Ok so, iv been flying kites for years but nothing that you could really classify as a traction or power kite however im eager to jump in. I have a few
deltas for stunt stuff and a snapshot 1.4 foil but really want to get into big kites.
Im not sure what I want to do with that yet, the beach im usually at, ocean shores WA, does not allow buggy's or land boards on the beach but
kitesurfing is fair game
Iv been leaning towards some of the depower kites as they seem a little more versatile for whatever I want to do down the roa. I want to get a 4 line
kite, I have a 2 line and I don't really see a purpose in a 3 line kite but am open to suggestions and advise as well
So on a loose budget of $500 what would you do? Im open to buying used, really I just want to get into the sport.
ThanksMinshall - 28-8-2011 at 03:45 PM
Welcome to the sport. It is a great time every time. Any flight you can walk away from was a good flight. I would love to give ya more pointers,
but that stuff is better left to the pros.shehatesmyhobbies - 28-8-2011 at 04:16 PM
Welcome to the addiction! Not knowing what you weigh and what your typical winds are the usual suggestions are...
IMO, Because you have some experience
Fixed bridle 3-5m
Depower 5-8m
Low -Med aspect ratio
If you get depower, you will also need a harness
If you are getting on water, you will need an LEI, PL arc, or Flysurfer
Keep asking questions, do your homework and get the right kite for your needs!
Be safe!mougl - 28-8-2011 at 04:24 PM
Depending on your size and average wind conditions a 3 or 4m would be great to start on. I wouldn't jump right into depower just yet. In my
experience, depower kites are best flown in motion, meaning in a buggy, on a board etc. A 4 line fixed bridal is great to start with. I would never
recommend over 3 or 4m to begin and once you fly one, you'll understand why. Some good starter kites to consider are:
Yes I'm sure I've left some out but these are good. Start in light winds and work up from there. Which ever kite you decide on, just make sure it's
not a "lifty" kite. That's no mans land for someone starting out with power kites. Just ask my doctor, he'll tell you
Welcome to the family!!Todd - 28-8-2011 at 04:38 PM
I need to get back down to Ocean Shores soon... Welcome to the addiction and big kites are a blast. Can you make it to Seaside Beach OR next weekend?
Bunch of people will be down there and plenty willing to share if you would like to try some gear out. I'm in Tacoma and pending on your schedule if
you could make it to Chambers Bay on Tuesday I'll be flying that day if the predictions hold.
Also chat with Andy at Ocean Shores Kites, wealth of information and a good guy too.Trbo323 - 28-8-2011 at 04:54 PM
OO ya, I talk with andy all the time, he sold me my E2 and got me into slack line stuff a bit. Im on my way back to Ellensburg right now, I go to
school at CWU and my car kinda commuted suicide recently or else I would come out to Tacoma.
Im aiming for a 5 meter kite minimum, I used to own a pretty crappy 4 meter, guess I should say really crappy, but iv also had the snapshot in 30+ mph
winds with it tugging me down the beach so im not unaware of what a kite can do.
Im 160 lbs, 5-10 and typically see winds in ocean shores of 10ish. Ellensburg has similar winds but typically more gusty. If I can find the money id
like to get a land board and work with it in Ellensburg.
I was leaning towards a depower kite because they seemed more versatile and considering I don't know which aspect of kiting I want to go into I
figured get something that can pull nomatter where it is in the sky.
Thanks for all the fast responses guysBladerunner - 28-8-2011 at 05:13 PM
There is a GI Progigy board on here that can't be beat for price. At $150 ( shipping may be negotiable? ) your ride will be well covered.
Now the bad news. To fly a depower kite you also need a harness. It will set you back $100 or more. Add shipping to these 2 iems and you don't have a
lot left for a kite ? You will almost get in at $500 but I think you may need a little more ? As you notice we all have more than 1 kite for different
winds.
Only clo$ed celled 4 line kite$ + inflatable work on land and water.bigkid - 28-8-2011 at 05:29 PM
Welcome to the Forum and good to hear of another Washingtonian Kiter. Ellensburg has a park on the west side of town that is great for kitebugging,
the grass gets a bit tall for Boarding so bugging, and snow kiteing in the winter is prime. We go to Quincy every so often and buggy at a sod farm,
mostly in the late winter to mid summer.
There are a few of the guys who kiteboard out in the water by OS, but if you are interested in the ATB or buggy NAPKA would be a good group to join.
North Beach is only up the road from OS and would be a great place with great people to buggy and or Blokart with. As Todd said earlier Sunset Beach
would be good to go to to meet others in the sport and try out some kites, boards, and buggies.
Now that I'm thinking about Ellensburg, there are some good spots to snow kite close by.Minshall - 28-8-2011 at 06:07 PM
I think it would be awesome if you could make it out to SOBB. The people there will be more than likely to let you try out some of their stuff.
Since your are a college student without a car, you could try and convince a buddy to take you out there. Try offering something like a 12 pack of
beer and camp out there.Trbo323 - 28-8-2011 at 07:22 PM
It will be a bit before I have the cash flow to get a kite so I can probably join you guys or someone at some point before I get a kite but for now im
just looking for some of the more basic info. Im not trying to get a whole setup on the 500, just a kite, lines and bar or handels whichever the case
may be.
If I need a harness off the bat I have a rock climbing harness already, wouldn't be the most comfortable thing ever but would work for a while
For the time being let's assume im not going to be kite boarding, that just seems super expensive to get into. I do however own a nice snowboard and
will be wanting to do some boarding in ellensburg this winter if conditions are right. Speaking of which, where exactly is this park you are talking
about?
Ok back on topic, can a good 5+ meter depower kite be had, even used on $500? And if so what would you look for and where would you look for it?Trbo323 - 28-8-2011 at 07:38 PM
Also, I keep seeing "ATB" around, what is that short for?
And what is the aspect ratio of a kite?John Holgate - 28-8-2011 at 09:23 PM
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Also, I keep seeing "ATB" around, what is that short for?
ATB stands for Andre Tanneberger. A very popular trance music artist who goes under the name ATB.
West Ellensburg Park on West 5th.furbowski - 28-8-2011 at 11:19 PM
the trouble with the smaller depower kites is that they need lots of wind...
10-15 mph gets you moving with 4-5m fixed bridle on landboard on smooth hardpack...
but you could just about swing a decent 4-5m fixed bridle and landboard for that $500...
best thing is to get your self to SOBB, try out some stuff, and hopefully meet some kiters who can give you deals...
Once you've flown a few kites you'll have much better knowledge of what to buy.skimtwashington - 29-8-2011 at 06:01 AM
Uhhmm...big difference flying a snapshot 1.4 in 30+ mph winds and a 5m fixed foil (you say you want 'minimum' this size?) in same winds or
less....:o!!
Know the reasonable wind range of the size kite you think you want for 'mobility mode'(buggy, board, skis,...) and your speed level of comfort. Just
as important is knowing typical winds you get for the area you'll be using it.Trbo323 - 29-8-2011 at 07:46 AM
Yes I understand that a 5m kite in 10mph wind is going to be a lot different than a snapshot 1.4 in 30mph, if all I wanted was the snapshot in 30mph
winds. I would not need to come here now would I?
Iv already said, typical winds are around 10 ish with more gusty winds in Ellensburg, 30 is a storm I was out flying in
Im seeing lots of kites around 400 used on here, I just don't know what to look for in specificragden - 29-8-2011 at 08:00 AM
Not to throw the fly in the buttermilk, but...
If you are even considering riding in the water at some point, you may want to consider LEI kites. Used LEIs tend to run a lot less than foils. 500
dollars still is not going to get you very far, but you will get a kite that you can use for all environments.
Granted PL kites, and some HQ kites, and Flysurfer kites can fill the same niche, but tend to be a little bit more expensive (unless you are looking
at much older models).
In the mean time, I would recommend hooking up with some local fliers and see what you like before committing to buying anything.snowspider - 29-8-2011 at 10:27 AM
Yes you can use your rock climbing harness , some are more comfortable than others, time will tell if you might want something more comfy. Aspect
ratio refers to weather the wing is long and narrow ( Peter lynn Vapor) or short and wide ( HQ Apex). Long and narrow = high skill requirements
,extreemly fast ,race kites. Short and wide = more beginner tolerant and pull like a truck , wide variety of uses.bigkid - 29-8-2011 at 11:54 AM
Trbo323, check your U2UTrbo323 - 29-8-2011 at 01:50 PM
If I decide to ride water it will be down the road and id expect to get a kite specific for that so for now let's assume this kite im looking into
will be land only
But, a few questions about the LEI kites, first, what does LEI stand for, why are they different? Why are they cheaper and what are the ups and downs
of going with a LEI kite for my situation?
I do like the look of the kitting harnesses, they look a lot more comfortable but for starting out my rock harness should be fine, it is padded but
just gets rough after sitting in it for a long time.
Iv been seeing a lot of HQ kites around, any specific one I should look into?
As for aspect ratios im fine with fast kites, iv been told a few kites would be too fast for me in the past and been just fine, I really want to stay
away from anything that is beginner specific or the trainer kites. Iv just found that I am such a fast learner, stuff like that is typically a waste
of money for me because I. Grow past them so fast. Id rather get something that will be used for a long time but may give a few extra headaches in the
beginning. That's the way iv done it with a lot of my other hobbies and it works fine for me.shehatesmyhobbies - 29-8-2011 at 04:02 PM
LEI = Leading Edge InflatableTrbo323 - 29-8-2011 at 04:26 PM
So that is as opposed to an inflatable cell kite?shehatesmyhobbies - 29-8-2011 at 05:22 PM
An LEI has a bladder on its leading edge and inflated spars for kite support . It literally has to be pumped up. An inflatable cell kit ie PL twinskin
arcs have zippers you open and allow air to fill it like an air matress. It has rigid spars on the sides. This is the attachment point for flying
lines. Once inflated and launched, it looks like an arc in the sky.Trbo323 - 29-8-2011 at 06:37 PM
So the LEIs are the ones you see more often used for kite surfing then?
So what are the advantages and disadvantages to them? And why are they cheaper?Bladerunner - 29-8-2011 at 06:56 PM
Learning with an LEI on land can be very hard on them. Bladders pop and they don't take to crashing well. Once you don't crash much they are a very
reasonable option.
They are possibly a little cheaper because they are single skin but New LEI's compete with foils in price. There are a lot more of them on the second
hand market so the price drops faster.
Inflatables got much better over time so older models are less desired. 2005 and older are best avoided.acartier1981 - 29-8-2011 at 07:31 PM
That question is opening a can of worms, lol. Here is my two cents, take it with a grain of salt as everything else you read.
The large advantage with LEI's is that they can float on the water forever and still relaunch. This also means if you have to self rescue it's a
little easier to drag in usually. With any closed cell foil you have between 10 and 20 minutes with it on the water before it takes on too much water
to relaunch. Even with the nylon waterproofed the seams still let water in.
Another not very disputable issue is how long they last. Typically, but not always, LEI's don't last as long as foils. That also does depend a lot
on the owner and how they take care of it. You could find a 3 or 4 year old LEI in awesome shape that seems almost new, and you could find a 1 year
old foil that is a POS. Treat your gear well no matter what you have kind of goes without saying.
The big bladder in the leading edge of inflatables is pretty heavy. This can cause problems in lower winds making it easier to front stall or
hindeberg as some say. Closed cell foils, excluding PL Arcs, have a hug mess of bridal lines that is really difficult to manage but can turn into a
really ugly bird nest if your not careful. You can self launch and land both, though it is a little easier and not as hard to do so with foils.
The difference in how LEI's and foils fly is a long list of variables and becomes personal preference which one someone prefers usually. You will
find several guys on here who like LEI's for high winds, 20+mph, and foils for low wind. I need to try out some more LEI's cause after this past
weekend I think I might start leaning that way too. You can find both that fly in ways to cover every kind of style there is.Trbo323 - 29-8-2011 at 07:31 PM
Thanks for the advise on the years ill keep that in mind.
That makes sense about crashing a kite that has a bladder.
So besides a kite that is pre 05 is there anything else that I should try and stay away from? Any brands or specific models?stetson05 - 29-8-2011 at 09:04 PM
Welcome here. If you are in Ellensburg you aren't too far from us. You probably don't want to drive to Tricities but you are welcome if you do. If
you are years from water I would stay away from LEI's for now. It is up to you. I would still recommend a 3m or so fixed bridle to start to help you
grow with your kite skills. If you are sure you want a depower then I would bet an peter lynn arc would serve you the best in Ellensburg. Arc's do
well in gusty areas. The main key to them is to get them well preinflated and it is best if you kite with a friend. I liked the one I had but was
more used to other foils so went back when the opportunity was there. Like I said, you can come down here and try our stuff if you want. Let us know
when you have snow and maybe we will come to you!pyro22487 - 29-8-2011 at 09:28 PM
all i can say is good luck on making a decission and welcome to the passion.Powerws - 30-8-2011 at 03:44 AM
I have been flying for 15 years. Started with a peter powell 4' train with 4 100' tube tails. I moved to a prism stylus 2.8 and have flown it for 6
years. It's a 2 line. All of the kites I have bought were from the same place. My last trip to the beach I bought a prism 5m 4 line. Hell I thought I
always wanted a bigger kite and asked for the biggest thing. They gave me a 5m Tensor. Read my enclosed instruction booklet on how to set up the lines
and handles and was off to flying. I first started with the bar . I was in North Myrtle Beach where the winds aren't very strong and a gust came up
and picked me up 5 feet in the air like superman and dropped me on my head. Let me remind you that this was within the first 20 min of flying. Once I
hit the ground it then dragged me 10 feet. It happened so fast I didn't even have time to jettison the foil. I'm extreme with everything I do and kite
flying is no exception. It was definitely a thrill to say the least. I will tell you that the Tensor is a beautiful kite and fun to feel the enormous
pull it has. After being picked up, I switched to the handles. Prism offers a bar that you can take apart, which is nice. The 5 meter Tensor was much
slower than my other kites which I didn't like too much. I flew it the rest of my trip, which wasn't much. Total of 1 hour flight time. OMG what a
work out! It was pulling me all over the beach.
When I got home I quickly did some research and found this forum. I have met some great guys that have given me their time and education. There is now
doubt that after seeing videos on youtube I would be hooked on kite buggying, plus I already had a strong foil. Throughout this process I stumbled
across the Ozone kites. I bought the 3 meter Method and have yet to fly it. Will be flying it this coming up weekend and can't wait. from what I
understand it will be faster quicker and more enjoyable to fly static. I will learn on this to get my feel for what a buggy would be like.( As far as
exercise go on foot). All I can say is these kites can hurt you! I know! I'm 6 feet tall and weigh 220 lbs. and have great balance with kite
experience and it humbled me. Chill with a 3 meter, and if you like the best quality, like me, go with the Ozone flow or method. Just my 2 cents! I
hope you have fun, goodluck, and welcome to the forums.carltb - 30-8-2011 at 03:56 AM
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As for aspect ratios im fine with fast kites, iv been told a few kites would be too fast for me in the past and been just fine, I really want to stay
away from anything that is beginner specific or the trainer kites. Iv just found that I am such a fast learner, stuff like that is typically a waste
of money for me because I. Grow past them so fast. Id rather get something that will be used for a long time but may give a few extra headaches in the
beginning. That's the way iv done it with a lot of my other hobbies and it works fine for me.
then theres only one kite for you and thats a blade iv 4m:wee::wee::wee:Trbo323 - 30-8-2011 at 07:41 AM
Are th flow and method depower kites?
Also, I have nothing against prism but at this point I already have 4 kites by them, id like to branch out a little more and find something made by
someone else. That is, unless a prism kite is the best option for me right nowpyro22487 - 30-8-2011 at 11:29 AM
The Flows and methods are not depower. I here you can buy a turbobar from ozone and put it on the flows and it makes them fly like a depower. I have
never tried this. I have also been told you can buy a turbo bar and it turns almost any kite into a depower. I am unsure how true this is. Anyone know
how true this is?Trbo323 - 30-8-2011 at 01:04 PM
Ya id rather just stick to something that is made to be a depower kite from the start
So, depower kite, can be had for 500 ish used, 5m or larger, what would you look for?pyro22487 - 30-8-2011 at 02:03 PM
a frenzy is good and can be found fairly cheap a 2006 or 07 usually sell for about 4 to 5 hundred and those are bigger ones. if you want 5m i think
the frenzy has a 6m or maybe a 5 in there older models. you can check there stuff out on www.flyozone.com and go to snowkites and look for previous kites it brings up all there stuff thats from the past.stetson05 - 30-8-2011 at 02:09 PM
I might take some heat for this but 7-8m depower foil or a 10m arc.Trbo323 - 30-8-2011 at 06:12 PM
A lot of people are telling me 5 is big, why are you suggesting a 7-8m depower?Looking_Up - 30-8-2011 at 07:14 PM
First I would like to welcome u 5 is a very good size at 6'2" and a whopping 290
I can tell u that in winds ten and up u wont be flying very long without a harness or some type of traction vehicle it will also pull way harder than
a tenor and fly different according to the kite u pick ozone's turbo bar is fantastic but it is in no way a depower bar it flies the kite with the
brakes and just a little input from the front lines so u.have a better flying kite and u can easily hook in to a harness
I am just going to say.this but I agree with the above about an arc 12 or 13 older probably venom depower kites are not easily compared to fb and arcs
dont compare directly with depower in a normal depower u can figure about halved for a general comp so a 7 or 8 dep is going to be like a 3 to 4.5 fb
and a 10 arc will land about a 5 but they again don't fly the same the arcs are great and forgiving you can't go wrong with a frenzy if you can take a
water lesson it will intro you to dep and you could easily go with an arc depending on your winds 16 is a good place to start
Nice and float a gentle giant and almost no pull with the bare out in light winds
For ref I was rolled after a good jump and when I sat up the kite was just hanging out waiting on me no pull at all and absolutely no imput from me
At first I hated them but as I learned and got them out in higher winds I have really come to love the arcs where are u so many u can demo something
Sorry for the wind but I felt I must also give two sense
Oh and arcs are ferry friendly on the walletWIllardTheGrey - 31-8-2011 at 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Trbo323
A lot of people are telling me 5 is big, why are you suggesting a 7-8m depower?
A 5m fb is on the big side, a 7-8m depower is a small depower.stetson05 - 31-8-2011 at 09:04 AM
I was looking for specifics and running into issues finding projected area. I think of projected area as useable energy producing area. Here is what
I did find.
A 5m fixed bridle kite has a projected area of about 4.5m
A 7-8 depower foil should have a projected area close to 5m but I can't find a good reference
A 8-10m arc has a projected area of 5-6m
flying in conditions that are appropriate with your skill is very important.
If you are good at a fixed bridle kite then you could be ready for a depower. Think of a fb kite as a 3D kite. We live in 3D and are comfortable
with it. A depower kite is 4D. It adds a big difference in what you can do with the kite and the conditions it can be used in but in a lot of ways
it is that much more complex to fly. I admit there are ideas here that are arguable. This is why I recommend getting good with fb kites first
though.pyro22487 - 31-8-2011 at 11:43 AM
Yes depowers are less powerful then the FIxed bridals. Sorry for not clarifying that. They make small depowers, but the frenzys was only made in a 5m
as far as I know. Any smaller and the foil would require much more wind just to get up in the sky and moving. My 14 requires about 10 mph wind to move
while a 7m fixed can do it in the same wind. A 14m fixed bridal can get you moving in about 3-5 mph and keep you moving very easily.Trbo323 - 31-8-2011 at 09:27 PM
so can a 7-8m depower be had used around $500?erratic winds - 31-8-2011 at 09:31 PM
Used, absolutely.Trbo323 - 1-9-2011 at 07:35 AM
Ok, any specific kites I should look at?bobalooie57 - 1-9-2011 at 07:57 AM
Man, I just went to the for sale section, and the first thing I see is rdavis' 9.5M Flexi Sabre II for $450.00. That's a pretty sweet kite for the
price, a little larger than you are looking for, but if you respect the wind, take it slow, feel your way around the window and where power comes on
you could easily grow into it. On the other hand, if you take her out in 20+, hot launch and send her straight to the top... :wee:lamrith - 1-9-2011 at 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by bobalooie57
On the other hand, if you take her out in 20+, hot launch and send her straight to the top... :wee:
That there is the challenge, even for an experience kiter. We can get away with that (and even preffer for clean lift off) on a delta and 2 line foil
up to the 2 or 2.5m range. Do that with a traction rig and you better have a reserve chute to get you back down safely!:wee:
They just pull so much differently than what stunt kites do.
For the OP, I think I heard that some of the 3 and 4 line kites can be re-rigged to fly like a depower? Might be something to think about as a
"bridge" rig. Maybe a Rush pro 350 or even a beamer 4-5m and rerig to depower once you get a handle on it? Do you have any 4line experience yet,
that I am sure would be a huge benefit in flying a Depower rig as you already have that added dimension down.
I have been flying a Symphony1.7, we had 10-12mph winds last time out and it was a solid pull, but not enough to move me or pull me over. In
contrast, I just whatched a video of a friend in FL, Hydra300, 10-15mph winds and it was bodydragging them thru the water NO PROBLEM. They were
moving a good 5mph thru the water and the kite was high in the window, not down low in the real power zone...
Just giving you some further perspective, I hate to see anyone get hurt making this next step to power. I am in a similar boat and very glad I can
attend SOBB sunday to get some hands-on with experienced people to keep me from becoming superman.
If your in WA/OR I woudl higly recommend getting out to Sunset beach one of the next two weekends for this event.
LarryTrbo323 - 1-9-2011 at 01:21 PM
Someone mentioned rigging a fixed bridle kite to be a depower but nobody seems to know anything about it, not to mention as I said earlier id rather
just get something that is meant to be a depower from the start instead of trying to make something into a depower that wasn't intended for itstetson05 - 1-9-2011 at 02:54 PM
You looking for specific kites.
Arcs: venom, venom II, vortex, synergy, scorpian, charger in the 8-10m range
Open cell Foils(no water): Montana, apex, access (can someone fill in the gaps on a stable depower?) 7-9m
Closed cell Foils(water): Neo, NeoII, Pulse, (again there are more that someone could fill in the gaps) 7-9mthanson2001ok - 1-9-2011 at 03:30 PM
You have some excellent info here. Let me weigh in...
Flying a FB kite on handles is the BEST way to learn how to fly a power kite. You learn the basics and, arguably, really learn HOW these four line
kites work. Having the ability to turn just using brakes, stop, stall, reverse land, add power, reverse launch, etc... all very good skills.
On the other hand, I know a lot of guys that fly depowers and they don't even know that you can fly four line power kites on handles. The routine for
these guys and the guys they teach to fly are to go out in moderate winds and start under powered in order to learn kite control and get some speed by
learning how to bring it into the power zone effectively and work the kite to get enough power to move. Once they gain confidence and experience, they
move them up to larger kites/stronger winds. In short, you can go directly to depowers if you want to though it is not ideal. (let the flaming begin)
I have a 5m Frenzy and a 7.5m Sabre II I plan on culling from my quiver. If my buddy I am teaching how to ride doesn't want them, they may be
available.Trbo323 - 3-9-2011 at 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by stetson05
You looking for specific kites.
Arcs: venom, venom II, vortex, synergy, scorpian, charger in the 8-10m range
Open cell Foils(no water): Montana, apex, access (can someone fill in the gaps on a stable depower?) 7-9m
Closed cell Foils(water): Neo, NeoII, Pulse, (again there are more that someone could fill in the gaps) 7-9m
Sooooooo.....which of these are depower kites and which are not?erratic winds - 3-9-2011 at 03:36 PM
Well, since that was a response to your question about depower kites, it's worth assuming that all of them are. And yes, all of them are
depower-kites.Trbo323 - 3-9-2011 at 05:25 PM
o ok cool, thanks, iv just had a lot of people throwing names around and i know not all of them have been depower thats why i was asking. ill take a
look around and see what i can find, anywhere specific i should look for buying a used one?
also, i realize what the closed cell foils are going to be like, but what is going to be the difference between the arcs and the open cell foils?
also does anyone have experience with the HQ apex 2 or 3? and are there any major differences between the two?Trbo323 - 10-9-2011 at 07:18 AM
Anyone?snowspider - 11-9-2011 at 07:17 PM
I've got the whole series of Apex 2 and love them. Myself and a pack of kids fly them static all summer and on skis all winter. I can't imagine how HQ
could have improved how they fly. I did wear through lines on two of them where they go through a little ring on the edge of the kite. I replaced the
rings with little pulleys , problem solved.
I've been jumping with the 10meter this summer. In smooth winds its too easy.
I've flow the 5meter in severe gusty 20-30+ mph wind , a wild ride for sure but doable.
If you are flying on a hard surface the 3.5 meter Apex is going to give you a huge range. In light wind you can work the kite to get more power out of
it, and in strong or gusty wind you benefit from the smaller size and the ability to depower in the gusts. Have fun , spend some money.
:wee: