apart. I didn't mount inline boots on mine so I didn't check the hole distance but will tonight or if someone else could check. Anyway, if the distance on the Coyotes is the same as other inline skates you can find any heavy duty boot with a heal higher than the toe. Think of a pair of dress shoes with the heal ripped off. Grinding skates could be a pretty good match. Especially old heavy duty ones. Don't get high end race or fitness boots because they don't have the strength.

I chose to mount telemark ski bindings because I've got the boots and spare bindings. I gave these to a friend when I found a size 8 Coyote but after using them a few times I've decided to set them up with mountaineering bindings I picked up at the dump and Telemark or Alpine Touring boots. Same process to mount as outlined below. These are the same bindings you see on skiblades. Get the simple non releasable type as shown here http://www.curtissportconnection.com/Snow_Blades.htm . Used ski blades/snow blades are really cheep.

5) mount a ski binding. First cut some 3/4 inch plywood about as wide as a ski and long enough to mount the binding and boot. Put the boot and binding together and align on wood and frame so Boot-Center of the boot is above the center of the center wheel. Think of it as matching boot-center to the ski's cord or ski-center. Boot center is usually marked on a ski boot or google how to figure it out. Trim the wood to be only as long as you need. Since the Coyote frame has a heal post higher than the toe post you can't just screw the wood on because it would make a really steep ramp. You want the boot as low on the frame and flat as possible for better control. There are many ways to do this such as cutting the heal post but I was pressed for time so I cut a hole in the wood so the heal post pokes through and the front part of the wood sits on the toe post. The goal is to have a flat surface to mount the binding on. The middle wheel rubbed so I cut out a notch. Now screw the wood to the aluminum frame. I drilled a few holes in the toe post and used wood screws to attach everything. I then mounted my Tele bindings with normal ski binding screws.

6) put wheels back on.

Now I can wear my tele boots around the beach to set up the kite. When ready, snap into my bindings and off I go. When done, take off the Coyotes.

milesAway - 30-4-2010 at 11:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by doneski
I did build my own.
First I built Doom Wheels; really fast to build but they don't want to turn.

Then I started to read about people using Coyotees and found a pair that were size 6. Too small for me but really cheep. I figured they would be similar to any rollerblade and I could make them fit. These turned out to be lots of fun and turn really easily.

1) take out liner and use screwdriver to remove boot from frame. (2 screws)
2) remove brake lever from boot.
3) use hex wrench to remove wheels so you can remove brake. THEN THROW OUT THE BRAKE
You now have a stripped down frame and need to decide what to put on top.

Inline skates all attach the frame to the boot with 2 screws that are a standard length apart. I didn't mount inline boots on mine so I didn't check the hole distance but will tonight or if someone else could check. Anyway, if the distance on the Coyotes is the same as other inline skates you can find any heavy duty boot with a heal higher than the toe. Think of a pair of dress shoes with the heal ripped off. Grinding skates could be a pretty good match. Especially old heavy duty ones. Don't get high end race or fitness boots because they don't have the strength.

I chose to mount telemark ski bindings because I've got the boots and spare bindings. I gave these to a friend when I found a size 8 Coyote but after using them a few times I've decided to set them up with mountaineering bindings I picked up at the dump and Telemark or Alpine Touring boots. Same process to mount as outlined below. These are the same bindings you see on skiblades. Get the simple non releasable type as shown here http://www.curtissportconnection.com/Snow_Blades.htm . Used ski blades/snow blades are really cheep.

5) mount a ski binding. First cut some 3/4 inch plywood about as wide as a ski and long enough to mount the binding and boot. Put the boot and binding together and align on wood and frame so Boot-Center of the boot is above the center of the center wheel. Think of it as matching boot-center to the ski's cord or ski-center. Boot center is usually marked on a ski boot or google how to figure it out. Trim the wood to be only as long as you need. Since the Coyote frame has a heal post higher than the toe post you can't just screw the wood on because it would make a really steep ramp. You want the boot as low on the frame and flat as possible for better control. There are many ways to do this such as cutting the heal post but I was pressed for time so I cut a hole in the wood so the heal post pokes through and the front part of the wood sits on the toe post. The goal is to have a flat surface to mount the binding on. The middle wheel rubbed so I cut out a notch. Now screw the wood to the aluminum frame. I drilled a few holes in the toe post and used wood screws to attach everything. I then mounted my Tele bindings with normal ski binding screws.

6) put wheels back on.

Now I can wear my tele boots around the beach to set up the kite. When ready, snap into my bindings and off I go. When done, take off the Coyotes.


Thnx Doneski !!! This is xlnt info!
Do you have any pix of your skates?

Spartan - 1-5-2010 at 07:02 AM

Hi again to all you doomies out there. I've been very busy lately, but now I'm back in action.
Here's some pics of my Dooms, they work well for me.

Picture 114.jpg - 116kB

bobalooie57 - 1-5-2010 at 07:44 AM

Very cool! Just wondering, anyone out there tried Scorpion Quadline skates?

Bladerunner - 1-5-2010 at 07:58 AM

Very interesting product ?

They show a picture of a kiter jumping with them so it seems possible !

I feel as though being able to angle the whole skate with the inline blade seems better / less stressfull on your ankles but I would be interested in trying some !

http://www.skorpion.com/

bobalooie57 - 1-5-2010 at 08:13 AM

I grew up going to a roller rink with my family on Sunday afternoons, so I'm more familiar with the old school 4x skates with boots like figure skates. I kind of like the Skorpions, (thanks for the link btw) because they will fit big foots, you use your own shoes or boots. Might be my next purchase. If so, I'll post a review.

doneski - 1-5-2010 at 11:58 AM

Picture of Coyote with Telemark binding (Rainey Superloops)

doneski - 1-5-2010 at 12:05 PM

Picture of Coyote with Telemark binding (Rainey Superloops)

Coyote-Telemark_Binding.JPG - 22kB

doneski - 1-5-2010 at 12:06 PM

Picture of Coyote with Telemark binding (Rainey Superloops)

Coyote-Telemark_Binding_a.JPG - 23kB

doneski - 1-5-2010 at 12:20 PM

Kitewing and COYOTES; way too cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmHRpIS_3sM&feature=PlayL...

Kamikuza - 1-5-2010 at 06:30 PM

... you got me thinking, Bladerunner - I'm looking on eBay for size 12 or 13 rollerblades to chop up and fit on to Coyote chassis ...

Kamikuza - 1-5-2010 at 06:51 PM

So it's just the 2 screws that hold the Coyote chassis to the frame? Are all the chassis (for different boot sizes) the same size?

milesAway - 1-5-2010 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by doneski
Picture of Coyote with Telemark binding (Rainey Superloops)


Hey this looks like a pretty robust mod' !
I like the idea of being able to take off the skate without taking of the boot.
Are these the same Coyotes on the vid on Camber Sands ?

Kamikuza - 2-5-2010 at 02:23 AM

And the wheels - are they still available as spares?

thanson2001ok - 2-5-2010 at 04:56 AM

The snowblade binding idea sounds perfect. They would also make a good trainer pair for people you want to teach how to blade. Just bring your ski boots, alpine or telemark, adjust and pop 'em on.

Bladerunner - 2-5-2010 at 07:07 AM

YES, Milesaway the bases I will be sending are exactly the same.

Way to go Donski ! That is exactly the mod I was thiknig of but with a ski boot bolted on . The binding idea is great !

I am not sure but I think the base is pretty standard in size ????

doneski - 2-5-2010 at 07:24 AM

Not sure what you mean by "the base is standard in size" but the cheap version of the ski blade bindings can be adjusted in seconds without tools and should fit all adult ski boots. The toes and heals adjust separately so you can fit different size boots and move the boot slightly forward or back.

Kamikuza - 2-5-2010 at 07:32 AM

The frame for the Coyotes wheels - they don't change depending on what boot they're under?

doneski - 2-5-2010 at 08:47 AM

correct; 1) the wood sits on the frame and does not move, 2) the ski blade binding plate gets screwed to the wood and does not move, 3) the toe & heal parts slide forward and back on the binding plate. That way you can fit a longer boot sole or move your boot forward/back to get boot center to be right above the center of the center wheel.

Kamikuza - 6-5-2010 at 05:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bladerunner
I have a beat up old set of frames I am willing to send to anybody who wants to work on bolting them to their own boots . If you wanted to pay shipping I could send them to you.

Trying to get some cheap size 12 or 13 Rollerblade brand skates of the eBay - looks like I am going to take you up on that offer :lol:

Bladerunner - 7-5-2010 at 06:46 AM

Sorry Kami .

I sent them off to Milesaway mid week.
I think Donski is really on to something here !
When I looked at the base It looked like they may just be 1 size and adjustable bolt. I would by size 8 or larger just in case they had 2 sizes.

PHREERIDER - 7-5-2010 at 07:08 AM

a little bit of a rerun, but here's the doom set with AL rails (12")

and the 8" (atb wheels ) on the same boot and rails.

easy add on for the 8's just additional holes. the 8's are better in general.

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PHREERIDER - 7-5-2010 at 07:09 AM

the 8's (atb wheels)

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Kamikuza - 7-5-2010 at 05:04 PM

Typical :lol: better keep my eyes on eBay then ...!

Kamikuza - 7-5-2010 at 05:10 PM

Oh and erm :embarrased: ... would someone be willing to receive some skates and forward them if the seller won't ship outside the US?

Maven454 - 7-5-2010 at 05:27 PM

Sure thing Kami. I'll get them shipped off to you if you like. Just let me know.

cheezycheese - 7-5-2010 at 06:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kamikuza
Oh and erm :embarrased: ... would someone be willing to receive some skates and forward them if the seller won't ship outside the US?


gotcha Kam, lemme know... :cool:

Kamikuza - 7-5-2010 at 08:49 PM

Awesome cheers guys! :thumbup:
... now if the eBay seller would respond to their frickin' messages :D

teelzy - 12-5-2010 at 10:27 AM

I went to goodwill, bought a size 7 pair of woman's roller skates, stripped it down to just the frame, bought some pretty awesome longboarding wheels, and am now fiddling with different ways to make it so that my friends and I can easily trade who is skating while using their own shoes. The current plan of attack has not been tested with a kite just yet but consists of a duct tape toe that will fit both my friend's and my own shoes. We basically made a mold of a shoe using duct tape folded over on it's self so that there would be no sticky part to get stuck to the shoe, and then taped the hell out of it on the outside. It works well for messing around on the street and held up well to the good old jam-the-front-wheels-into-the-ground-and-try-to-break-through-the-tape test. I've had lots of fun messing around with these and have gone from using Speedo brand crocs, tied down by shoelaces, to zipties, to baseball elastic belts and zipties, to the current situation using the duct tape toe and elastic baseball belt. Can't wait to try them again :rolleyes: soon enough

Kamikuza - 12-5-2010 at 05:29 PM

Pics teelzy pics ... we don't believe you without the pics :lol:

teelzy - 12-5-2010 at 07:04 PM

Just tried them out today. They worked decently. Certainly not going to do any high speed turning or up wind runs, but they were great for my location. I had a half mile open stretch which was nice. I convinced my dad to ride his new Harley up behind me and he was taking some videos and pics so I'll see if the phone footage turned out. I'll certainly post some pics of the skates in a few!

Kamikuza - 12-5-2010 at 08:33 PM

That'll be cool! :thumbup:

teelzy - 12-5-2010 at 08:46 PM

Well, haven't got to check the father's phone just yet but here is a video I made tonight just to show you guys the skates. I'll put up some pics as well once I figure out how haha.

And here is my attempt at embedding the video-->

teelzy - 12-5-2010 at 09:12 PM

Alright, I don't want to put up links for all of the individual pictures of the skates but I will post my photobucket profile link --> http://s739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/teelzy/




Kite Skates V4


Kite Skates V4


Kite Skates V1


Me With Kite Skate V2


I'm also in the process of working on a skateboard conversion using a crappy skateboard my friend found. I hope you guys enjoy because It's given me something to do when the wind has been crummy. :singing:

Kamikuza - 12-5-2010 at 10:35 PM



Ha! Those are mad - I love 'em :lol:

EDIT : you gotta remove the "?action=view&current=" from those links ...

teelzy - 12-5-2010 at 10:46 PM

Ah, thank you. All fixed up now. Now everyone can see my fake "mad dog face" along with one of the progressions of the skates. I preferred the looks of the skates in the fourth picture but the use of zipties nearly ripped through the entire rubber sole of the shoes. Still, I like the look of them there haha. I also have some more videos posted on youtube of some of my kite adventures if anyone cares to follow my progression lol. I'm just lovin every step of the way :wee:


EDIT: Hmmm, it seems that I have hijacked this thread. Sorry :(

Kamikuza - 12-5-2010 at 11:39 PM

Oh the big purple bow is a great improvement over the duct tape :lol:

The whole kite-thing ... it's a drug, we're addicted :yes:

EDIT : check out these things - these look like something you could build ...

teelzy - 13-5-2010 at 08:21 AM

^^ Those skates are slow as balls. The trouble with mine is I can't stop haha. I suppose that having a little more friction would be better in some cases. And the pictures up above are in the wrong order. They are listed in the following order: Version 4, Version 4, Version 1, Version 2. I know eventually I will have all kinds of homemade crud laying around such as skates, boards, possibly buggies, but that's something I look forward to immensely :)

art_lessing - 13-5-2010 at 11:27 AM

yeah why are they going down a big hill and not hauling a$$...it looks like they are pumping to go downhill?

teelzy - 13-5-2010 at 11:46 AM

I'll have to try and get a video of me going down a neighborhood hill haha. Getting the video should be easy, stopping and not destroying myself or my phone will be the hard part. Gonna have to use some team work and get one of my buds to take a vid.