soliver - 16-2-2012 at 09:11 PM
Ok gang, so I'm close to being able to afford my 1st bug and I'm trying to decide what to get. Your experiences can help me decide.
I've looked into both the PL Competition XR and the VTT Cricket.
I like how much you can alter the XR with interchangeable parts, but I've heard how it can be uncomfortable, and some other criticisms. I have seen
Van's rail kit for the XR, but that's an extra $250. It also looks like a snap to disassemble and assemble if needed.
The Cricket on the other hand is looks like an awesome bug without needing the rail kit to make it more comfortable. But it looks like it may take a
little extra to assemble/ disassemble.
I still am not 100% funded for the purchase, but I'm not far off.
I'm leaning toward the Cricket, but am not sure what others think. What do y'all think?
stetson05 - 16-2-2012 at 09:18 PM
I haven't buggied in both but I have sat in both. I would consider Van's buggy an upgrade from the pl comp-xr. It was more comfortable and had more
secure rails. The XR is still an upgrade over my buggy but I don't ride it very much. To me the Cricket would be the clear choice if the price was
the same but I have a truck to carry a big buggy.
awindofchange - 16-2-2012 at 10:53 PM
Another thing to consider is where you will be riding. If at the beach, the stainless PL XR+ will not rust. The Crickit is a steel bug that if
scratched could rust.
MikeDobbs - 17-2-2012 at 07:54 AM
FWIW - I love my old school PL buggy (In fact I'm buying a second one tomorrow- thanks Lad!). It's lighter than the new PL bugs, and breaks down
super fast.
Because it's light I can ride with less sail, or in less wind; also, because it's small it's always in my trunk so I'm ready for an impromptu session
at any moment :wee:
As for comfort- I've noticed that I'm very comfortable on handles, also with a waist harness- but if I fly with a seat harness my lower back just
kills me.
ragden - 17-2-2012 at 08:26 AM
Where you will be riding, and how much trunk space you have for transportation may be factors to consider. My PL Comp XR breaks down enough that it
fit in the trunk of my Honda Accord (when I owned that car). If you have a truck and breaking it down isnt an issue, then something bigger would be
easier to get around. I do not know how well the VTT breaks down. Not something I've ever really investigated. Nor have I really taken it out for a
spin... Certainly looks more comfortable to sit in...
soliver - 17-2-2012 at 04:52 PM
I'll definitely be on the grass more, and I drive a truck, so breaking it down will only be an issue if I have to take it out in my wife's car. I'm
not so concerned about transporting it; breakdown/ set-up are more a convenience concern.
I am inland about 95% of the time, but spend an annual vaca on the beach in south GA (Yes close to Jekyll, yes I know its the bomb, yes I've been in
touch with Angus).
But I've found a couple of places close to me around Atlanta that could serve as practicing grounds, so primarily inland on the grass.
soliver - 18-2-2012 at 08:53 PM
after a couple of conversations with some folks, I may be leaning back toward the comp xr.
What's the deal with the wider wheels vs the standard wheels (6.5" vs 4")
I'll mostly be on grass, does it make a difference?
Do the wider wheels require a wider front fork, or if you start with the standard can you upgrade without having to get a new front fork?... How's it
work guys??????:shocked2:
ChrisH - 18-2-2012 at 10:15 PM
All I can say is that I love my XR+, even when I didn't have a wider axle and longer downtube it wasn't super uncomfortable. Now that I do have those
it's really quite comfortable but I will admit that I wish I had taller/longer siderails. I will never pay $250 for Van's siderails, though. That's
$70 less than I paid for my entire buggy and siderails aren't that hard to make. I'm betting you could have your local fabrication shop make some up
for you for a lot cheaper than that. If you're not over 6' tall you should be pretty comfortable in the stock XR+. If you are, get the extended
downtube and you'll be nice and comfy.
I ride on grass all the time and I still have barrows on my bug, I haven't found them to be a problem at all and some say they're better for grass
than midi's. They say you'll slide more with the midi's but I'll eventually be getting them anyway. I'd like to be able to transition from grass to
sand without having to change tires, although you can ride on hard pack sand with barrows. You do not have to buy a wider fork to switch to midi's.
If I were you I wouldn't pay full price for an XR+, you can find a good used one here on the forum for pretty cheap, I think I paid $320 shipped for
mine and it was hardly ever used. If I had the choice that you have, I would get the XR just because you can always find extra/used parts and the fact
that it is stainless. Either way you'll end up with a good buggy that will be loads of fun for many years to come.
soliver - 18-2-2012 at 10:58 PM
I've been offered a pretty good deal on a new XR. Just trying to decide whether I want to get the "midi" wheels or not. Pretty sure I want the wider
back axle.
BeamerBob - 19-2-2012 at 12:40 AM
I wish I had known 4 years ago what I know now. It would've saved some steps in modding and trading. If you have a chance you should at least sit in
a buggy that is less entry level. On the other hand, I see buggiers that have been doing it longer than I have, do a fine and happy job in a PL or
Flexi bug.
Wide tires might have a bit less bite on grass. They also might make a slight difference on softer sand. If you are making impressions in the sand
it will kill your speed pretty bad. Sand that you leave more than a scuff mark on will be better handled with bigfoot lites or larger.
My PL is a much more stable buggy with the longer side rails and wide axle.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Van's side rails are not worth the expense. Some extra support to keep you in the buggy by resisting the
sidepull from the kite is quite addictive once you've felt the difference. $250 is not so expensive when you consider what your "next" buggy might
cost.
ChrisH - 19-2-2012 at 02:03 AM
Isn't the only real difference between a Cricket and an XR+ the longer/taller siderails and the seat? How is the Cricket not an entry level bug? Or
were you referring to another buggy when you said he should at least sit in something that's less entry level? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or
anything, I'm just ignorant when it comes to this.
As for the siderails, fair enough. I guess I have to realize too, that it's a package, not just siderails. You get the seat and the pads as well.
cheezycheese - 19-2-2012 at 02:04 AM
For $250 you get more than siderails. You also get a new custom seat and siderails pads as these are longer than stock. I feel its worth every penny.
Nite an Day difference ... :roll:
BigMikesKites - 19-2-2012 at 05:36 AM
The rail kit is half the metal in the buggy almost. plus the seat and pads. They fit the XR+ frame perfectly as Van used an xr+ i had sitting around
for a model so he could get it right. I ride a buggy with the xr+ kit regularly. Its still pretty light like the xr+ and does very well on the
grass fields. the x wide tires would be good going to the beach, but not absolutely necessary if you plan on staying on the hard pack most of the
time. You will find out where you can go with them.
The kit changed my situation from a 'My buggy isn't quite big and comfortable enough for 6' 280 guy to ... Hey, I can do this too!!! :D
soliver - 19-2-2012 at 04:00 PM
As I said, I'm back to the comp XR, but pretty sure I'm going to hold off on the rail kit. I'm not a big guy, and don't know that I need it yet.
I am thinking of getting the extra long rear axle (120 cm) as the whole flipping over thing seems kind of unappealing.
Thoughts?
ChrisH - 19-2-2012 at 05:04 PM
I would highly recommend the wider axle, it was my first upgrade and I'm glad I went for it. You might be able to find a used one here on the forum if
you post a wanted ad.
shehatesmyhobbies - 19-2-2012 at 05:20 PM
Soliver, the extra wides from PL fit right on with no need for a different fork!
The VTT XR+ kit is a nice upgrade!
van - 19-2-2012 at 10:11 PM
If you think $250 is expensive, wait until you see the 2012 price 
The cricket is priced higher than the PL XR+ and it is not stainless steel. It's not for everyone so you have to consider where you buggy and if
corrosion is an issue. You also have to consider whether or not your back needs support. Some of us older folks ( me included ..haha) needs that
back support that the XR+ does not provide. The Cricket is $699 , the XR+ kit is nothing more than the cricket seat and rails so it is proportionally
priced since it's pretty much about half of a buggy. I design the cricket's width to be the same as the XR+ so that the rails will fit both. The
cricket rails are 6" longer and the front of the seat are also wider. The fork and downtube are about the same. The rear axle on the cricket is 48"
long and square ( no bending issue). It is also twice as heavy as the XR+. It is heavier, wider and longer than the XR+ in dimension and weight.
The metal used is twice as thick.
I hope this helps you decide.