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Saving NAPKA

ApexxMonty - 25-7-2011 at 06:49 PM

Hey Buggyiers/Flyers - I'm distressed that we are at risk of losing our organization. Kite buggying is our link to common ground, good times, and shared experiences. The organization doesn't ask much of us in return. $40 isn't much and we all benefit from 1) having insurance, 2) credibility, 3) a bonafied organization, 4) opportunities to come together. Without our dues, NAPKA will go the way of organizations in the past (kaput). We cannot expect one or two people to carry the load while the rest of us ride on their shirttails. Keep us strong. I would like to see NAPKA not just survive but THRIVE! $40 is less than a buck a week. Dig into your penny jar or do what ever it takes - just send in your dues.

See you on the sand or where ever we might get a kite in the air...

ApexxMonty:yes:

bobalooie57 - 25-7-2011 at 07:48 PM

It seemed like we were starting to get somewhere. Still could make this organization strong. Just re-upped. I hope you all do, too! :yes:

BeamerBob - 25-7-2011 at 07:53 PM

In order to steer this thread in a positive direction, Monty can you be specific about the shirt tails comment. Specifically, what has NAPKA done for members this past year and what will continued membership build on and provide in the coming year?

csa_deadon - 25-7-2011 at 08:36 PM

I don't believe Monty meant anything negative about anyone person with the shirt tail comment.

Yes, the organization is small at this time.
Yes, we need new members.
Yes, NAPKA does make a difference.
Yes, I have to send my dues in. (just to be honest.)

NAPKA made huge inroads in Washington. This year was somewhat of a bust for us in Washington, but that was more due to lack of communication between state agencies.

Keep in mind, if you wish to put on an event and need insurance, I believe NAPKA can fill that need (someone correct me if I am wrong on this one.)
I believe it would work also with opening up sod farms, beaches, etc if the land owner needed to see proof of insurance.

Most importantly it gives us and our sport.

It cost less then a line set for most of us.

My dues will be paid as soon as the money clears paypal.

flexiblade - 25-7-2011 at 08:43 PM

Bob definitely makes a good point. There are a lot of us that rallied last year to help NAPKA get its funding in order to help it become a more established entity. In the following year those people who joined simply to help out their fellow buggiers in a time of need may feel like ApexxMonty's statements are a bit demanding and a bit out of line. Some of us established a payment through paypal that is automatic to the year of the initial payment - Someone needs to check the payment dates of members to realize that their payments may be automatically generated to their initial payment date of last year.

ripsessionkites - 25-7-2011 at 11:19 PM

We need to be under one umbrella and united we are stronger. We work better in numbers.

Everything sport has a group and we made NAPKA.
We took the racing out of the name, but it's still a section of the group. We are slowly becoming recognized by the other governing bodies in both Europe and aboard. Which is important if you travel like I do.

NAPKA is trying to become the voice for Canada and USA for land traction sports. We govern ourselves like any sport but we allow want to pave the way to opening new locations and having new events as well.

If you put on an event, get in contact with Napka. Why pay for insurance if we have it covered for you.

We are still trying to get the newsletter up, we need your help.

As for personal insurance I've been back and fourth with different agencies all year.

Napka means you have a voice. We are getting a section of napka on there shortly. In the meantime you can visit the Napka website as well.

There is a lot happening from behind. Having said that...

What would you like to see or have happen???

Your voice counts too.

flexiblade - 26-7-2011 at 12:24 AM

In the initial post there were some blanket statements made that after I read them I found them to ring somewhat hollow, in particular, " $40 isn't much and we all benefit from 1) having insurance" - only if we are active in a NAPKA sponsored event. The closest NAPKA events to myself are in Washington, 689 miles away. I know that as a member I can help organize my local chapter to have a NAPKA event - the problem here in Nor Cal there tends to be a number restriction to how many people could actually participate at any one given time. If 5 to 6 buggiers show up all at once there are going to be some hard questions posed to us from the land owners and I feel that asking land owners if it would be alright to have a club sponsored event on their property, that they earn a living from, may not go over all that well. And as far as beach sponsored events, that just comes down to local geography - the beaches here really aren't that wide and an event would be in constant conflict with the general public who don't know or care what NAPKA is.

My overall point is that NAPKA is being presented as a "Magic Bullet", what's good for those that use it is good for those that don't. From what I can see it has truly helped open the doors to Kite Buggying on the beaches of Washington as it had originally been presented and forum members such as myself helped rally our funds to sponsor the clubs insurance dilema, but beyond that I have not really heard anything else from the organization.

nocando - 26-7-2011 at 12:43 AM

Hi Flexi, with regard to events and land owners, you will most probably find landowners to be possibly sympathetic
to your cause, as they are not immune from doing it tough.
As a member of a MTB club we have held events which finish on private land.
The deal was 5$ a head which was incorporated into entry costs, at some meets 200+ riders= a good earn
All were winners.

ripsessionkites - 26-7-2011 at 02:38 AM

in NorCal, speak with Dino ... i heard of a few beaches that you can use.

dunno about the SOD farm but Dino could host an event there and use the Napka Insurance

anyone can host an event if they have access to a location. its there for you everyone to use, just use it.

i would like to see ever event start using it, WBB, Cheezeball, etc etc.

Does anyone remember the NWBA days? Damn I'm getting old.

Look what Europe as has done having an governing body.

If you have issues with land access, present this to the Napka. Why fight the cause alone, get a voice / group behind you and have Napka work for you.

I assume most don't visit the Napka page, as everyone just locates here. I swear the section is coming soon.

g00fba11 - 26-7-2011 at 03:59 AM

I can't wait for the NAPKA page. Hopefully with NAPKA being more front and center we all will learn about the benefits and how to use them and grow the organization from those that started it. I just joined July 7th, 2011.

bugymangp - 26-7-2011 at 05:12 AM

i just sent in my dues today.
sorry for the delay
glenn us #105

BeamerBob - 26-7-2011 at 07:08 AM

I guess I've arranged a half dozen or more "events" since I got into flying and they were all on public beaches in FL, SC, and GA. All were informal with no fees and no benefits other than being around like minded folks that were passionate about kiting, boarding, and buggying. Only 1 of these "events" met with a beach use permission issue at Fort Clinch State Park in FL. It looked like the NAPKRA cavalry was going to come in and lend some support but after an email or 2, I was on my own. Maybe it was a hopeless situation from the beginning and I'm not sure what could've been done, but no one jumped in front of me on the firing line even for a minute.

I guess more of the point of my original post here was that for my $40 last year, I got no perceivable benefits other than a nice membership card, and wonder if there might be any in the coming year. Is this an investment that will provide growing benefits to members in coming years as numbers and strength grow in time?

Understand, I'm not saying no to NAPKA, but rather looking for reasons that the rank and file kiters out there that aren't going to host an event or compete in European competitions, can use in their head to say, "yeah! I want to be part of that!".

van - 26-7-2011 at 07:14 AM

I've just joined NAPKA earlier this year so have not had the chance to find out what it can do for me or my little area here on the Gulf Coast. I think the main reason dues aren't being renewed is because NAPKA seems to be just a website that you go to donate $40. The newsletter and constant communications to members would help to let members know that the organization is alive and well. I've actually forgotten that the organization exists until I saw this thread. When I was at NABX, I did not see anything about NAPKA ... did I miss it?? Are there monthly meetings scheduled to discuss issues? Perhaps a NAPKA sub section on here since everyone is on the site 24/7 like myself ... :evil:

Just some ideas .. If I can help in anyways , I would like to volunteer to help make it a recognizable organization. Bottom line, members have to feel that they are getting something in return , one way or another , even a basic thank you note for joining/renewing.

shehatesmyhobbies - 26-7-2011 at 07:55 AM

I joined NAPKA last year, to help my fellow buggiers. I was also looking forward to the benefits that could be afforded me when I joined. Being one of the organizers of the WBB, I figured that it couldn't hurt and maybe it could help us with insurance. Well it will only help me if all attendees are members of NAPKA, that would only happen with a mass sign up at the event itself. Sure some of us had already joined, but to get 75 others to join just so then can attend might be a little tough. I don't want to take away from what the bash is already, and sure don't want to push others away because they don't want to join the organization. We don't have any beach use issues, as a matter of fact they love having the group there! We do need insurance, but how do I get all the attendees to join and not push people away.

sunset-Jim - 26-7-2011 at 08:11 AM

It was awesome how a lot of people rallied behind what is happening in Washington. But to be honest, it wasn't the club that did that. It was the hard work and diligence of a very small group of people (mostly 1 person), with the help and support of a club behind them. Hopefully nobody has the belief that the club was set up for the Washington cause. The club was already going when this cause came up and just happened to be the first land issue that came up where such a club in place was able to be an essential factor to make things happen. This can happen for anybody and anywhere. We all win no matter where the battles are taking place. That being said, land issues is only part of what the club is about.

Most of you might recall that the club was originally set up as a racing club to become part of the rest of the world in the racing arena. Since then it has expanded to include all powerkiting activities. The racing is still in place and still has a long way to go to reach the goals that are set forth. But now the racing is only a part of the club. With the expansion of anything and everything powerkite related, it's only limited by our imaginations on the possibilities. What we should be asking ourselves is not what can or what has the club done for me? But maybe more of "What can I do, with this kind of club (my kiting community) supporting me"? Or maybe even "What can a group of united and organized powerkiting enthusiast accomplish"?

I could be wrong, I can't read Monty's mind (hell, sometimes he can't either :) ) but what struck me in what he had stated was perhaps more of the lack in total participation in the members. We as members make or break this unity.

There are some very valid points and questions being brought up in this thread, which is great. This is exactly the type of participation I'm talking about. There are definitely some wrinkles to work out. If the organization isn't following thru on something or something needs to be improved, by all means speak up and be heard. It's involvement that keeps things alive.

Morrie Williams - 26-7-2011 at 08:15 AM

Van,

Everyone who has ever joined NAPKA has received an email from me with information about accessing the website and thanking them for being a member.

In general,

What do you - the possible members - expect from an organization?

What are you willing to do for an organization? (Keep in mind that unless the organization has a large enough budget to support paid officials, it will be run by volunteers.)

Do you want a newsletter? Are you willing to provide articles?

Have you ever been denied access to flying areas due to lack of insurance? (There have been areas in Washington and Louisiana were insurance was required for access.)

It really comes down to this: any organization requires support by it's members, both monetary and physical/volunteering. Without that support, no organization can continue.

It's really up to you. Do you think there is need for an organization to represent traction kiting and if so are you willing to help?

Just my 2 cents.

Morrie

ripsessionkites - 26-7-2011 at 09:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
I guess I've arranged a half dozen or more "events" since I got into flying and they were all on public beaches in FL, SC, and GA. All were informal with no fees and no benefits other than being around like minded folks that were passionate about kiting, boarding, and buggying. Only 1 of these "events" met with a beach use permission issue at Fort Clinch State Park in FL. It looked like the NAPKRA cavalry was going to come in and lend some support but after an email or 2, I was on my own. Maybe it was a hopeless situation from the beginning and I'm not sure what could've been done, but no one jumped in front of me on the firing line even for a minute.

I guess more of the point of my original post here was that for my $40 last year, I got no perceivable benefits other than a nice membership card, and wonder if there might be any in the coming year. Is this an investment that will provide growing benefits to members in coming years as numbers and strength grow in time?

Understand, I'm not saying no to NAPKA, but rather looking for reasons that the rank and file kiters out there that aren't going to host an event or compete in European competitions, can use in their head to say, "yeah! I want to be part of that!".


@ Beaver, I'm going to strip your 88 numbers from ya. j/k BRO.
maybe in the past you were let down but not now.

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we're not all mind readers or one individual but if there is something that needs to be addressed send it my way until Im President no more or Dead.

i know i make a lot reference to Euro, but seriously have a read over at GPA, BCH, BSKA. look what they have done and what we can become here.

if WBB doesn't needs insurance no one is asking for them to join Napka. sorry if my statement was to get everyone to join Napka but thats not the reason.

Nabx is its own event, and has its own insurance and such. their solid already.

anyways Morrie / Jim made some valid points. the decision is yours.

van - 26-7-2011 at 10:32 AM

Morrie .. I remember getting that email from you .. thanks. What I meant is the organization, need to somehow reach out more on a monthly basis to "pre-thank " them and remind them to renew their membership. Almost sound like SPAM but sometimes it's nice to hear something from the organization so we know it's still active. I have not receive any emails since I've joined so will most likely forget to renew if it wasn't automatically withdrawn from my Paypal. How much of that money is going towards insurance?? Are there any left for other benefits? How about a discount of some sort for members?? I'm sure we can get some sponsors to help drive members into the club.

Let me offer this to all members of NAPKA .... 10% off anything you buy from me?? :tumble: So join now!!! Help NAPKA grow !!!

stetson05 - 26-7-2011 at 10:34 AM

I don't know for sure but I think in years past a couple of people, one for sure, fronted the money for the insurance and hoped to be reimbursed by the dues. I don't think the person (not Monty) was completely reimbursed and I think that might be where the shirttales comment comes in.

I myself don't know everything that NAPKA can do. I understand that races were covered and also scheduled practices for races. Maybe there could a practice field instead of practice dates (speculation). I could be wrong so someone could correct me, but if there was a place that needed insurance to ride it could be for practices. That might be better for the numbers Flexiblade was talking about. Maybe the practice could be for NABX.

Looking_Up - 26-7-2011 at 10:41 AM

Just 2 cents from the peanut gallery

I am a member of the ama for model airplanes we pay dues receive a monthly mag or newsletter same thing and we are covered under insurance if we follow a few simple rules this applies no mater where we fly it is all liability and the amount depends on if we fall into the park or full category I will volunteer to wright an article about my learning experiences each month or safety or product review whatever
That being said we cannot fly at an event unless we are members 40 dollars is nothing for dues it should probably be more especially if we get some kind of coverage the more united we become the more powerful we are in all respects it is our duty to support our sport and we shouldn't be worried about offending people it should be more of a requirement than an option u can count on my dues and I can't fill a hand with the kiters inside 300 miles of my location

van - 26-7-2011 at 10:47 AM

Just out of curiosity .... why wasn't the NAPKA insurance somehow used at NABX?? I was told part of my attendance fee went towards insurance?? Could part of the NABX fees go towards a NAPKA membership so that everyone attending is then covered by NAPKA insurance?? just confused .. maybe someone can clear that up for me :)

shehatesmyhobbies - 26-7-2011 at 11:36 AM

Ricardo, We want insurance at the WBB, If NAPKA can help with that, then please help me to figure out how we can get this done. I am open to ideas, and would prefer not to have an outside "insurance" company confuse me with a lot of big words. It has grown tremendously in size and we don't want to push people away or tell them they cannot participate if they are not members. I can try and help and get more people to join if that is what it takes. Maybe we need to chat on the phone. I want to be an active member of NAPKA and help to broaden the horizon of this sport, but I don't want to have the "club" mentality that says hey sorry, you can't participate because you are not a member. I just want to have fun and be protected at the same time.

I love this sport and only want to help preserve the sport and the places we ride. I understand what NAPKA is trying to do.

jellis - 26-7-2011 at 11:44 AM

Beamerbob the lack of help for you in Florida was totally my fault. I did not follow up on your problem and tried to hand your issue off to another officer of the club. I appolloze.

The club today has great officers that are responsive to members needs. They do need your wants and needs to guide the club in that direction. Like Morrie said, they are all volunteers and I believe they do their jobs because they are passionate about our sport. For that I want to thank them.

NAPKA has lots of resources,from safety guides, basic right away guides, emergency action plans, open member list to see who is near you, banners ready to ship to you for your event, insurance for land owners to allow bugging for events big or small, there is in place a guide ready for safety training for power kiting, one of the reasons for our buggy numbering system is that you can now be identified and can be held responsible for your actions and not the whole power kiting community ,NAPKA is a non profit corp and hopefully business sponcers from the power kiting manufacturing sector will step up and help the sport they depend on, web page work, insurance acquisition, and more that makes me proud to tell anyone ""I AM A MEMBER AND SUPPORTER OF NAPKA"
Jon Ellis US08

Morrie Williams - 26-7-2011 at 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by van
Just out of curiosity .... why wasn't the NAPKA insurance somehow used at NABX?? I was told part of my attendance fee went towards insurance?? Could part of the NABX fees go towards a NAPKA membership so that everyone attending is then covered by NAPKA insurance?? just confused .. maybe someone can clear that up for me :)


NABX came years before NAPKA. They have their own insurance and have never asked NAPKA for help. Our insurance policy only covers NAPKA members.

van - 26-7-2011 at 12:58 PM

more reason for NABX attendees to become members of NAPKA ... just sayin...

ripsessionkites - 26-7-2011 at 01:39 PM

A lot of dealers here honor the Napka member discounts.

WELDNGOD - 26-7-2011 at 02:31 PM

I thought it was gonna come outta my paypal account automatically. I got no prob payin the dues, but I would like to see something for my money. I have been banned from my local fly spot(been going there 6 yrs.) because of the "northeastern beach tiger beetle" . But it's not on the west coast and only affects 1 member . So ,I understand NAPKA can't really help me.
Is it worth 40 bucks to say I'm pilot#US187. No..... well maybe if I had somewhere to be a pilot.
Is the shiny ,plastic card w/ my mug on it worth 40 bucks? No, not around here....
Maybe NAPKA should offer bail bondsmen for those poor bastards like me who have to go trespass to have a place to ride. Then ,it might be worth it.
I don't feel like I'm part of anything, I feel like a monetary donor.....

rocfighter - 26-7-2011 at 02:45 PM

I tried to sign up quite a while ago. But I need some one with computer skills (like one of the kids) to do the magic parts. I can't get the pictures in or figure out some of the forms. I will work harder at this and get it done. Do they still need a good photo? I have a good one my daughter put on face books but it won't transpher to the form.:(

DAKITEZ - 26-7-2011 at 04:17 PM

whats in it for me? ... whats in it for me? Come on people, I know this is the famous American way, but can we work together as a whole here? Lets think about the sport! Maybe napka is not parting the waters at the moment, and who knows maybe it never will, but isn't it worth a try to get a governing body to try and help the sport you love? How many people are members of NRA??? Would you feel better if you were charged $80 a year and got a bumper sticker and monthly newsletter? Then you could say you got something!
I like to think of it as an investment in my future of kiting (almost like insurance!!! what do you get from your insurance company with each month you pay them??? I know ... its another bill next month!) Maybe napka is not helping your specific problem this second, or maybe you do not have a problem at the moment. But you never know when one day you might and your investment through the years pays off when someone comes to help bail you out.

As for events .... we get charged to go to nabx. it is not free and I know part of this money goes for insurance. Other events can do the same. $40 entry fee and you get a free 1 year membership to napka LOL
I have not read on the insurance situation lately, but maybe there is something in there for bystanders for events??

I am not pointing at anyone nor am I speaking to any one person. I am just trying to share my point of view on this

Dino US76

g00fba11 - 26-7-2011 at 04:52 PM

I think Dino just made the best point in this topic so far. This is an investment in your and my kiting future.

Drewculous along with nocando have shown their generosity in a t-shirt give away in the for sale section.

I also want to see NAPKA grow. Sponsorship of a fellow flyer is another way to introduce people to NAPKA and to help grow its ranks. Sponorship is a way many organizations have grown in the past. Who is willing to make this investment?

I would like those of you have have joined PKF and this great sport in the last year to sound off if you would like to join NAPKA. (I am not trying to keep anyone out of this I just had to draw a line in the sand.......)

What I will do is to put all those names that reply into a hat and draw one name out and I will sponsor your dues for one year. That's right I will set you up with your first years dues.

My challenge: First to my fellow NAPKA members..... do the same and sponsor a new flyer...... the forum has always been known to support new flyers with ideas on gear and how to's as well as help them out when they show up for events. All you have to do is read the pages here to know that is true.

Second. I challenge all those that get sponsored to keep up there membership when it becomes time for dues next year. I also challenge you to step up with your individual talents to help NAPKA grow.

I think when you get down to PKF and NAPKA are about the same thing, kiters helping kiters. I maybe over simplifying but that is why I joined.

I am presently on vacation in Brunswick, GA visiting Jekyll Island and many other wonderful spots.

I will be home from vacation on August 2nd. I will have my wife draw the name of the person I will sponsor on Wednesday the 3rd and post on winner's aka on the forum. I will U2U you so you can go to NAPKA and fill out the forms and get those sent in. Once done I will send in your $40 for your membership dues.

So as they say........ LET'S ROLL!!!! Let's work together to grow NAPKA.......

Bladerunner - 26-7-2011 at 05:05 PM

WG,

I remember you speaking about the team of 1 thing last year and I was amazed you joined. I can see how folks that are going it alone don't see a lot of need in membership. Joining is sort of giving your money away but your money helped grow the sport by helping make the total required to exist ! By existing, NAPKA has been able to insure events + give Ricky the minimum requirments to race overseas. Something available to any NAPKA member who is serious about racing. We all want to see our sport become more legitimate and I think your money helped in that.

It IS possible to have an NAPKA event for 1. I think poor Fletch has attended them?

Poor Morrie was stuck with the unfortunate job of reminding us it is time to follow up on a commitment. I'm sorry people made the task even less easy for the poor volunteer that is just doing what we asked him to do. :no:

B'bob seems to be the only person who has had a bad experience working with NAPKA and it seems there is an explanation for that. It is an assosiation that is creating itself. Like the others have said, how it can help you depends on what you need and how much you want to help it all happen.

SOBB, DBB, and ... have all been around for a long time without requiring insurance but it is a new world and a growing sport.

I see events like WBB growing to such a point that they will need insurance. NAPKA being established will be valuable then ? I see contributing that $40 a few years as help making NAPKA and established / respected body that has been around for ... years with a good track record. Not just established overnight. Something that folks deciding if you can use the spot want to see!

NAPKA doesn't cripple an event from growth. People can sign a waiver on site to participate in learning + tandem rides. You only need to be an official member if you want to ride .

WELDNGOD - 26-7-2011 at 06:40 PM

I'm still in, my autopay was set up last yr. when I joined. nothings changed. Everybody go ride and have a good time, Think about us less fortunate kiters once in a while. Enjoy your local spot.....For one day...... You too,could become
an OUTLAW KITER!:ninja: "I'm the posterchild for what having zero backing can do to your ability to do what we do." sux.....

heliboy50 - 26-7-2011 at 06:57 PM

Personally, I think getting the number I wanted was worth at least $38 of it:evil: The smaller the organization, the more it is going to rely on the generosity and efforts of it's membership. A newsletter would be way cool. Contributions, suggested subjects, pics? What file format? PDF? I'd help with it. You want napka member stickers, I might know a guy.

shehatesmyhobbies - 26-7-2011 at 07:10 PM

I am still in! I believe I am also on auto pay. I believe in what NAPKA is doing, I just need to figure out how to make it fit where I need it!

Goofball, I am up to that challenge! I will do the same. If someone wants in, let me know and I will sponsor them!

Wasn't trying to come off like a complainer earlier, just trying to please WBB participants!

RonH - 26-7-2011 at 08:30 PM

Save NAPKA... From ourselves?

It is tough to get something like NAPKA going and to keep it going. I think there are lots of supporters in the community and quite a few more that would join if there was something in it for them...

I joined and I am not sure how many NAPKA events I will ever get to. I do see the benefit to power kiters as a whole to have an organization governing events. (Just like the AKA for their events - that we were left out of because of the insurance costs) It can open up new kiting areas and also help keep our favorite fields / beaches open to us.

One of the biggest problems for NAPKA is we are spread out over most of North America. It's hard to give direction when we can't sit down over a beer or 4 and really get things moving.

I volunteered to put together a newsletter and we asked here on PKF for articles and photos - whatever. I had a whopping 2, yes 2, people kind enough to send me stuff. Obviously a newsletter isn't what people want right now. :dunno:

While a newsletter would be nice, forums like PKF sort of kill the need for one as much of what we could print is already here.

I think we need to give our fellow kiters a reason to want to join up. Till that happens, things will not be able to change much in what NAPKA is and does.

greasehopper - 26-7-2011 at 09:03 PM

I'm not gettin' the joke here folks... what's all the buzz about ?

I understand, perhaps better than most, that for many this is a uniquely personal endeavor of learning and growth, of broadening horizons and building relationships, of learning to harness the power of something much greater than we may ever fully appreciate. I understand there is a spider web-like thread that binds us together and is only enhanced by the camaraderie of impromptu meet ups, major events and forums like this one. I understand there is a "family vibe" here that typically manifests only in an atmosphere of understanding and acceptance between kindred souls.

In 3 decades of life experience on several continents in several roles, I've only seen this twice and both time were... shall we say, life threatening circumstances that required the utmost in genuine concern for the well being of the group as a whole to ensure personal survival.

This "game" needs some unity and player support to represent us as something more than a very narrow, eclectic and sparsely scattered segment of today's society. It's about unity, about supporting brothers and sisters, about a shared identity, about a sense of community.

Now, ask yourself 'What's in it for me ?' and see what you get...

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

fletcht - 26-7-2011 at 10:09 PM

Reading all these post, then looking at all the posts Under "land use issues" having an organization can help. It is the only reason we have been able to open the eyes of folks here in Washington. Yes, this year has been a set back, Calm digs and budget issues have been a set back. But we have opened up dates for flying on Washington beaches, which has not been allowed for years. We will continue only if NAPKA continues. NAPKA has given credibility to us as a group, as well as the insurance. When I work with the folks from State parks, they were impressed with the rules that have been set up, our guidelines, etc. It gave us a foot in the door. The insurance got us in. I read of many of you with land issues, I believe it will only get worse. Unfortunately, we live in a sue happy country, public, and private landowners are not going to take a chance. If we can show them that we are part of an organized group with safety guidelines, they will look twice. If we can show them that our organization also has insurance that releases them of liability they will look again. It is not about "me", it is about making our sport credible. Here in Washington, we file an insurance binder with Sate parks for the year, and then schedule dates through a special permit system. Yes, I hope this gets changed, but in the interim, it gets us out there. even if it is only for a couple of folks at a time.

I'm off my soapbox, and ramblings. Again everyone, we need to look at the big picture, and not about what it has done for "me" as an individual. A last note, here in Washington, we had a special event, sponsored by the International Kite Museum, It could not have happened if we did not have NAPKA.

flexiblade - 26-7-2011 at 11:57 PM

This all started based off what I viewed as a rather curtly worded message reminding members to "pay up". I took offense to the lack of acknowledgement of said statement. As to the validity of NAPKA, I think the land issue previously stated by fletcht is the most important aspect of NAPKA's role - the rub in it that bothered me most was the simple fact that there are only a handful of people that are actually using the insurance and I have yet to hear a proper thank you from them. Instead I have heard nothing but defensive statements from them. I payed my membership to help bolster the numbers of the NAPKA entity and to give the people fighting for access the powerful tool of insurance as leverage. I didn't do it for me, but I feel those that have benefited most have failed in their grace towards the other members of their club.

Bladerunner - 27-7-2011 at 06:32 AM

I vote Flexiblade for next years push to get numbers to equal our costs !

Morrie is a Volunteer who is doing his best. Give the man a break and take the nasty task up for him next year !

Nobody wants to have people all over them when they are just trying to do what we ask of them.

Morrie works very hard . We would all be better off trying to support him than pick his words apart.

BeamerBob - 27-7-2011 at 07:19 AM

Dino, very well said. I guess that's what I was asking a NAPKA official to say. Those of us that hold kiting and buggying as a large part of our life are going to join because we feel like that's what we are supposed to do. As we move outside that circle, the motivation to spend the money diminishes quickly. Our small circle might keep enough in the coffers to keep the insurance active, but we can't really grow the association to the next level. For that, we have to have something to offer the members to entice them in. Maybe we are still in the infancy stage of this endeavor and keeping NAPKA breathing is enough for now.

Jellis, I appreciate your apology and taking responsibility. Not many have the character and self confidence to do that. I had high hopes up front on my issue and was thrilled to have someone step in and say they could help. As it moved forward, I realized we didn't have so much of a team but a few individuals that hoped to be able to help, without pay and in their spare time. Maybe someday we can grow NAPKA to the point where it is a force to be reckoned with.

I'm out of town right now, but will be back to my home computer to re up in plenty of time. If I end up in the paper again because someone snaps my picture from the interstate with a dust trail behind me, I want my number plates to prove it was me!

flyguy0101 - 27-7-2011 at 08:43 AM

I am currently not a member of NAPKA, but intend to change that and will join shortly. My question with this after reading the BSKA website is- Do we have a similiar organization already in north america that focuses on kitesurfing. I think it is obvious that there are a lot more folks who fly on the water vs land and also that activity has a larger awareness in the general public. If such an orginazation already exists maybe we should focus on becoming a part of it and if it does not maybe that needs to be added to the NAPKA charter so as to really allow the organization a significant larger pool of potential members. I have been a member of American Whitewater for the last 20 yrs even though i have not been in my kayak in the last 5 on any serious water, I support them so that when my boys are older they will still have the opportunity to paddle some of the rivers i have. (although I would guess that maybe 10% of whitewater boaters are members). W must all realize that united we all have a better chance for land access. Insurance to remove liabilty from landowners allowing us to access their land is huge, it could also be the piece that would allow this organization to really grow if it were possible for event organizers to use NAPKA as a "one stop shop" to acquire the insurance for their events. This would promote membership and i think it would be a viable option assuming that each participant is required to register for the event not nec. be a member of NAPKA. I know that when i was promoting Mtn Bike races in the late 80s that NORBA would provide insurance for the event and if a rider was not a norba member they were required to pay an add'l $10 for a weekend membership those funds were used to offset the cost i paid as a promoter for the insurance. Its just a thought but what if each promoter was able to get the insurance needs through one insurer under the subheading of NAPKA. the insurance company would most likely offer better rates sbecause the underwriters would be able to have a track record. I am meeting with my business insurance agent tommorrow and will ask him about this nd see if he or his company would be interested in the business.
Scott

Morrie Williams - 27-7-2011 at 08:53 AM

I would personally like to thank EVERY ONE who paid dues in 2010 to allow us to purchase the liability insurance required for our continued existance. 95% of those dues went toward the price of insurance.

Without that insurance there wouldn't have been 8 WA beach events, a World Kite Museum event, a Sod Farm event, and open buggying at a Louisiana university. All of the participants want to thank all our members.

I'd also like to thank all those who have paid thier dues this year, plus all those who still plan to pay their dues.

We can't make it without your help.

This is the second buggy organization that my wife Kelci and I have been involved in. The first was the NorthWest Buggy Pilots Association (NWBPA). I was president, she was treasurer and we wrote the newsletter with help from some of the members. After 6 years we dicided to let someone else take over the reins. Once this happened it all fell apart and disolved in a few years.

I guess what I'm saying is that it can't be just a few people that are working to keep an organization going. Without all the members' commitment to keep an organization alive and growing, it will not survive

Now I'll turn the soapbox over to someone else.

Thanks,
Morrie

BeamerBob - 27-7-2011 at 09:14 AM

Thank YOU Morrie!

bigkid - 27-7-2011 at 10:26 AM

Thanks to all who have been part of this group in what ever small or large part. I know personally the hard work of a few and the hopes of the many. And it goes unsaid that we never say thank you enough.
With the group of NAPKA along with PNWBA,(pacific north west blokart association) we have achieved great things because of a few hard workers who did it because they enjoy the sport. With out the rest of you all we would not have the numbers to pull it off. Again thank you.
I don't want to see our hard work fall to the wayside because the group doesn't benefit a few members or future members. We are only as good or as strong as our leaders. Without direction or enthusiasm from the leadership, the group will fight with out direction, not good.
What can I do to help the group now you ask? Join.
I am a paying member of both groups. When someone buys a blokart they get the first years membership FREE. Than they ask why join the group, after a half hour on the phone explaining, they are happy to be part of us.
PNWBA would not be here today if it wasn't for NAPKA opening the door for Washington State beaches. We have a smaller number of members than NAPKA, but we have 2 groups working for a common goal.
Other groups of wind powered sports have been in contact with us to see if they can join in to help.
You may feel left out and to far away to benefit from being in the group, but trust me when I say you are greatly appreciated. Some of us that have been behind the scene have not heard to many thank yous either.
I know my reason isn't for a pat on the back or a thank you, but to spread the sport as much as possible.
just my 2 cents.

Jeff
NAPKA-US52
PNWBA-US20NW

flexiblade - 27-7-2011 at 08:59 PM

Thank yous to Morrie and Bigkid and the others who see the value of those who support them. To Bladerunner - I take up that challenge by asking shehatesmyhobbies that if WBB is held 2 times a year would it be possible for there to be an entrance fee of $20 for each event or $40 for just one - with the added bonus that once made a NAPKA member that entrance to other NAPKA sponsored events would then be free. When I went to NABX I had no problem in paying the $50 registration fee - the fee didn't entitle me to anything for the remainder of the year, what it did entitle me to was a good time surrounded by like minded people enjoying a unique past time. No problem paying for that - makes me think that those attending WBB would feel the same.

To make the challenge that NAPKA faces more tangible to its members I would ask that the governing body help its members fully understand its plight by publishing a comprehensive list of its incurred insurance cost (type of insurance as well) - budget outline - and members current numbers and projected numbers to overcome budgetary gaps. This will give us all a glimpse to the difficulties facing NAPKA and give voice to possible solutions. As the governing body it is your final decision on how these issues will be dealt with, but as a member I need to know what the problem is before I can lend a hand. I will be renewing my membership as of the 5th - when my auto paypal transaction processes.

Again, from all the members of NAPKA, we appreciate the acknowledgement. :)

Looking_Up - 28-7-2011 at 06:42 AM

This is screaming monthly newsletter I am not a writer but would be happy to participate with an article of some type or a video hot to or something
I would still be considered novice in depower and traction all changing as we speak but I fly fixed bridle static really well
Just trying to do my part I think it is a good thing that if we don't get behind will crumble it needs to grow

ripsessionkites - 28-7-2011 at 07:14 AM

right now your $40 gives you

- event insurance
- membership card
- racing / buggy numbers
- access to the NAPKA forum

once we start banking we can than go forward to doing more.

maybe its time to hunt for more sponsors. hehehehe. Dino pay up!!!

flexiblade - 28-7-2011 at 08:24 AM

Thanks for the info, but I was thinking something more detailed as to the actual monetary budget of the club, income and it's incurred costs broken down into specific instances. Along with a # of current members and a projected goal of prospective members. Pretty much the stuff I asked for in my previous post.

flyguy0101 - 28-7-2011 at 10:44 AM

FYI- I just spoke with my commercial insurance agent regarding the idea of liabilty insurance for the organization as well as individual events and based on his information. i think that all events should be sactioned under the NAPKA umbrella. This would lower the cost for each evewnt individually because the insurer would base the premium on 7-8 events or what ever there are vs the minimums for each individual event. Case and point (numbers are examples only) one policy would provide coverage for 8 events irrevellant of membership or not (participant waiver form required) at $1500 for the year vs 4-500 if insuring each event individually. As for the promoters, i commend your work but question your sanity of running an event without insurance. Does not matter if it is just a "gathering" or not, if something happens you could easily be on the hook for liability or at least huge headaches.
I believe it is imparitive that we (kiters) as a group stand behind NAPKA and begin to realize that as this sport grows and more yahoos/ problems arise, we will want an organization that can represent us in a positive light.
scott
ps I look forward to discussing this in more detail with Angus this weekend

WELDNGOD - 28-7-2011 at 02:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bladerunner
WG

It IS possible to have an NAPKA event for 1. I think poor Fletch has attended them?


I gotta know more about this Bladey:wow:

Krohn1999 - 28-7-2011 at 02:56 PM

Living in Germany I have nothing from being a member (except the questions why I have US13 on my buggy), but I will continue to support NAPKA and hope it will someday grow like the GPA, BCH........ Btw The GPA (Germany) just hit the 2000 member mark.
Here in Germany we really only have 2 beaches where we can ride, but the GPA has been able to lease a beach for everyone (members or not) in Romo Denmark. I don't even want to guess how many people learned how to buggy there.

Wihthout a buggy club you have no chance to go and get spots opened up to bugging. What happened in WA could happen in other states, and with a strong club to help you, your chances are that much better.

I will continue to support the club in anyway I can even though I am overseas so why should anyone living in the US or Canada even think about not supporting NAPKA??

ripsessionkites - 28-7-2011 at 03:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Krohn1999
Living in Germany I have nothing from being a member (except the questions why I have US13 on my buggy), but I will continue to support NAPKA and hope it will someday grow like the GPA, BCH........ Btw The GPA (Germany) just hit the 2000 member mark.
Here in Germany we really only have 2 beaches where we can ride, but the GPA has been able to lease a beach for everyone (members or not) in Romo Denmark. I don't even want to guess how many people learned how to buggy there.

Wihthout a buggy club you have no chance to go and get spots opened up to bugging. What happened in WA could happen in other states, and with a strong club to help you, your chances are that much better.

I will continue to support the club in anyway I can even though I am overseas so why should anyone living in the US or Canada even think about not supporting NAPKA??


well said!!!

This also allowed Krohn to enter World Cup as well being with NAPKA.

correction: its not just a BUGGY CLUB, this also includes Flyboarders and Traction kiters.

having NAPKA we can educate as well.

as requested we are working on the finance charts.

Krohn1999 - 28-7-2011 at 04:05 PM

Sorry, Kite sport club!!

what ever you want to call it, I don't care just support it!!

Yea thats right it got me into my first World cup and has made it known that North America is also into Kiting, so keep showing that you exist and support NAPKA!!

Krohn1999 - 28-7-2011 at 04:07 PM

hey rip do I get my ten bucks now??

fletcht - 28-7-2011 at 04:10 PM

Quote:
I gotta know more about this Bladey


Maybe I can answer, I don't want to put words in Ken's mouth however. Some of our events, during the last two years, that have been held on Washington beaches, have been low attendance. Myself on some days, Morrie, Big Kid on others. Last year, I had a few days being the only one out there on some days. This year I didn't make as many, but Morrie and/or Big Kid may have been the only one out. That being said, these events were not set up, necessarily, with the intention that there would be many out at any given time. Folks that could make it did, We had a number of open dates, and part of the idea was to show Parks, and others, that opening up the beaches to wind powered sports was not going to create a takeover of the beaches. If they are open all the time, on any given weekend there could only be one or two folks out playing. So, that was part of the plan. Having more open days this year, gave Parks a more realistic situation.
Since these were special permit events through our Parks dept. they required an organization and insurance, when the laws get changed, this would not be an issue.

In addition, I would like to thank all current, and potential members of NAPKA, it has helped us here in Washington. Without it we would not have been able to introduce our sport to a lot of folks, in a very positive light.

In addition 2, August 13 - 18 is our last scheduled event. This runs at the same time as the Washington International Kite festival. Looks to be a fun week on the peninsula, Blues and seafood, on Saturday, Jazz and Oysters on Sunday, kites Monday through Sunday. So, plenty to do when the wind isn't blowing or to dark to see.
Hope to see folks out there.
We will try to schedule some events in the Fall and winter this year.

Bladerunner - 28-7-2011 at 05:07 PM

Thanks for clarifying that statement fletch !


Washington is sort of a backwards answer to WG's problem but an example of an NAPKA event of 1.

Is it possible for WG to apply for pemitts at his location using NAPKA banner and insurance. He doesn't have to say he is the only kiter ?

As I see it, Even a SINGLE kiter cruising the beach with #'s and being safe is a HUGE advertisment for our sport ! The only way we will get others to join that haven't seen the sport? I would hope NAPKA could support you ???

:wee:

shehatesmyhobbies - 28-7-2011 at 06:00 PM

Flexi, I like the way you think. Maybe I will put up a post and make this a proposal to the attendees. Most of them want the insurance, what better way to do it.

silvereaglekiter - 3-8-2011 at 10:47 AM

pay-pal'ed my 40$ do I still need to snail mail my waver or is last year's still good?

kitemaker4 - 3-8-2011 at 12:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by silvereaglekiter
pay-pal'ed my 40$ do I still need to snail mail my waver or is last year's still good?


You need to send the filled out waver for this year and also send Angus a picture for your membership card.

Susan (npw goddess)

mougl - 3-8-2011 at 04:31 PM

Membership form, waiver, passport style picture, and dues sent!


NAPKA US357

WELDNGOD - 3-8-2011 at 05:23 PM

autopay cancelled. However,it was set up again w/ today's date . It would have been 2 more wks. before it renewed. Gotta send waiver and piccy still.

silvereaglekiter - 3-8-2011 at 07:38 PM

10-4:bigok:

Morrie Williams - 3-8-2011 at 08:30 PM

Thanks everyone for getting your renewals and memberships in early. Thanks to you we're in position to pay our insurance for another year.

Thanks again,
Morrie

DAKITEZ - 3-8-2011 at 09:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mougl
Membership form, waiver, passport style picture, and dues sent!


NAPKA US357


You and Screwfits will almost match at nabx ... his number is also 357 for nabx just missing the US

BeamerBob - 3-8-2011 at 09:37 PM

More on the way in a day or 2. I've gotta get the H140 numbers off my buggy next week so I need to be official with US88.

ripsessionkites - 3-8-2011 at 10:33 PM

Beaver is paying the late fee or i get to change his numbers to anything I want. :wee:

thank you everyone for your continued support.

flexiblade - 4-8-2011 at 09:23 PM

Just curious as to the progress on the data that was requested a week ago.

Quote:
Originally posted by flexibladeTo make the challenge that NAPKA faces more tangible to its members I would ask that the governing body help its members fully understand its plight by publishing a comprehensive list of its incurred insurance cost (type of insurance as well) - budget outline - and members current numbers and projected numbers to overcome budgetary gaps. This will give us all a glimpse to the difficulties facing NAPKA and give voice to possible solutions. As the governing body it is your final decision on how these issues will be dealt with, but as a member I need to know what the problem is before I can lend a hand. I will be renewing my membership as of the 5th - when my auto paypal transaction processes.


I would like to hear other members feelings on this as well - am I being unreasonable in this request?

csa_deadon - 5-8-2011 at 12:18 AM

flexiblade in my opinion I do not believe you are being unreasonable at all. Every organization be it government, corporate, nonprofit, etc publishes a budget for their fiscal year, or biennium. Most are required by law with the exception of the corporate world, which is driven by the share holder.

I have to agree with flexi on this. NAPKA is going to live or die by the membership. In order for the membership to help NAPKA must keep us informed. But we as members must also keep the organization informed of our needs as well.

At this point I believe a monthly newsletter is not a viable option (as much as we/I would like it to be). The AKA publishes quarterly I believe, and they have been doing their thing for a lot longer with a larger membership.

If you are a current member go to the NAPKA site and post on the forum what you want to see in the organization, what direction you would like to see it head in. Let the elected leaders of the organization know what you want, need, etc. Just talk to them.

NAPKA leadership, you in need to listen to the membership, and let them know what's happening.

Bottom line is leadership and membership need to work together on this, cause we are in this sport together.

Now git in your buggys and ride! :smilegrin:

ripsessionkites - 5-8-2011 at 01:47 AM

the data that you requested is being completed by both Morrie and I.

its taking some time because we have go through the books to get gather all the data so its correct.

give me about a week to finish it.

shehatesmyhobbies - 5-8-2011 at 12:23 PM

Payment is in! Had to change the re-up date! I will make it for a little earlier next year

acampbell - 5-8-2011 at 03:02 PM

Insurance is being set up for renewal as we all speak and I am working with the insurance broker. Thank you all for sending in payments and it's great to see many setting up automatic renewals. Thanks to Morrie and Kelci for tracking the financials.

Note that we need freshly dated waivers for the new year, even if you filled one out last year. Thanks to all that have sent them. They can be faxed to 800-693-3714. or emailed to me. angus "at" coastalwindsports.com

It is not hard to get insured for an event, or for training for the event (buggy sessions prior to the event because you are "training" for it). Here's how it goes...

Declare an event. A race, fun-fly, Chilli run, Shipwreck Run, Plover Run, rally, whatever.
Let me know if you need a certificate for additional insured for the land-owner or municipality. Give me a few weeks notice. No additional cost for this.
Have members sign up for the event with a clear paper or e-trail that can be documented to show their intent. There do not have to be fees involved, just a documented trail that members declared intent to participate.
Once they are "registered" for the event, members are insured, even for sessions prior to the event because they are "training" for it in their own home turf.

Several have asked me about the type of insurance we have. Our single payment for the year, financed by y'all, covers all events for the year, including additional certificates of insured. Your membership also covers office expenses such as materials for creation of membership cards, mailing, etc.

Thanks again all.

bigkid - 5-8-2011 at 07:35 PM

Thanks Angus, you are one of the unsung heroes :bigok:
Also Thanks to Morrie and Kelci, Great job.

xxxBUGGYPILOTXXX - 7-8-2011 at 11:23 AM

:eekdrull:

Haven't buggied in - - - - - -
HOW LONG!

Yup Life happens:dunno: however I am putting the pennies away( JUST WINDOW SHOPPING @ THIS POINT ) for a NEW BUGGY

someday:puzzled:
:puzzled:LINK REMOVED by request-:puzzled:

Married life,( still working on getting my Aussie Bride FULL US Citizenship:thumbup: )
A new job, 2 new kids* ( Siamese kittens ;) ) my didgeridoo crafting/playing hobby & that other kite thingy I used to do--- oh yeah KiteBoarding:lol: WILL GET BACK too all shortly:P

I don't know exactly when it happened but seems like all of the steam for Kite Buggying in Louisiana has evaporated :puzzled: kayaking seems to be the NEW IN thing.

I'll be putting in my dues as soon as I can. Just hope I haven't lost my NAPKA # for good yet.

Who knows? With luck,prayers & more luck & prayers perhaps the Mrs & I can make it to NABX 2012?

tridude - 7-8-2011 at 11:40 AM

I just registered, paid (annual autopay), and about to email waiver and pic to ACampbell..............now the proud pilot on US 0U812..............waiver and pic emailed to Angus..................:lol::lol::lol::duh::duh::duh:

ripsessionkites - 8-8-2011 at 03:24 AM

Thank you again everyone, I'm almost done the budget reports.

Looking_Up - 10-8-2011 at 08:38 AM

Just curious but there are supposed to be over 5000 members on this forum alone how many are active members and how many napka members are currently paid up just trying to figure out what actual participation is because I like the 5000 number makes me think there are allot of us out there and if so why are we having trouble getting participation in something that really is the future of our sport
by the way I am planning on signing up if I can remember when payday rolls around before other hobbies cut in line

BeamerBob - 10-8-2011 at 11:31 AM

That's everyone that just signed up since the beginning of the forum, not necessarily active particiapants. I imagine not more than a few hundred regular participants currently on the forum.

ripsessionkites - 10-8-2011 at 11:58 AM

finally got it together, sorry I'm very busy between everything I do.


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in 2008 a small number of us decided to get a racing league going and hopes to bring North American buggying to a high level. We need insurance at the time to get events going. Thank you to Jon Ellis who stepped it up to pay the policy himself.

in 2009 we decided to change from "racing only" to make it available for everyone to take part. its our club and we all have a voice. we went from NAPKRA or NAPKA.
the club now belongs to everything land traction has to bring, so whether you're on a buggy or board or just flying around, this club is yours. Thank you to Morrie and Kelci who took on the role of setup up a website and continue to monitor memberships.

as you can see we are growing slowly but surely. its a club for like-minded individuals who all share one passion together, wind and kites.

NAPKA isn't here to tell you how to fly and be, but under a group/club umbrella we work better in numbers. somewhat more official to the officials who have no clue what we do but insist that we are dangerous. I believe every sport as a club this is ours, but there is no captain driving the wheel, its in each of us to do it.

we are moving forward with this, but as you know everything takes time. we have a lot in store, in the coming months and years. Im not comparing us to Euros, but I do try to follow what they have done and how we can improve. I have a lot of support from that side to aid us.

No one is telling you to join, its your choice. Personally I think we should all be united as one. follow the simple rules when you go out to play on the field, beach, wherever.

someone asked me what i get, yes your membership card when ranger joe comes up to you. you can say hi, i belong to this club and we have rules that benefit both the general public and wildlife. if you would like to contact NAPKA here is the information. NAPKA fights the fight for you. SPEAK UP.

Lastly, those that do host events, take advantage of the resources you have with NAPKA. Whats to stop you from putting an event in your area together?

Thank you again for your continued support, whatever you need just remember NAPKA is here to support you too.

~Richard Lui
2011 President

flexiblade - 10-8-2011 at 10:11 PM

Thanks for follow through on that.

The data gives us a better insight to how the organization is doing, and by the look of it the line between the Red and the Black has been crossed (no deficit towards insurance any longer). This is where input from the members, that has been mentioned a lot in this post, must be listened to in order for the organization to keep moving in that direction - to swell the ranks people have to feel a part of something that listens and acknowledges it's members.

Question: If the WWB becomes a sponsored NAPKA event and gets lets say another 20 to 30 people to join NAPKA at the time of the event in order to participate in certain activities, what happens to the proceeds that are not going towards insurance? Is there a fee to use the NAPKA insurance? Can the extra funding be kept locally by said region to supply them with racing paraphernalia, such as cones, flags, officials signature gear (jerseys), or something decided upon by the regional representatives and local members? By the look of it this has been the first time there would be a surplus for the organization. This would be a great first topic for a NAPKA component to the PKF. Thank you and I'll take my answer off the air.

Bladerunner - 11-8-2011 at 06:37 AM

While I am happy to see this question answered I question if it is good policy to post NAPKA info like this on a public site ?

On the other hand I know I was asked about this info by non-NAPKA members locally so maybe it is good to make it this public?

I'm thrilled that NAPKA is promoted here but Somehow this seems like it belongs there not here. Or is it just me?

Similar with what we will do with surplas money , if and when that happens?

Something this shows in pictures is how Jon, Brad, Angus,Morrie and others made huge personal commitments to help us all get to this tipping point! :thumbup:

bobalooie57 - 11-8-2011 at 07:04 AM

I, for one, am happy to see this info here. A Not for Profit organization needs to be open with it's members, and the general public (potential members) in order to maintain transparancy. This reduces the chance for abuse (as one reads about NFP chair-people bringing home 6 and 7 figure incomes) which is most likely not an issue here as all offices are voluntary and elected by the membership. As the information is clear, and available to the reading public, it could aid in convincing others that we are indeed a valid, thriving and engaged organization, thereby attracting new membership. New membership brings new perspectives/ideas, which in turn can spur more opportunities/events, which can attract new membership, thereby keeping the organization/sport growing. As to surplus funds, organizational info, event planning, etc. those are all good topics for the NAPKA forum. Just my 2 cents.

sunset-Jim - 11-8-2011 at 07:49 AM

Flexi, I'm just going to broadly answer your your question. It's always been a givin that club funds are to remain in the club. Does equipment such as you stated fall in that category, of course. And naturally the details of how club funds are spent is decided upon by the club officers. I can assure all that input from club members is always appreciated. Let's say in the example that you stated (but let's make it more general by being any such type event) that such an event had that kind of draw, wouldn't it be obvious that such equipment would be a big benefit for that region? It all falls right into the club goals.

One of the main goals when this club originated as a racing club is to have all regions set up to be able to run regional qualifiers for a North America Championship in order to send representatives to the World Cup. We are still a very long way to reach that level. Not only due to the level of club members needed but also due to the club moving in the direction of encompassing all traction activities. So of course this has moved this particular goal from a "club" goal to a "racing section" of the club, main goal. I guess that's all a wordy way of saying that we would like to see all regions set up with what they need in order to put on their event. It will be the input from those regions that will determine their specific needs and wants. It may not even be racing related anymore. And of course, where there is the most activity is where the most need will be.

ripsessionkites - 12-8-2011 at 03:00 AM

what Sunny J just said

yes, we have spare funding now, so i guess we don't need to beg next year so much. lol.
honestly everyone has a voice for those who are members of NAPKA.

funds can go to anything that furthers the club in any region. each region needs someone to represent it. for example I've been begging Dino to host an event on his local SOD farm if permission. Adam Butpug is also trying to get an event going too, so there is promise there but it needs everyones input.

how i would like to see NAPKA grow:

- national wide traction instructors
- racing / license examiners
- more events throughout canada / use

i think if you put on an event, and if everyone is NAPKA the use of the insurance is free. the non-napka riders would have to pay per use. IMO.

If you host an event, many will come. :yes:

Morrie Williams - 12-8-2011 at 05:48 AM

Ricky, U2U sent.

ripsessionkites - 12-8-2011 at 06:13 AM

Edited: you have to be a Napka member to use the insurance.

tridude - 12-8-2011 at 08:13 PM

una pregunta por favor.........................where do we get our number? Do we have them made or do we receive them from NAPKA?

ripsessionkites - 13-8-2011 at 12:18 AM

Currently you have to get them done yourself. I'm asking Heliboy (Josh) to start doing them for us instead.

tridude - 13-8-2011 at 06:02 PM

thank you Rip.....................are there any guidlines or restrictions I need to know about?

flexiblade - 13-8-2011 at 07:36 PM

ripsessionkites, u2u sent

BeamerBob - 13-8-2011 at 10:01 PM

Angus had a thread a while back talking about letter height, font and such. Seems like Arial or Helvetica with a minimum height of 4.5". I'm getting some next week for the Apexx, so might have something to offer by then. Going to a Fastsigns just down the street.

Napka number plate thread.

tridude - 14-8-2011 at 07:27 PM

sorry those graphics didnt workout BB......................Im going with them but wont be racing and I mean OU812.........how can you mistake that........................:lol::lol::duh::duh:

BeamerBob - 15-8-2011 at 07:56 AM

Thanks for the effort tri! It's the thought that counts. You always do stand out in a crowd. Your plates might as well continue the tradition. :thumbup::thumbup: