Power Kite Forum

clarification is in order

Looking_Up - 19-2-2011 at 02:16 PM

I flew my havoc 14 today and was worn out and not quite feeling like I had had any fun

The wind was supposed to be 10 to 15 so I new it was going to be light

I am inland and that may be the problem but the kite is always trying to over fly the window but if I sheet in a little the kite will stall and produces an extremely dangerous situation I don't like this because now I am at the mercy of mother nature when the kite starts flying again

I just realized that the light gust winds are the issue because the kite drives to the edge and then luffs

Also I have to reach up above the float and pull for any response in the lighter winds

Any help would be good

Kite is set up on the third not from the kite on the rear lines no adjustments on the bar
:puzzled:

burritobandit - 19-2-2011 at 03:19 PM

I fly inland a lot, and I encounter this overflying stuff sometimes as well with the gusty/switchy winds we get.

You said that if you pull in a little on your bar, your kite back-stalls. This would indicate that you have the kite powered up TOO much. Go down a knot on the kite's pigtails, or depower all the way on your bar's trim strap, feel things out from there, and power up little by little until you find the sweet spot. In normal/consistent winds, you *shouldn't* be able to backstall your kite by sheeting in, but this is a little more likely in light winds. The gusts and lulls we get inland are going to make finding the 'sweet spot' difficult, but you'll get used to it. Just keep adjusting settings and practicing.

Also try not to let the kite sit above you at 12 for very long, if at all. Sit the kite on the sides of the window while you're adjusting or whatever. If it's heading towards 12 above you, turn it away from zenith and down a little and then over to 11 or 1. Back in my my c-kites days, I'd avoid overflying/hindenburging by flying little figure 8s above me until I was set to ride.

BTW, are you flying static or riding on a mountainboard/buggy?

Looking_Up - 19-2-2011 at 04:16 PM

Static at the moment

Kamikuza - 19-2-2011 at 06:44 PM

Hmm ... flying static you gotta be more on the ball to stop it overflying - they're designed to pull you along, not just pull you :)

Seanny - 19-2-2011 at 07:18 PM

Depower kites fly best while you're moving because they're designed to sit in the middle of the window, moving in a forward motion while pulling you along. Unlike fixed bridle kites, depower kites perform much more smoothly with the addition of apparent wind - simply, the artificial wind generated by moving the kite up and down in a wave like motion as you roll around. If you aren't moving, the kite will simply fly out of the window as you try to move it in that wave motion, or "hourglass" it if you will. The apparent wind keeps the kite flying smoothly and pulling steadily. When you're moving with the kite, the wind window also moves with the kite. Therefore, you have an infinite window to play in when you're in motion. It is easy for the kite to overfly the zenith when static flying, because naturally you're going to tend to let it rest at 12 o' clock. Since you're not on wheels, there would be no reason to keep the kite dipped down in the window to provide constant pull. On the contrary, if you're riding, there would be no reason to keep the kite at the zenith... So the kite should never stall.

You definitely have the right idea of practicing with it static to get to know the kite. Those moments where it stalls and then gets walloped by a gust can be frightening... if it becomes unbearable, then it may be a good idea to pack it in for the day. When you feel a gust coming, position the kite at the edge of the window and just try to wait it out the best you can. Oh, and when it's about to overfly the zenith, sheet in hard. That usually works. :) You'll get the hang of it! It will all become more clear when you really start to progress.

burritobandit - 19-2-2011 at 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Looking_Up
Static at the moment


Ah, yeah that's what it sounded like. Once you add an atb or buggy to the mix and you won't have this problem nearly as much. If that's you on the kiteboard in your avatar, it looks like you're familiar with riding with a kite. Your water skills should translate over to the ATB fairly well.

Looking_Up - 19-2-2011 at 11:38 PM

It is me in the avatar

Had the atb out today but I couldn't rest long enough to try getting on it every time I have been in the water the wind was atleast fifteen and on the coast the kite behaves much better just hanging out waiting for me to get all my ducks in a row
I am trying to acquire a 16 m v2 to solve the wind gap and gust problem to an extent
I don't like the straps on my atb but can't remove them because the tnut is stripped
I have kite skated and like being able to bail without feet getting caught up in bindings
Any advice for getting comfortable with ridding the atb

burritobandit - 19-2-2011 at 11:48 PM

Normally, I'd say start with no bindings but since you can't remove them, just keep them real loose so you can bail out of them easily. Which atb and bindings do you have, btw?

Looking_Up - 20-2-2011 at 10:55 AM

It is a very old mbs that some one bought but never used my grandfather picked it up for ten whole dollars at a garage sale it has the old style trucks not skate style I could remove them with force only for them to be gone forever