Power Kite Forum - Peter Lynn tube kite

Peter Lynn tube kite

tridude - 30-11-2010 at 05:14 PM

How many of you ARC pilots would consider or make the change if this tube kite out performs their current ARC lineup (which doesnt appear to be too difficult)? Lets assume the market angle on this kite will cover all depower disciplines................wait a minute isnt this their marketing departments job? I gotta change careers................. :rolleyes:

tridude - 30-11-2010 at 05:16 PM

ok I went first.........be honset and not afraid to admit that one day you could change over. Remember you can always go back.......... :lol:

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Bladerunner - 30-11-2010 at 05:52 PM

I would fly NPW's if that is all that was available to fly.

I am sure I could enjoy inflatables but I don't have a lot of need for a water kite. If the arc wasn't around I expect I would be flying Flysurfers or Ozone ?

action jackson - 30-11-2010 at 06:18 PM

I've stuck it out for 11 yrs without changing a bladder or nipple!(on my own equipment) !Hope they got something thats going to blow the socks off of anything out there now or they are just going to get laugh at as "sellouts". Plus they want to capture on LEI wearing out in a season or two, compared to a twin skin that has a long-long lifespane!They are taking "Peter" out of the Lynn. Peter thinks outside the box, V/O thinks within. I pretty much have the choice of several dozon tube kites to fly daliy, probaly will have start flying for work too but I still love how simple the arcs are. But what do we know? We are lazy Americans sitting on a couch.

sendit - 30-11-2010 at 06:34 PM

There are already many very good LEI kites out there that outperform arcs. Other qualities make arcs more "attractive" to some folks. I like the stability, range, compactness for travel (I travel a lot!) durability; and I think the design is elegant. Performance is improving; not very quickly and not in the quantum leaps possible i.e. SLE, Delta LEI developments.

I think the LEI kite improvements are leveling off, but people still buy new kites annually to keep up with the price and value,knowing that LEI dependability degrades rapidly after 2 years. You can usually re-coup half cost on a 1yo kite, while a 2yo kite is hard to sell. This is part of the LEI marketing structure; they build kites that have to be replaced regularly. Seems to work with all my friends. Sad thing is that the folks that are riding 3yo tubes get stink eye at the beach almost as much as arc flyers.

Most LEI kiters choose their flavor based upon some kind of loyalty(either brand, shop or dealer), as most LEI are good performers and none really have a unique characteristic that separates them from other LEI (like arcs). If I were to fly inflatables regularly I don't know if I would choose PL off the bat because their support network in the States is non existent. From what I have encountered, even US PL/VO dealers are out in the cold as far as support is concerned. Personally, I have to wait at least 6 months every time I order the new PL model, when my friends with shops are willing to hand me a new LEI kite on the spot; no questions, try it before you buy it, pay me next week or come back and try something else... The competitive kite market in the US must be something that the Dutch can't quite fathom, and to tell you the truth, I can't quite blame them either. However, they should have someone explain it to them if they want to sell LEI kites.

I like flying inflatable kites too (mostly Revs and Vegas) and I'd love to fly a PL inflatable, but I would still like to keep my primary kites as arcs.

So my reasons to fly PL/VO inflatable:

-A LEI kite that revolutionizes the sport
-A kite that outperforms the like of SS Rev, North Vegas, Ozone Edge, GK Sonic, Best Taboo, Cabrinha Switchblade...
-A competitive inexpensive, yet very high quality kite
-A competitive kite that will pack into a lunch box
-A competitive kite that is available and supported at many local shops
-A competitive kite that looks sooooooooooooooo cool in the air that it's a bigger chick magnet than puppies
-A competitive kite that makes me look soooooooooooo cool in the air that I am a bigger chick magnet than puppies

dylanj423 - 30-11-2010 at 08:24 PM

i would stay with the arcs, or if PL stopped making them, i would switch to flysurfers....

i fly solo a lot, self launch and land is awesome
i dont like the pumping
i like being unique
they are durable

Kamikuza - 30-11-2010 at 09:47 PM

You can self-launch/-land tubes pretty easy ...

I'd go a PL tube if it measured up to the rest - they all seem much of a muchness IMHO .... once you've chosen your style, they all seem to do about the same thing :lol:

arkay - 30-11-2010 at 10:08 PM

I agree, they all pretty much fly

The timings on the kites when you want to get air are totally different. And of course water relaunch differs greatly between the two (well for late matter between all sle/lei's). Since I typically have to deal with waves I'v found that if the kite hits the water the lei flags out and bow ties and won't want to restart, and the lei's fold over themselves, so you're screwed either way!

tridude - 1-12-2010 at 08:01 AM

enjoying yor comments..............feel alot of passion in your statements which is one of the ultimate testimonies..............

geokite - 1-12-2010 at 08:18 AM

I'm only seeing, on two different browsers, three choices in the poll; first, third, and fifth. What are choices #2 and #4?

Doubt I'll ever go over to a LEI(insert all the reasons for flying arcs here). Don't know what I'll fly when my arcs wear out. Can't justify/afford a new kite every couple of years, sure would make this activity very expensive. Anyone ever figure out how much each session costs you, factoring in the cost of all the equipment? Yikes, I'm a school teacher...

tridude - 1-12-2010 at 08:33 AM

use 1,3, or 5........my categories were more than one line for selections 1 and 3 which produced a 2 and 4. Your ARCs most likely will never wear out......AJ and PHREERIDER are probably the annual high time pilots on PKF and never fuss about performance with their ARC kits...........

cost per session...............nice idea.........run with that Geo and start a new thread

tridude - 1-12-2010 at 11:33 AM

early results in and may be a factor/reason PL is including a LEI into their lineup.........Im sure they did some sort of focus group or customer survey. :puzzled::puzzled::shocked2:

PHREERIDER - 1-12-2010 at 12:08 PM

old arcs, new arcs.. new tubes, old tubes..foils, lei..whatever. something that works EVERYDAY is gonna get my vote.

"do have a machine that fills that thing up?"

"no, I don't"

"then how do you fill it"

"mother nature fills it for me"

a look if disbelief arrives on their face. i laugh and think what a blissful state they must exist in to be so filled with hair trigger doubt. made my day.

a real conversation i had with a beach goer a few days back.

ANYTHING THAT IS FILLED WITH MOTHER NATURE HAS TO BE BETTER.

tridude - 1-12-2010 at 12:15 PM

been there a time or three...................then I start thinking to myself, "hope I dont blow the launch"............................. :lol:

:duh:

BeamerBob - 1-12-2010 at 12:24 PM

tridude called me one day when he had an encounter with a doubter. I'd love him to recount it for us. Don't have to pump it up? Nope
I can help you launch it. Don't need any help.

After all that the guy loses it when tridude launches and then forgets about the kite getting his stuff together on the ground oblivious to the kite.

I was in tears from laughter. tridude could do standup with his delivery. :roll:

acampbell - 1-12-2010 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by sendit
If I were to fly inflatables regularly I don't know if I would choose PL off the bat because their support network in the States is non existent. From what I have encountered, even US PL/VO dealers are out in the cold as far as support is concerned.

I like flying inflatable kites too (mostly Revs and Vegas) and I'd love to fly a PL inflatable, but I would still like to keep my primary kites as arcs.

What planet?
Since VO has reached out direct to dealers about 2 years ago this is not so much true. I stock most PL spares for Arcs (bar parts, etc) here in the US and can get most anything else in about a week. And they are easy to get on the phone for any support issues. Yes there is usually delay and uncertainty on the delivery times for new products, but this is common with other makes too, in my experience.

ripsessionkites - 1-12-2010 at 02:20 PM

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i have pretty much everything, and the only thing we dont do in house is repairs. I perfer to ship back to PL for most technical repairs.

as for support you are welcome to shoot email my way. ill be all over Canada and USA this coming season along with the pplz from PL NL.

action jackson - 1-12-2010 at 04:04 PM

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Good, I look forward to seeing yall this yr since I work for the one of the largest kite stores in the USA.........aj

sendit - 1-12-2010 at 05:10 PM

Crap! Sorry to stir the pot. I think my comments are somewhat based on long-ago experiences and just general lower exposure of PL in the states. I fly almost completely on the water too, which puts me in the minority on this forum as well. 99% of the people I kite with are on inflatables so I see very few arcs, even though I fly them all around the continent.

I have to say that every North American PL dealer that I bought kites from has been over the top; I could not ask for more as far as service, and they go out of their way to support my purchases and PL kites. I wish that there was enough business to support more of them because they are spread out. I have only met one and that was while in Baja. It's a great story, but I don't think Speedy sells arcs anymore - something about snowflakes in NYC.

So I wish to retract my comments, with an apology. It would help if I got out on the water soon. Peace Out.

Feyd - 1-12-2010 at 08:44 PM

Yeah you better retract, there is no bigger chick magnet than puppies.

AD72 - 27-6-2011 at 01:02 PM

It's the end of June. I thought the release date was penciled in for now.

indigo_wolf - 27-6-2011 at 02:12 PM

Release/ship dates are almost always penciled in with a very powdery graphite that is highly susceptible to being blown away by the first errant sneeze.

Plus, I think a lot of release dates are put out with an eye towards the fine game of brinkmanship between driving interest and exasperation.

Last minute supply or production issues also tend to wield a fairly large monkey wrench.

ATB,
Sam

AD72 - 27-6-2011 at 02:42 PM

Hopefully it is not a Duke Nukem'.

lunchbox - 27-6-2011 at 06:25 PM

Traig's got one over here in Malibu...might have to hunt him down so I can have a go

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I love my Arc's to death and I don't think I'll ever get rid of them but I definitely am open to try the new Lei or maybe a Wainman or something else that is wave friendly.

...the only thing really holding me back is the self launch and land. I think I'd be really scared at first to launch by myself in high winds....don't really have that fear with my arc's. I'm not saying it's a justifiable fear, but it's probably the main reason that I haven't bought a LEI yet. And the death spirals...still have some concerns about that...

macboy - 27-6-2011 at 10:11 PM

Well for those of you that have been following my helter skelter quiver and wishy washiness you already know the answer.....YES! But only for the water. More to the point I'd do it to proudly support the brand that I really do think has very good merits and is at the right price point for the sport, a great community to be a part of, and so on, and so on......

I've been doing the foil/inflato wrestle for a while here and have gone over to the other side for now - for the water at least. If PL's were out I'd definitely have put them tops in consideration if not second in line after beating up the first couple LEIs I lay my ape hands on.

Slingshot quiver taking shape as we speak.

Kamikuza - 28-6-2011 at 12:04 AM

I dunno, I'm thinking my next pumpy kite will be a Switch - just for something different. And for the screaming low price :lol:

arkay - 28-6-2011 at 12:13 AM

Relaunch of an SLE is such cake in pretty much any condition. If they could make it much gusts then I'd consider it on water but not on land. I wonder about a combination SLE/Arc. Ok, sure, that's crazy talk, but a little captive leading edge that not too stiff could do wonders for the bow tie and anti-taco. I'm usually on the flexi tubes on water, but I plan to take my v13 or p10 for a ride this weekend :D

AD72 - 28-6-2011 at 04:51 AM

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I dunno, I'm thinking my next pumpy kite will be a Switch - just for something different. And for the screaming low price :lol:

Give it a try and let me know how the bar is. I have been eyeballing that since you posted.

bigkahuna - 28-6-2011 at 05:32 AM

Personally, I think PL missed the boat as far as inflatos go. Had they come out with an inflato line 3 or 4 years ago (just when bows / SLEs were just becoming popular) then I think they'd of had a better chance. Now that a new kite manufacturer seems to come out every couple of months with another "me too" bow/sle, I think they wouldn't have nearly as good a chance at making it big. At this stage, they're probably better off sticking to what they know best.

FWIW I've not seen much info on the Switch kites yet, but those prices are definitely interesting. Too bad they don't make a 16m, my Bularoo 16m will be the first to need replacement I'm afraid.

macboy - 28-6-2011 at 12:28 PM

Good point BK.

zero gee - 28-6-2011 at 04:29 PM

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FWIW I've not seen much info on the Switch kites yet, but those prices are definitely interesting. Too bad they don't make a 16m, my Bularoo 16m will be the first to need replacement I'm afraid.

From the Switch Kites website... it's a 16m.

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The Nitro Race Edition is a specially designed light wind race kite. We optimised the profile, decreased the leading edge/strut diameters and trimmed weight to give the hard core racer the advantage in the lightest of conditions.

bigkahuna - 28-6-2011 at 05:12 PM

Interesting, I didn't look at the Nitro, just the Method as that looked to be the best surf kite they have. I don't know anything about their kites but I know Bill Hansen is a bit of a legend in the windsurfing community. It'll be interesting to see how well their kite will do. Lots of competition out there though.

Kamikuza - 28-6-2011 at 05:40 PM

He's very involved at the kiteforum with the Switch Kites thread. Much less pimping than Epic too :lol:

The range on the 16m bothers me - 8 to 18 knots with a 75kg rider? Seems a bit pessimistic - my 16 Xbow suggested 7 to 16 knots for the same but we all know that ain't the truth :lol:

I reckon realistically for me, it's AT LEAST 8 knots to plane ...

Unless of course, Cabrinha is simply listed the absolute bottom end the kite will fly in ... and Switch is listing what rideable ...?

kitedelight - 28-6-2011 at 07:58 PM

It's interesting...there is a flysurfer questionaire out right now, and sounds like they are putting out feelers regarding a tube kite as well.

bigkahuna - 29-6-2011 at 04:41 AM

I think the biggest issue Switch faces is that they don't have any stores or reps, it's strictly sales from their warehouse in China. They're counting entirely on positive reviews on the internet to sell their kites. The problem with that is that you can't always believe what you read on the internet (unless it's here, of course!

). Although $600 - $800 for a new kite is a considerable savings, it's still $600 - $800 and if you don't like it you're not likely to get it all back (especially if you have to ship it back to China).

As for Epic, that's just another soon to fail attempt by Dimitri at self promotion, just like Eclipse did. He's the perfect example of info on the internet that you cannot (and should not) believe. Perfect example is his claims for the Epic Infinity, where he claims his 11 meter kite pulls as much as an 18 meter kite. Yah, right. Only the feeblest of minds would believe that. I doubt he's managed to overcome the laws of physics. :bouncy:

bigkahuna - 29-6-2011 at 04:50 AM

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It's interesting...there is a flysurfer questionaire out right now, and sounds like they are putting out feelers regarding a tube kite as well.

That would be interesting. Flysurfer has built a reputation for kites that perform in ultra light wind and top notch construction. If they were to do the same in the inflato world, they might have a chance IMO. Perhaps release a "Mercedes" class of inflato that costs more but has amazing flying qualities and lasts forever. The whole "German engineering" thing could work very well in their favor. But it would also add fuel to the "foil vs. inflato" debate and "pumpmeup" would have a hay-day if it were to happen. Not sure that we'd ever see a Flysurfer inflato but it's interesting that Armin is even thinking about it.

tridude - 29-6-2011 at 12:29 PM

looking forward to their inflatable finished product and reviews............................

kitedelight - 30-6-2011 at 01:51 PM

I'm curious at how many people would actually fully switch from arcs to LEI's....or than just potentially adding a PL LEI to the mix.

I need to fly LEI's more (got my first one not so long ago and need to get used to it in all conditions), but I would find it hard to 'replace' the feeling my venom gives me during nasty inland gusty conditions. There were a couple snow sessions this year where similar projected sized foils and LEI's were setting down for a bit while the wind howled and the venom was still going along, it was powered for sure, but didn't feel unsafe. Honestly, the LEI's probably could have kept going cause of the insane depower they have, but I guess the guys just didn't feel safe on them. Even with LEI's depower, I guess there is a point in gusty winds where added performance becomes a liability. So, not sure I would be without an arc in the closet for the gusty days.

Kamikuza - 30-6-2011 at 06:05 PM

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It's interesting...there is a flysurfer questionaire out right now, and sounds like they are putting out feelers regarding a tube kite as well.

I dunno if Epic will go down any time soon - they seem to be up and running nicely with quite a following ...

The never-ending stream of Infinity B.S. though is impressive in it's volume :lol:

the latest is an 80kg guy is claiming he's out riding in 3 to 8 knots :lol:

LEIs are easy to use ... therein lies their charm. Gusty conditions aren't really their forte though ...

Switch might do ok - after all, most people are searching for the best price and may not have a local store to "support" so getting gear is a bidding war ...
Getting candid info from Bill is good too - he says that they're not really parS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n'ride kites - which is what I prefer :lol:

Feyd - 1-7-2011 at 11:52 AM

I would consider riding the new LEI but I find it highly unlikely that I would give up the ride qualities of an Arc for one. I wouldn't turn one down that's for sure.

ripsessionkites - 1-7-2011 at 01:09 PM

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It's interesting...there is a flysurfer questionaire out right now, and sounds like they are putting out feelers regarding a tube kite as well.

I dunno if Epic will go down any time soon - they seem to be up and running nicely with quite a following ...

The never-ending stream of Infinity B.S. though is impressive in it's volume :lol:

the latest is an 80kg guy is claiming he's out riding in 3 to 8 knots :lol:

he likes to talk a lot ... big name behind the brand, is how most survive. than you get top riders completing and the odds ones doing the insane stunts for promotions.

each area has is own following, so I didnt see other brands on the beach in the at video other than WH. WH doesnt make a light wind TT board, in that condition wouldnt a SURF be more fun. if some dude had a FS and Door I can see him not talking so much. put the little asian guy out there and and I would be doing tiny jumps than cruising back and fourth.

not to knock any brand 15 to 17m have their place (i miss my BigMama), but giving wind conditions is difficult to judge.
-you got all this guys standing behind a wall of bushes.
-taking a wind reading from beach is different if you were in open water, no obstacles.

IMO for the landlocked riders, I cant see them going to the LEI (why too), they have their CH and other TS models. maybe add one or two just incase

for the cross-over riders, i believe most will demo one first before making the leap over or more it an addition to their quiver.

kitesurfer, is iffy ... but because PLP has a huge following I think most will go with the NEW but at the same time keep what they currently have as well.

every brand has a following, just pick yours. hehehe

tick tick, its coming.

bigkahuna - 1-7-2011 at 01:19 PM

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I'm curious at how many people would actually fully switch from arcs to LEI's....or than just potentially adding a PL LEI to the mix.

My guess would be that if PL sold inflatos it would be to add to their customer base rather than switch their existing customer base.

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I need to fly LEI's more (got my first one not so long ago and need to get used to it in all conditions), but I would find it hard to 'replace' the feeling my venom gives me during nasty inland gusty conditions.

You might be surprised at how "arc-ish" some inflatos are now-a-days. I made the switch some 4 or so years ago, absolutely no regrets. Best thing to do is to give as many kites a try as you can.

AD72 - 1-7-2011 at 03:33 PM

There are a number of members that use Ocean Rodeo inflatables on water and Arcs on land. Different tools for different jobs. Arcs are great for inland gusty winds. I don't think I will use the LEIs to buggy or landboard. Also I am not sure I want to try the Arcs on the water mainly because the locations I go to the launch and culture is not conducive.

kitedelight - 4-7-2011 at 04:07 PM

''You might be surprised at how "arc-ish" some inflatos are now-a-days.''...

mmm, you caught my attention with that. I Are you referring to the smooth feeling during gusts? I would be interested in which LEI models you would say arc-ish? Don't have much experience with LEI's.

bigkahuna - 4-7-2011 at 04:22 PM

@kitedelight - I've been very happy with my quiver of Best Bularoos (10m, 13m and 16m) and 20m Waroo. They have been every bit as smooth both in gust handling and in power delivery as my Peter Lynns were (Venoms and Phantoms). I also gave a North Rebel a quick try (seemed to be a bit "liftier" than my Bularoo) and a Cabrinha Crossbow (seemed faster but not as smooth in delivery) which although I didn't like as much, other kiters I know swear by them. I think the best thing to do is to try as many kites as you possibly can.

Kamikuza - 4-7-2011 at 05:28 PM

I like my Crossbows ... I liked the Rebel I used too.

ripsessionkites - 27-7-2011 at 09:31 AM

http://peterlynn.com/the-sardegna-trip/

tridude - 27-7-2011 at 01:26 PM

thanks Rip........................looks alot like the SS Rev which is an outstanding kite...................my inflatables and Flysurfers are much better on water IMHO......................

PHREERIDER - 27-7-2011 at 02:52 PM

looks good . tick tock

ripsessionkites - 27-7-2011 at 05:13 PM

i agree with TRI ... this is 1 of 3 models. I'm still hoping for something like my/your Rabbits.

Kamikuza - 27-7-2011 at 05:45 PM

On the Nav bar too!

tridude - 27-7-2011 at 09:37 PM

1 of 3 models.................so possibly a SLE/Bow, C, and Delta designs..........this would be interesting...............as stated with the Navi bar would make a dynamite package...........