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Official Info from BLM

Wolfpaklv - 26-2-2013 at 07:33 PM

As all of you may already know NABX has failed to gain a permit for the event this year. I feel responsible to pass along info that has been given to me. Elaine Downing, with the BLM, has sent the following info:

Quote:
"43 CFR 2932.57 : Prohibited acts and penalties:

(a) Prohibited acts. You must not -
(1) Fail to obtain a Special Recreation Permit (SRP) and pay the fees required by this subpart.
(2) Violate the stipulations or conditions of a permit issued under this subpart;
(3) Knowingly participate in an event or activity subject to the permit requirements of this subpart if BLM has not issued a permit;
(4) Fail to post a copy of any commercial or competitive permit where all participants may read it;
(5) Fail to show a copy of your SRP upon request by either a BLM employee or a participant in your activity;
(6) Obstruct or impede pedestrians or vehicles, or harass visitors or other persons with physical contact while engaged in activities covered under a permit or other authorization; or
(7) Refuse to leave or disperse, when directed to do so by a BLM law enforcement officer or State or local law enforcement officer, whether you have a required SRP or not.

It is a citable offense for people to knowingly participate in an event or activity if BLM has not issued a permit! If all out there have a casual use permit, they will be fine.....the problem will be if they participate in any organized activities that Dean might try and organize. Everyone needs to do their own thing - no competition; no courses; no racing; no prizes; no sales of any merchandise; no advertising; no timing equipment; no filming; nothing left on the dry lake unless someone is camping, no potties; no large event tents! Just folks out having a good time with their wind powered toys." -Elaine Downing, BLM


I'm not trying to incite a riot, just passing on the info. Elaine is a wonderful person and some of you regulars have probably met her. Its a shame it has worked out this way. I know most of you already have tickets to come out. If any of you have any questions feel free to call the BLM @ (760) 326-7000 or call me at (702) 813-6480.

Hope this helps you all gain a little transparency.

g00fba11 - 26-2-2013 at 07:51 PM

Tell them not to worry the goofy one won't be coming around and crashing this year......this is a serious bummer......

arkay - 26-2-2013 at 08:06 PM

Was the permit rejected? Also would we need to obtain a rec permit and if so how?

van - 26-2-2013 at 08:13 PM

I had plan ahead and got my own permit. I never intended to be part of the event since I don't do the racing thing. I just like to come there to buggy and hang out with friends. I also plan to come back during other time of the year so I'm not really affected by the cancellation.

If anyone shows up, look me up to say HI.

Wolfpaklv - 26-2-2013 at 08:16 PM

No they didn't reject the permit. The paperwork was not filed on time. The BLM's hands were tied. They are a federal organization and must abide by the rules.

As a local and custodian of Ivanpah, I'm here to help. Unfortunately I can't help people without permits. And they will not issue anymore till after the "unofficial gathering". For those of you with permits already its business as usual. Let me know if you need anything.

van - 26-2-2013 at 08:24 PM

So does that means that for those that already paid, they will get a refund ?

MDK - 26-2-2013 at 08:41 PM

dean posted that he would get us that paid his fee a permit, is this true? will I have a permit? or will I be going to Alvord. Thanks Brian for letting us know WTH is going on.

jeepersjoey - 26-2-2013 at 08:52 PM

This may be why Elaine called and left a message today re my Permit request.

My guess is that I will be denied until after the "event"

It has been said that all the pre-registered will have a permit. At what point will those Permits be in hand so that we are positive that we are allowed to be there?

BeamerBob - 26-2-2013 at 08:59 PM

So our path forward has to be to abide by the rules and just ride together. The first week in April will hopefully be a couple hundred passionate kiters instead of our local dozen. We need not mess up the opportunity to have an official event in the future. Nabx might be a little different this year but it doesn't have to end, be cancelled, or go away.

For me, the true joys of what has been nabx has been getting to have the laughs and conversations when the wind isn't blowing and being able to ride with so many friends when the wind does blow.

bigkid - 26-2-2013 at 09:02 PM

I requested a permit also, guess I need to call in the morning.
This really screws things up for me, I have to be in Veges on the 2nd to drop off my grandsons and then pick them up on the 6th to come home. The air fair is paid for and is not refundable for the wife to join us. If no permits are being sent out until after the 7th I guess we could all......maybe I need to sleep on it and call Elaine in the morning. Then I will know what I will do.

MDK - 26-2-2013 at 09:03 PM

Bobby, sounds fine to me but the question is do I have a permit? I hate to drive 700 miles turn around and go home. sounds fishy

nocando - 26-2-2013 at 09:04 PM

Irrespective of what goes down I am still on my way.

Pointless wasting 4K staying at home

BeamerBob - 26-2-2013 at 09:07 PM

Anyone that has a permit can have guests. Anyone can be my guest and I imagine every other permit holder would also allow visitors to be on the lakebed as their guest as well.

MDK - 26-2-2013 at 09:12 PM

Bobby, may I be your guest? :)

bigkid - 26-2-2013 at 09:27 PM

The more I think about this the hotter I am getting. It is so very hard to bite my tongue and not say things.......ARGGGGGGG

Guess I could go to Harper for the week or stay at the pre event a bit longer. Has to be somewhere I could go to have a bit of dust eating fun. Guess I could put a lot more into the trip to WW and Jibe. At least they got their act together on time.

arkay - 26-2-2013 at 09:27 PM

wow, there aren't many ppl registered. I thought I had but I guess in my late-2012 life-mess I didn't register. well poop. hope I don't have a to burn a week of vacation. With only a few handfuls of people that are registered is it possible to have that many guests and camp on the playa? I, and assuming like many, need to figure this out pretty quick.

MDK - 26-2-2013 at 09:38 PM

I think I am figuring this out now, apparently if we paid a NABX fee we are part of a club now and for being a club member we get a permit that would be free if we obtained it ourselves, and I guess a couple other unknown cool things. interesting..... sounds like we are being asked to ride on some faith here. based on the info Bobby has given I will be coming, looking forward.

BeamerBob - 26-2-2013 at 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by MDK
I think I am figuring this out now, apparently if we paid a NABX fee we are part of a club now and for being a club member we get a permit that would be free if we obtained it ourselves, and I guess a couple other unknown cool things. interesting..... sounds like we are being asked to ride on some faith here. based on the info Bobby has given I will be coming, looking forward.


I can't imagine there not being plenty of permit holders on hand to keep everyone within good graces with the ranger. Historically there has been a mutual respect between the locals and the ranger. I always enjoy his presence and he knows what ivanpah means to us and how important it's protection is to us. I don't want to do anything to jeopardize that relationship.

I ride there 9 months of the year, not just 1 week.

Wolfpaklv - 26-2-2013 at 09:59 PM

Bobby, you may want to clarify this with Elaine. If we say everyone is our guest then we will be putting Elaine in a difficult situation. She made it very clear. "It is a citable offense for people to knowingly participate in an event or activity if BLM has not issued a permit! If all out there have a casual use permit, they will be fine.....the problem will be if they participate in any organized activities that Dean might try and organize. Everyone needs to do their own thing - no competition; no courses; no racing; no prizes; no sales of any merchandise; no advertising; no timing equipment; no filming; nothing left on the dry lake unless someone is camping, no potties; no large event tents! Just folks out having a good time with their wind powered toys." -Elaine Downing, BLM" Yes, we are allowed to have guests. But she was very clear about us supporting the event. If you haven't already purchased air fair, you may want to make other plans.

I'm a huge advocate for growing the sport. But there is something to be said about what is going on here. Lets not mess this up for the future. If you guys are thinking about throwing a gathering still I will not condone it! I will not allow you guys to jeopardize the future of the dry lake. There is a bigger picture to look at here. Even if NABX doesn't survive I will do everything in my power to make sure Ivanpah will be used by kiters for generations to come!!!

MDK - 26-2-2013 at 10:46 PM

I think we just got the what for :) I can understand Brian's concern, we just need to make sure we have permits and not support any event activities.

BeamerBob - 26-2-2013 at 11:05 PM

My goal here would be to stay within the rules and do just what Elaine mentioned. The motivation would be to save the ride for those that have made plans to travel here and ride the wind.

I will speak with Elaine tomorrow and see where we stand on this. I don't want to do anything to jeopardize the possibility of future events and certainly won't condone anything that would jeopardize my ability to kite buggy there in any way.

greasehopper - 26-2-2013 at 11:17 PM

The way this has been painted to me is that the "event" is taking place in Primm... I'm not sure what that means. What I do know is there hasn't been an over abundance of "organized racing" in the past and I doubt very highly there will be this year either. So, I would suggest we suit up, show up, act like responsible adults and have the most fun a human being can have with clothes on.

I guess, what happens in Primm, NV. stays in Primm, NV... ?

Wolfpaklv - 26-2-2013 at 11:30 PM

I agree with Bobby 100%.

MDK - 26-2-2013 at 11:30 PM

I'm sure the promoter knows this now but from my experience as a promoter of some racing events in the past is that you don't take $ until you have permits in hand...rule #1.

KitePwr - 27-2-2013 at 01:29 AM

Well I guess that means is I will have to.... do my own thing - not compete; not set up a course; not race; not win a prize; not buy any merchandise; not read any advertising; not time any equipmentm(huh?); not take any film for comercial use; leave nothing on the dry lake; not put up a large event tent! Just have a good time with my wind powered toys.

Ya, I can do that. ;)

deanaoxo - 27-2-2013 at 04:44 AM

While some of what Mr. Holgate says is true, most of it is misleading.

There is nothing official about this post, and Mr. Holgate does not speak for us nor for the BLM.

Please refer to the post i've just put up for more information.

Thank you, stay tuned, support us, you will not be disappointed.

Aoxomoxoa soon~




Official from the NABX Team STATEMENT

nudge - 27-2-2013 at 04:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by van
I had plan ahead and got my own permit. I never intended to be part of the event since I don't do the racing thing. I just like to come there to buggy and hang out with friends.



I attended last year and am from the UK, didnt race, and any of the racing was more fun stuff and nothing serious and was only on for 30mins top.

In fact I would go so far to say that the racing was pretty non existent and it was more about hanging with friends and having a bit of a buggy, I know that's what I did.

Just in regards to phoning up for permits etc. I don't know how it works in the states so forgive me if I am wrong, but in the UK we had a sort of similar situation with one of our beaches. A club was given permission by a council to moderate the beach and have access to it, others didn't want to join the club and bombarded the council with letters asking for permits to fly etc. This had a negative effect and the council actually said that if it were continue then ALL access to the beach would be cancelled. So in my eyes, I would hold back on everyone saying Im gonna phone Im gonna ask, just in case it all goes Pete Tonge (wrong) and its totally screwed for everyone forever.

I think dean has stated in http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=25048 from how I read it that the team are going to sort permits for everyone, so there isnt a need for you all to phone up!

I hope it all gets sorted and am gutted I wont be there this year, I am going to do my best to return in 2014.

Fly safe
:wee:

nudge PKC

dman - 27-2-2013 at 05:15 AM

So since I already hold a permit, I guess I will be expecting a refund for both me and my son? What the hell did I pay for?

van - 27-2-2013 at 09:08 AM

Not sure what is going on but I was able to get my permit 2 weeks ago. I just sent the BLM an email requesting one, free of charge. It could be that they realize that hundreds of request for permits will be coming in so they put a freeze on the permitting.

I am a permit holder so I can host a few folks myself .. I will be at the opposite end of the lake.

Wolfpaklv - 27-2-2013 at 09:14 AM

Sorry, but my post was copied and pasted directly from an email from Elaine. I didn't right in your name Dean. She has given us specific instructions not to support your event or "club gathering" or we will lose our permits and potentially be cited. But guys, dont take my word for it. Call the BLM your self. The reason I posted this is because you have not been completely honest with people. Elaine is more than willing to speak with anyone who calls, (760) 326-7000.

van - 27-2-2013 at 09:22 AM

Wait ... so I can get cited just for being on the lake on that day even if I have my own permit??? If that is the case, I might just as well stay at Red Lake for the entire event. Not really worth the hassle. I hope it all gets sorted out before I leave for Ivanpah. There's always El Mirage dry lake.

geokite - 27-2-2013 at 09:42 AM

Did Elaine specify how one would "support" the event or "club gathering"? Is that just by our attendance? Oh, right, I should call her...

bigkid - 27-2-2013 at 09:44 AM

this will so mess up a lot of vacation plans and stuff for so many, how sad.

Wolfpaklv - 27-2-2013 at 09:46 AM

Good News!!! Just got off the phone with Elaine. Since most or some of you guys had already made plans and spent a lot of $$$ she has changed her mind and will begin issueing the casual use permits again for you guys. We can all gather and camp next to each other as we normally would. But we are being asked not to have any organized races or activities. And NO selling of goods, so make sure you get your NABX shirts and swag while your in Primm.

My intentions are not/nor have they been to destroy NABX. I love my kiter family. Although We may not all get a long kiting is my life. Ever since I bought my 1st kite from Corey 6 years ago my life was changed. All that matters to me know is going to work so I can make enough money to come out and play with you guys. Its either work or kites for me. There is not much in between....except for taking a photo here and there.

See you guys soon.

Craig Sparkes - 27-2-2013 at 11:09 AM

Brian, you've saved day by just speaking to Elaine to sort permits although BLM emailed confirmation yesterday to dean to 100% confirm :s

Really confused as to what you have done to be honest? Apart from add more admin for BLM.

Would it not have been easier to email dean and ask before posting and contacting BLM?

Wolfpaklv - 27-2-2013 at 11:14 AM

Hey Craig, just getting the info out in the open. I have not claimed to do anything. But as a local Elaine keeps in touch with us all. And when she gives me info that is opposite of what it being told to the public, I just forward it so people are informed.

BeamerBob - 27-2-2013 at 11:20 AM

If email was sent to dean yesterday, why haven't we heard that? Information flowing quickly and accurately stops speculation and misinformation. I see all of Brian's activities in this to have been helpful and necessary. Ivanpah is even more of a treasure to some of us than nabx is to all of us.

Wolfpaklv - 27-2-2013 at 11:39 AM

Elaine has just asked me to share her email address with you guys. If you already registered with NABX, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THIS!

In order to have a FREE casual use permit, send her the following: Name, address, phone #, and email address. Her email is edowning@blm.gov. She really wants to help. She will be out of the office next week so please try to submit your info to her ASAP!

nudge - 27-2-2013 at 12:09 PM

As there seem to be 2 topics about the same thing, Ill post this here as well

I might be a bit confused here but on the 16th Feb I received an email from the NABX team I quote

Dear NABX participants,

I dean jordan have failed to file the BLM paperwork in a timely fashion.
Life intruded, I was late. The BLM is inflexible on this, and are not going
to issue us a permit. They have agreed to issue you, individual use permitswhich we are obtaining for you.

Read that again. Which we will get for you!!!!!

You just show up.

I apologize. This will never ever happen again.

We will do everything we can to take care of you. Those who are already
registered are now members of the NABX ‘Club’ and will have a permit.
We are trying to fix the web site to reflect all of this, and we are.
Anyone who supports us, can register to join the club, but this site will be
redirected to another site, ASAP.

This CLEARLY states that the team will be getting permits for you and that you do not need to get one yourself and will be done for all those that registered.........puzzled why all the panic about not hearing anything when 10 days ago a message was sent to everyone?!.....or is that just me?

van - 27-2-2013 at 12:21 PM

I don't see any thing wrong in what Brian is trying to do which is pass information out to the public. This is valuable information for people that are "NOT" in the NABX club since they are not privilege to Dean's info. Everyone is making it sound like NABX is the only thing going on at Ivanpah. This affects everyone that uses Ivanpah, especially the locals that use it weekly or more often. We are all members of this forum to help and share what we know.

On the subject of whether you can sell or not, the BLM does provide permit for vendors so yes, you can sell. It just wasn't sanctioned by NABX from my understanding. This can be solved easily, get a vendor permit and do your sells away from the event grounds.

Wolfpaklv - 27-2-2013 at 12:22 PM

Hey Nudge, yes your right. The confusion was last week Elaine informed me that they would not issue any more permits...through Dean or otherwise. I was asked to share this info. However she is not a malicious person. She is actually really kind. Since most people had already bought plane tickets and invested money before they knew the permit was not in hand for the event. The BLM decided they would allow people there own permits so they can still show up on the lake and not be hassled by the Ranger.

xtemekiter - 27-2-2013 at 12:24 PM

Wait did BLM change its mind over nite? hallelujah!!! never seen that happen before! maybe it was the 300 phone calls they got this morning? or maybe there never was an issue and things were taken care of initially and only blown out of proportion? either way I'm coming for the first time to see whats the fuss is all about, cant help but to feel the drama in the air, hope it's not like that on the lake bed, otherwise I'm taking my toys and going home. http://www.powerkiteforum.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

:lol:

Matt.

deanaoxo - 27-2-2013 at 12:32 PM

Thanks, and see you in Primm!

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Originally posted by xtemekiter
or maybe there never was an issue and things were taken care of initially and only blown out of proportion? either way I'm coming for the first time to see whats the fuss is all about, cant help but to feel the drama in the air, hope it's not like that on the lake bed, otherwise I'm taking my toys and going home. http://www.powerkiteforum.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

:lol:

Matt.

awindofchange - 27-2-2013 at 01:10 PM

As for Brian and contact with the BLM, Elaine has been in contact with many of us locals on the issues surrounding this event. To help minimize the confusion Brian has unofficially volunteered to bring the discussions and information we have been having with the BLM regarding these issues to the group, the BLM in turn is in full contact with Dean. This has been a work between many people to get things sorted out. The discussions have been ongoing with the BLM, most behind the scenes, on access to the lake bed. Brian has put in a lot of work in smoothing things out and working out a solution so that we can continue to enjoy the best buggy spot in the world. As the old proverb goes, don't shoot the messenger.

I sincerely ask is that everyone please be as kind, courteous and respectful to the BLM as possible. They hold the keys to our fun and are in full control. They will not tolerate or respond to threats or ignorance nor should they. They enjoy us being there, they want us to be there but like anyone else, they will only tolerate so much before they get to the point of just banning it all and not having to deal with it. Elaine is a wonderful person who is willing to work with us, as are the rangers who patrol the area. Please treat all of them with respect and we will continue to have an awesome time on the playa for many years to come.

Thanks.

MDK - 27-2-2013 at 05:25 PM

I spoke with Elaine at BLM, she wants us all to know that she was not bothered by all our inquiries at all. also just in case to clear up the guest issue, the permits are per vehicle drove on to the playa not per person visiting and or buggying. anyone can bug without a permit as long as you drove on with someone with a permit or hoofed it on. so if you are in a RV pulling a car you will need two permits if you disconnect your car on the playa. I hope this helps.
I wont be expressing anymore opinions here but I would like to wish everyone on both sides of this issue well and I would like to thank Brian for bringing this up it was very helpful. now lets go buggy and forget all this nonsense! :)

nocando - 27-2-2013 at 05:41 PM

Well done Dean, BriaN AND OTHERS FOR KEEPING US ALL INFORMED :bigok::bigok::bigok:

Proletariat - 27-2-2013 at 08:20 PM

Someone needs to buy Elaine a nice cake or something and "anonymously" leave it on the BLM doorstep. That's good to know about the permit / car correlation. Thanks!

I find its pretty damn easy to follow (or break, if you feel like it)the rules when you know what they are. Thanks for keeping us in the loop, Nevadans and Californians.

MDK - 27-2-2013 at 08:34 PM

below are some posts between me and dean from the NABX Facebook page, could someone please translate this for me? I don't understand what he is trying to tell me.

dean jordan "As stated many times to folks registered, if you are, you are fine. I really would like to say more, but can't. Please trust and support us, i personally pledge to not do us wrong.
9 hours ago · Like · 4

Mike Kenley "I would like to say more, but can't" puzzled by this statement.....may I ask why you cant? I don't get the secrecy, could you maybe just give us some type reason why you can't say? I have promoted some events in the past and I know what you guys are going through, but when in salvage mode surprises and secrecy may not be the best tactic, just say'en. I will look forward to the "site" going live and hope to see my name on the list as it is not at the moment. thanks
6 hours ago · Like

dean jordan I know it is difficult to understand, but please try your best to imagine that if you say or do something, you will be breaking a federal law.

I am not a law breaker.

I do not condone, nor wish to myself break federal law.

It isn't 'secrecy'. It is prudence.

If you don't know us, i understand, but imagine, most of us have been doing high level stuff that is the topic of many stories.

Would you like to be part of that?

If so, fantastic, you can be. If not, worry. Worry a lot, but let me assure you that your worries will produce nothing while your friends will be enjoying a very special time.

Is this difficult?

Yes. Very. Although for those that trust, show up, and don't believe the hidden agenda of those whose production to date is simply words of a negative nature, aoxomoxoa awaits.

Believe.

MDK - 27-2-2013 at 09:03 PM

I get it now, someone PM'ed me and explained to me something about Unicorns.

Proletariat - 27-2-2013 at 10:31 PM

Dude... I tried to click "like" like 100 times... I think your post is broken.

Oh, and also... I love that conversation. I think I had that same exact conversation with this guy back in college. He was kinda freaked out by authority. But then again, I suppose I'd be pretty freaked out by authority if THE MAN was always bringin' me down, man.

:)

MDK - 27-2-2013 at 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Proletariat
Dude... I tried to click "like" like 100 times... I think your post is broken.

Oh, and also... I love that conversation. I think I had that same exact conversation with this guy back in college. He was kinda freaked out by authority. But then again, I suppose I'd be pretty freaked out by authority if THE MAN was always bringin' me down, man.

:)


LOL :)

MDK - 27-2-2013 at 10:39 PM

communicating with dean took me to a place I have never been before, does this place have a name? :)

Proletariat - 27-2-2013 at 10:50 PM

I think it's aoxomomxomaxoma(land)

deanaoxo - 28-2-2013 at 04:06 AM

Many have plainly stated you need a cardboard tube to translate. Never has this been truer.

That said, before this week is over, the mud will slide to the bottom, the glass will become clearer, and we might all begin to see.

I leave you with this:If only we could embed in this forum, much like the modern interwebz across the world, but hey, clik here, maybe this convoluted link will take you somewhere.

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
communicating with dean took me to a place I have never been before, does this place have a name? :)

bigkid - 28-2-2013 at 08:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by deanaoxo
Many have plainly stated you need a cardboard tube to translate. Never has this been truer.

That said, before this week is over, the mud will slide to the bottom, the glass will become clearer, and we might all begin to see.

I leave you with this:If only we could embed in this forum, much like the modern interwebz across the world, but hey, clik here, maybe this convoluted link will take you somewhere.

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
communicating with dean took me to a place I have never been before, does this place have a name? :)

Interesting, I clicked on the link and all that came up was the new movie, "The Last Exorcism".:puzzled: so I left.

MDK - 28-2-2013 at 08:26 AM

Jeff, that was an add, you needed to give it sec, LOL

MDK - 28-2-2013 at 08:35 AM

I think for dean the world has become ugly and he has gone to a place in his mind that makes it all go away :) I think someone explained it as chasing unicorns LOL :) I think we all do that now and then but dean, you need to come down once in a while :)

deanaoxo - 28-2-2013 at 08:37 AM

Hardly.

...though time will tell.

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
I think for dean the world has become ugly and he has gone to a place in his mind that makes it all go away :) I think someone explained it as chasing unicorns LOL :) I think we all do that now and then but dean, you to come down once in a while :)

Roadkyllphil - 6-3-2013 at 09:16 AM

I try to stay out of the drama that goes on with these things, but, I have to say since the dust seems to have settled some. I commend Dean for having the balls to admit he screwed up. That shows a lot of character to do that. And it appears that he and Brian have been working to make things right. Kudos,I am sure their world has been a number of different hells. I'm still fairly new to the buggy world and enjoy the hell out of it, I look forward to seeing others that enjoy buggying and to spend time with them. Since I have my permit you can look forward to seeing my sorry butt out there and my attempts to stay out of the way of others that are more experienced than I.
With that I have to get ready to go to El Mirage on the 15th - 17th for some St Patty's Day buggy time and comet watching.

deanaoxo - 10-3-2013 at 04:09 AM

Thanks, we try.

I do want to comment about the staying out of the way thing. If you are new, and haven't buggied with others much, the most important thing to remember is to NOT DO ANYTHING.

Seriously, and not singling anyone out at all, but if you are approaching an oncoming buggy with a closing speed of 80mph(you 20, they 60)now is not the time to 'get out of the way'.

I can't remember the number of times that i've spoken with people to ask them why they raised their kite, only to have them say: 'I didn't want to be in the way.'

There is this perception with noobs(remember,everyone was one once)that you have to DO SOMETHING.

Nope.

Continue.

Observe.

Change course very slightly if needed(most likely not).

Breathe.

No need to stay away. If people come close to you, don't run away. Srsly, don't run away. You are not in the way. Most of us love to buggy with others, which is why we go when others are there.

Use this time to get better by watching, by asking questions, and by riding as much as you can.

Use the smallest kite you have to start. Then move up. Take your time, feel secure, then go for it.

Do not raise your kite when approached or being approached. Where your kite is, is fine. Think about walking down a sidewalk and how crazy it would be if everyone got out of everyones way. Chaos. Just keep going.

Oh, and have a little fun willya?

Oh, one last thing, slowing down. This has been covered but here you go. Slowing down on playa is best done by keeping your kite low and heading upwind. I know, you don't do that at home, but out here, you might lift your kite and keep going. Keep it low. You have far more control, and you WILL slow down, it just seems like you are speeding up. The harder the edge, the slower you go. The fastest will always fool you, as there is almost no friction.

Low to slow.

Keep doing what you are doing if approached.

Aoxo coming.



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Originally posted by Roadkyllphil
I try to stay out of the drama that goes on with these things, but, I have to say since the dust seems to have settled some. I commend Dean for having the balls to admit he screwed up. That shows a lot of character to do that. And it appears that he and Brian have been working to make things right. Kudos,I am sure their world has been a number of different hells. I'm still fairly new to the buggy world and enjoy the hell out of it, I look forward to seeing others that enjoy buggying and to spend time with them. Since I have my permit you can look forward to seeing my sorry butt out there and my attempts to stay out of the way of others that are more experienced than I.
With that I have to get ready to go to El Mirage on the 15th - 17th for some St Patty's Day buggy time and comet watching.

Wolfpaklv - 12-3-2013 at 09:07 AM

See you soon Phil! ;)