kitedelight - 28-4-2012 at 11:11 AM
hey,
for you LEI guys, need some kite input
any thoughts on liquid force's products? there is a 10m envy for sale that's got me thinking. Sounds really forgiving...maybe, too forgiving and too
boring??
I'm looking into getting into basic unhooked stuff (so it does need to be a bit boring and not too lively), and I don't need a kite that jumps to the
moon, but don't want a lame jumper either.
It's hard to get a good grasp of this kite from the reviews.
thoughts?
Kamikuza - 29-4-2012 at 06:58 AM
Almost got an Envy myself, a while back ... all I needed was a smaller kite though ...
Buddy here has Havoc 14 and 10m and the Mistress of Disaster has a 9m Envy, I think. Look like good quality and seem to do the job ok - Soh bashes his
kite a lot doing unhooked stuff and it's rock solid. MoD tries to do unhooked tricks and although she's not as good as she thinks she is, I doubt the
kite is holding her back.
Another good point - Max Flow.
Otherwise ... dunno :D
Houston AirHead - 29-4-2012 at 03:37 PM
my two cents:
I've found that LF kites are one of the most durable LEIs you can buy. I have put my 2008 Havoc through HELL and back and ive only had a few minor pin
holes in the bladder and a torn sail from slamming it into a pile of rocks. I fixed the sail with duct tape and its still going strong after months.
The envy is a light weight sail, if i had the doe i would scoop one of these bad boys up in a heart beat.
kitedelight - 29-4-2012 at 06:06 PM
thanks for the input. sweet, durable is good, especially if I am wanting to learn some unhooked stuff. I'm sure it will see it's fair share of
crashes, whatever I end up getting.
I picked up some more stuff as I was trying to get up to speed to make a decision, sounds like its moderate turning, not poor. I think I
automatically translated 'not the fastest turning kite' into 'a slow turning kite' as I read a review somewhere. And, jumping sounds average for it's
aspect ratio, so that's good. Waiting on some pics, we'll see what comes.
kitedelight - 11-5-2012 at 01:25 PM
decided to give it a shot, and picked up a used 10m and it arrived today...sweet!
I'll try and update this when I get a good few sessions on it.
Kamikuza - 11-5-2012 at 04:55 PM
Oh ... there's a website selling LF NRG's $1,000 of ... too late now :D
Houston AirHead - 11-5-2012 at 05:02 PM
cool kd, let us know how it flys please!!
kitedelight - 11-5-2012 at 07:37 PM
haha, ....holding out eh? 
even if there were... i'll stick to the envy for
now.
ya, probably a short write up, consisting of something along the lines of "...I like the kite, it's good". haha
nah, it'll be more in depth, but will still be pretty basic.
kitedelight - 23-5-2012 at 10:54 PM
so, got it out for the first short session...(don't have much water experience compared to snowkiting, so take this with a grain of salt)
Even with only a bit of time on the water, can comment about a few things...it's a smooth machine. Every review has mentioned that the kite is
smooth. I was thinking, come on, how smooth can it be? but ya, everything was smooth...water starts, sining the kite to get more power, jumps, and
even gusts that overpowered. I noticed a bit on the water start that I didn't get yanked too hard for the type of kite movement I did. Didn't jump
much, but it did surprise me...I went up higher than anticipated from the type of pull it gave on the harness. at the apex, I was thinking, 'what just
happened??' I am used to judging jump height by a more aggressive pull on the harness I guess. And, it was a light session but had a few powerful
gusts. For the types of winds that we get around here, I would have felt it a more 'impact' through the harness with my other kites, but I didn't
notice the pull so much as simply increasing in speed and having to edge like crazy.
Also, [edit]....it's power development in the turns is a bit different than what I am used to..got to give more time on it to see what's up. [edit]
and being a low aspect delta, doesn't go upwind well on the lighter end. Some of it is my technique, but I know enough that it is partially the kite
as well.
all in all, having fun on it. Glad I picked it up. More to come when I get some more time on it.