So, I just got to wondering... Did Peter Lynn originally design their ARC kites with AutoZenith on purpose? Or was this maybe designed
unintentionally/by accident and they stuck with it?
I haven't done my research. Peter Lynn Twinskins are the only line of kites to have the AutoZenith feature, yes?
Cheers,
SeannyBladerunner - 20-11-2010 at 06:01 PM
This doesn't exactly answer your question but go here and click CORE . http://peterlynn.com/
Peter Lynns history is cool and worth the read. Amazing man.
I am guessing that auto zenith was a pleasant bi-product of the design rather than a requirement ?Seanny - 20-11-2010 at 06:07 PM
Ohhhhhh, thanks for the link!
He is truly an incredible person, and an inspiration to so many.
Whatever the reason it was created, I'm sure glad we have it! :D
Cheers,
SeannyMorrie Williams - 20-11-2010 at 06:11 PM
You can always ask the man to his face at the next NABX he attends.Seanny - 20-11-2010 at 06:13 PM
I also have a few questions for Santa Claus next time I go to the mall :D
Cheers,
Seannykrumly - 20-11-2010 at 06:17 PM
Seanny -
AFAIK, PL twinskins are the only kites on the market that autozenith. I'm not certain if PL had this as a goal from the outset, but I'm certain he
was aware of the phenomena since the first Sarcs were developed.
The main factor for autozenith is that the center of lateral resistance of the kite as it falls off to one side is ahead of the center of gravity.
This creates a torque, or moment, that turns the front of the kite up. Tube kites generally have a center of gravity that is far forward of the
center of lateral resistance, due to the mass of the leading edge. This causes them to fall off further. If you are a sailor, it's like describing
whether your boat has 'weather helm' or 'lee helm.'
For autozenith to work, there has to be enough lateral area to develop the turning moment. Other foil kites don't have enough arch or 'C' shape to
present sufficient side area.
Must admit I'm not familiar with newer PL Arcs - haven't flown a Synergy or Charger. But it sounds like the Chargers are light on autozerith, while
steering is really responsive. Makes sense - a property that leads a kite to positive stability in any axis will tend to make it less responsive to
user input along the same axis.
krumlySeanny - 20-11-2010 at 06:39 PM
Very fascinating! :o Thanks for the info!
It does make sense. I wonder what the future of kites will be like?
Cheers,
Seannyacampbell - 21-11-2010 at 04:24 PM
When I see a post like this I always wait for Krumly to chime in with a lucid and learned explanation. Thanks as always!Kamikuza - 21-11-2010 at 06:29 PM
Thanks Krumly, I always wondered why ... that makes it clear Seanny - 21-11-2010 at 10:18 PM
If we ever stop hearing from Krumly all of a sudden, I bet it's because he was taken down by a Peter Lynn undercover operative on grounds of knowing
too much, and plotting to undermine the company. :o
Cheers,
Seannybobalooie57 - 21-11-2010 at 10:34 PM
Or on the Peter Lynn payroll, then he will be paid to not talk about what he knows!krumly - 22-11-2010 at 07:34 AM
None of it's a secret - check out PL's own website for the 'technical papers':
The monthly newsletters on http://www.peterlynnkites.com/news/news_archive.htm go back to 2001. You can follow the history of Arc development in those, along with all the
other developments in show kites, bugs, kiteboats, etc.
krumlySeanny - 22-11-2010 at 03:37 PM
Oh. Well then. In that case, I guess you don't have to worried about getting assassinated, Krumly. At least not by Peter Lynn... :D
Cheers,
SeannyBladerunner - 22-11-2010 at 06:23 PM
The Twin skin arcs MAyyyyy not be the only auto zenith kite. There is a French kite called the Mandibule ( I think ) that Ssssshould also auto zenith?
I have never had the pleasure of seeing this kite in person but in video it looks a lot like a 2 line arc ? By nature , it should auto zenith?
P.S. Yes, Long live Krumly and his wealth of knowledge ! Seanny - 22-11-2010 at 06:26 PM
Whatever it is, Peter Lynn has been perfecting the formula for years, and has never failed to produce a completely satisfying product. It's neat that
somebody else figured it out, though. But meh. Why buy French when we have Peter Lynn? :D
Cheers,
SeannyBladerunner - 22-11-2010 at 06:35 PM
I think the mandibule and the 1st arcs came out about the same time. Not sure how long they made them but I don't think they have done so for a long
time.krumly - 22-11-2010 at 08:31 PM
Maybe that new Flysurfer Viron qualifies. Don't know about that patent-pending depower reefing though... gotta think there is enough in the public
domain to make that old news, but maybe certain aspects of their approach are unique.
I got lots of other kites that autozenith - are on one line, though!
krumlySeanny - 22-11-2010 at 08:45 PM
Ha! While this is true, it doesn't count! :P
For sale! Super stable kite, all new TWO strut design, diamond wingtips, SUPER stable, AutoZenith, MASSIVE depower, variable line length, flies in
almost any wind! Perfect for beginners to advanced riders! Comes complete with kite, line, bag, and struts!
:D
Cheers,
Seanny
Venom I 13 Autozenith
AD72 - 27-1-2012 at 05:55 PM
Last weekend I needed to take a breather and warm up after some time in the cold water. Autozenith came in handy as I took a break. Wind was in the
20's and gusty but that did not bother the ARC. lad - 27-1-2012 at 06:11 PM
As I described in other threads, I'd regularly hitch my Phannys in auto zenith while at Treasure Island Kite Festival.
(It would be a more spectacular sight if it wasn't for all those squids, trilobites and other giant inflatables in the surrounding air!) :alien:
