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power kite no power

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 07:58 PM

hi im ne to power kiteing i got my first kite cuple week back it is a two line 3.45mtr but wen i fly it ther is no power ther at all in in the pawer window nothink what so ever the only time igot a bit of power out of it was yesterday in the verry bad winds whats up with it/what i doing rong it that week my sons rabbit wood not have a problam with it

DAKITEZ - 5-2-2011 at 08:17 PM

what is the name of this kite? I have never seen a 3.45m that is 2 line. Most all 2 line kites I have seen are usually under 2.5m

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 08:46 PM

dont have a clue m8 as got it of ebay will get pics 2moz

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 09:23 PM

just got it out bag and it is just over 14feet from tip to tip

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 09:45 PM

couple of pics will get better ones 2moz i just noticed as well there is 1 loop on the left and rite with nothing on them as can see in pic why

kiteetik - 5-2-2011 at 10:22 PM

no offense intended, but you will get more replies if your spelling and grammar tighten up a bit..........

ripsessionkites - 5-2-2011 at 10:30 PM

most two line foils are more for Fun Foils and/or Trainers (unless its bigger than 5m and its old school like the Peel). they aren't designed to be great puller / power generators.

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 10:50 PM

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no offense intended, but you will get more replies if your spelling and grammar tighten up a bit..........

im dislexic mate using S/C but oveasly not doing the trick

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites
most two line foils are more for Fun Foils and/or Trainers (unless its bigger than 5m and its old school like the Peel). they aren't designed to be great puller / power generators.

are the loops on my kite in the pic not been used/ not attached to anything for a reason are they supporter be attached to some think

awindofchange - 5-2-2011 at 11:38 PM

I would most likely assume that the problem is that you got a cheaply made e-bay kite. If you really want to get some good power and control, you really need to spend a little more and get a professionally produced kite from a reputable manufacturer.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have had many of these kites come through my shop from people who purchased them thinking they were like other kites. We have done just about everything possible to them, including re-bridling them with no luck. I no longer waste my time trying to get them to work. They are just not built to perform like professionally designed kites are.

hawktrainer - 5-2-2011 at 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by awindofchange
I would most likely assume that the problem is that you got a cheaply made e-bay kite. If you really want to get some good power and control, you really need to spend a little more and get a professionally produced kite from a reputable manufacturer.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have had many of these kites come through my shop from people who purchased them thinking they were like other kites. We have done just about everything possible to them, including re-bridling them with no luck. I no longer waste my time trying to get them to work. They are just not built to perform like professionally designed kites are.

looks like i be wating for strong winds agen then till can get a better kite what size be best something to drag me about as i seen people with 2mtr kites been thrown all over the plase lol

flexiblade - 6-2-2011 at 12:51 AM

I made the same mistake about 4 yrs back - I got mine for $25 and expected it to just fly me away. What you will want to look for is either a 3m beamer (roughly $250 - cheaper used) or it's cheaper equivalent a 3m pansh legend (around $140). Either of these will give you a good start and a nice taste of power. Next you will want to hook up with some locals and get some pointers before, during, and after flying - will speed the process along. Good luck and happy flying.

shaggs2riches - 6-2-2011 at 01:05 AM

If you have the patience you should be able to find a good deal in the for sale section of this forum. Look for brands like Ozone, Peter Lynn, HQ, Flexifoil, just to name a few of the several highly recommended companies that make a quality trainer. A two line kite will allow you to pilot through the wind window, but a three-line will give you the benefit of being able to relaunch the kite when you crash. For the full power kite experience some of those beginner level kites are available in a four-line version. A 2-3.5m kite depending on your weight should ensure that you are getting a good amount of power to get pulled on your butt or heels (referred to as scudding). It would be recommended not to venture to any larger than that till you have experience on a kite in that range.

Starting out in a nice low wind (12-17km/h:7-10mph) and working your way up the kites windrange as your skills increase will ensure that you progress safely. You will want to be able to fly the kite eyes closed (quite literally) before advancing to the next level.

If you are after learning to jump, it is highly advisable to wait till you have mastered flying your trainer. You will need the skill set to safely pilot a 6m or higher kite in order to safely jump. Any sail smaller than that doesn't have the necessary float to set you down softly Also, the smaller kite will need an unsafe amount of wind where the kite will move real fast; thus, further increasing the risk of getting hurt. The larger kite doesn't eliminate the risks associated with jumping, it just gives you a much more reliable tool to learn with. Again you will be a long way from this for a little while, I just thought to mention it in case you might consider asking about it.

Aside from getting a good quality kite to learn from, get yourself a good helmet. No matter how safe you think you are being, there is always a chance that things could go wrong. You always want to protect you brain.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, I just thought to try and give you the best info I could to help get you on your way. Welcome to the forum. You'll find that most everyone here is full of knowledge, and always willing to answer whatever questions you have. :spin:

Good Luck and Welcome
Shaggs

Bladerunner - 6-2-2011 at 08:09 AM

YES, Unfortunately you get what you pay for in this sport. Beware of Ebay they will also sell you way too powerful a kite without question. Best to stick with a forum like this.

As folks have mentioned the best money is on used kites from a reputable company. Fly that thing to get a feel for the wind window, turning and looping while you save up and hunt for a REAL power kite !

I am too old to have been diagnosed or medicated ( thank DOG ) as Dyslexic. No disrespect but don't lean on the drugs. Too easy and doesn't work. Memorize the rules. Take the extra time to re-read , correct re-read ... Works for me ? :eureka:

kiteetik - 6-2-2011 at 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by hawktrainer

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Originally posted by kiteetik
no offense intended, but you will get more replies if your spelling and grammar tighten up a bit..........

im dislexic mate using S/C but oveasly not doing the trick

well, youre doing your best and that's more than enough...... good luck to you!!

hawktrainer - 6-2-2011 at 10:53 PM

what is the normal / standard length of power/main lines as i keep wondering if mine are to long/short

DAKITEZ - 6-2-2011 at 11:04 PM

20 - 25m is the normal

hawktrainer - 6-2-2011 at 11:25 PM

thank m8 am i rite in saying thats 82feet ? and can it make a difrans if longer or shorter as in giving more or les power

flexiblade - 6-2-2011 at 11:36 PM

82 ft is correct.

John Holgate - 7-2-2011 at 01:40 PM

Most of the time, you do indeed get what you pay for. Occasionally, you get quite a bit more. Check out the Zebra Checka - a very well made kite (I think it's the same company that does the Libre buggys) for very few dollars. A bunch of us have flown the Z1 (next model up) and been really impressed. Zebra Checka

Construction is top notch as is gust munching abilities. Best value for money I've seen yet. Andyfly is using one on the Claypan in the Kingston Extreme kites meet video (buggying thread). (Actually, he's got the Z1 2.5m).

acampbell - 7-2-2011 at 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by hawktrainer
couple of pics will get better ones 2moz i just noticed as well there is loop on the left and rite with nothing on them as can see in pic why

Often there are spare loops to be used to tie off the ends of the bridles when packing and shipping to keep them separate and keep them from getting intermingled and tangled. But these are too small for that. These small loops are unused bridle attachment points at the trailing edge, suggesting they started thinking about a 4-line design.

But looking at the rather un-tidy knots in the bridle, I can't help think that the construction accuracy and quality are not up to par. I agree with others that you should not expect much from it.

HQ makes a good 2.2m 2-line foil that pulls like a truck in the right conditions, but their kites are built in a proper kite factory where workmanship and tolerances are dialed up and are consistent.

Really at that size it makes sense to go 4-line.

hawktrainer - 7-2-2011 at 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by hawktrainer
couple of pics will get better ones 2moz i just noticed as well there is loop on the left and rite with nothing on them as can see in pic why

ye after having proper look at it i recon it is supporter be a 4 line and who ever had it be for me has set it up as a 2line as don't seem rite to me a 3.45mtr with only 2 lines i been thinking of getting some 4 line kite handles and redoing it all an seeing what happens just don't no how long each bridle lines have to be

Bladerunner - 7-2-2011 at 07:38 PM

YUP, tinker with it. That will be the best value you can get out of it by far ! By rebridling it 4 line you will also be able to reverse launch.

hawktrainer - 7-2-2011 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bladerunner
YUP, tinker with it. That will be the best value you can get out of it by far ! By rebridling it 4 line you will also be able to reverse launch.

just don't no how long each bridle lines have to be ps carnet launch it at all buy my self just all folds up on ground needs some one to hold it so i can launch it just nead to keep eyes out for some kite handles/lines any one no were i can fined info/step by step on how to rebridle / bridle line lenths

Bladerunner - 7-2-2011 at 08:12 PM

If it flies now then DON'T MESS TOO MUCH with the front lines and just make a brake bridle. Bring the left bottom and right bottom in to a single point then down to each handle. Google something like Flexifoil bridle or foil kite bridle. for an example but NOT measurements.

There is no single formula for birdle length. It has to do with the shape of the kite + other stuff.

Basically you have Front ( A ) second ( B ) lines and 3rd row ( C ) lines . If your kite won't take off or sit at zenith then you need to shorten the A lines a bit + the B lines a bit less . Too much and it will over fly + all sorts of odd stuff.

Your best bet by far is to start saving and get a better kite with handles and lines. Then use the lines that came with the toy kite to make the brake bridle .

hawktrainer - 7-2-2011 at 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bladerunner
If it flies now then DON'T MESS TOO MUCH with the front lines and just make a brake bridle. Bring the left bottom and right bottom in to a single point then down to each handle. Google something like Flexifoil bridle or foil kite bridle. for an example but NOT measurements.

There is no single formula for birdle length. It has to do with the shape of the kite + other stuff.

Basically you have Front ( A ) second ( B ) lines and 3rd row ( C ) lines . If your kite won't take off or sit at zenith then you need to shorten the A lines a bit + the B lines a bit less . Too much and it will over fly + all sorts of odd stuff.

Your best bet by far is to start saving and get a better kite with handles and lines. Then use the lines that came with the toy kite to make the brake bridle .

all the lines are in a row of 4 on left 1 in center 4 on rite witch are all along the top the 2 in the center that go to 1 is atached with anuther line that that go's to were the power lines atach on left an rite if get me will get a vid 2moz so can see

hawktrainer - 7-2-2011 at 08:54 PM

na google not found any thing

Bladerunner - 7-2-2011 at 08:56 PM

HERE http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&biw=1076&bih=474&q=f...

This looks like your kite ? Took 30 seconds on Google ! :rolleyes:

I see now that you don't have a C row. All real kites have a C row. Also I think that is a botched repair in the picture?

hawktrainer - 7-2-2011 at 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bladerunner
HERE http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&biw=1076&bih=474&q=f...

This looks like your kite ? Took 30 seconds on Google ! :rolleyes:

I see now that you don't have a C row. All real kites have a C row. Also I think that is a botched repair in the picture?

ye i was thinking same

John Holgate - 7-2-2011 at 11:13 PM

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All real kites have a C row.

Not necessarily..... 3 x A's and 3 X B's per side plus sides & trailing edge. Although I will accept what you said if you agree that this is an UN REAL kite :smilegrin:

hawktrainer - 8-2-2011 at 01:25 AM

what ya think of this it ok for draging me round feald/skudding
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POWER-KITE-3-1M-HEADWORX-CONTROL-NEW-L...

John Holgate - 8-2-2011 at 03:00 AM

What I think is that I would not buy a 'no name' kite from ebay. Buy it from a kite shop and someone who knows what they''re selling. Or a second hand kite from someone here - except that 'ebay Jonesband' fella.

Buy a name kite = PKD, Ozone, Flexifoil, HQ, Peter Lynn, Zebra, Prism. These guys make proper kites.

That thing on ebay looks like a rip off of the Flexifoil Buzz two line kite. Buy a proper 4line kite - you can reverse launch it if you crash it head first and you can land and launch it easily by yourself. And you can use it for buggying or landboarding later on.

Bladerunner - 8-2-2011 at 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by Bladerunner
YES, Unfortunately you get what you pay for in this sport. Beware of Ebay they will also sell you way too powerful a kite without question. Best to stick with a forum like this.

As folks have mentioned the best money is on used kites from a reputable company. Fly that thing to get a feel for the wind window, turning and looping while you save up and hunt for a REAL power kite !

Did you even read this reply ?
Good to see you checking with folks before waisting more money.
Why aren't these friends with 16m kites you talk about helping you avoid these bad choices? Don't they have used gear?

BrisKites - 9-2-2011 at 07:45 AM

Nah, all real kites have a C row