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Thoughts and prayers

csa_deadon - 13-4-2013 at 11:27 PM

Just wanted to let everyone know one of our own was severely injured today. Josh (heliboy50) was out riding on the Alvord dry lake bed earlier today and had an ugly OBE. Pelvis broken in 5 places and internal bleeding. Flown to Portland Oregon from Burns. No known head or neck injury. Keep him and CeCe in your thoughts.

MDK - 14-4-2013 at 12:18 AM

What! damnit! will do....keep us informed please. Thanks!

mougl - 14-4-2013 at 04:56 AM

I've been chatting with Josh. Though his condition is serious, he is in good spirits and has not lost his sense of humor. His injuries were first thought to be 5 fractures but now they say 3 with one being much worse than the others. First surgery is tomorrow.

Please keep him in your prayers!!

erratic winds - 14-4-2013 at 06:01 AM

Thoughts are with him, glad to hear his spirits are high....

Todd - 14-4-2013 at 06:10 AM

Heal well and fast Josh... Prayers to you.

sand flea - 14-4-2013 at 06:13 AM

My love and prayers for Josh an CeCe

take care and heal well my good friend
Chris C1

WELDNGOD - 14-4-2013 at 06:24 AM

Sorry to hear of this. Josh I hope you Heal well,fast and get back on.....

jellis - 14-4-2013 at 07:18 AM

Josh you know when you get well, CeCe is going to whip your butt for breaking yourself.
You will be in my prayers till i see you well and bugging again.

markite - 14-4-2013 at 07:46 AM

Not good news to hear about the serious OBE but thanks for letting us know. defifinitely in my thoughts and prayers for a full recovery.

van - 14-4-2013 at 08:00 AM

Hoping for a fast recovery!

BeamerBob - 14-4-2013 at 08:18 AM

Oh man, this hit me like a freight train! Makes me sick. Josh is a great guy. Josh, I hope the surgery goes smoothly and healing comes fast. Cece, you'll have to wait a while before pummelling him for getting hurt. ;-)

shaggs2riches - 14-4-2013 at 08:34 AM

Wishing for a speedy recovery from up here in Canada.

RonH - 14-4-2013 at 08:36 AM

Heal up fast Josh!

Bladerunner - 14-4-2013 at 08:59 AM

Oh no . That is terrible news.

It has always been in the back of my mind that something like this would happen. What a lousy place to be stuck waiting for help.

All my best to Josh a Cece.

dirtslide - 14-4-2013 at 09:01 AM

Josh Im so torn to hear this and pray for you and the doctors that will be putting you right again.The only other thing I can say is "everyday after an injury is the next day of healing"

BeamerBob - 14-4-2013 at 09:16 AM

I guessed right. Josh was lofted with a Vapor and it took him up 10-15 feet. He thought he could stick the landing but got spun around while in the air. He said he had some warnings to come in but didn't listen to any of the little voices. :smug: It still makes me a little sick to think of him being hurt. :(

tdmc96 - 14-4-2013 at 09:25 AM

I am so sorry to here what happened josh...I hope you heal fast so we can roll with you again soon brother.
My thoughts and prayers are with both you and Cece.

Ken(K3)

sunset-Jim - 14-4-2013 at 09:40 AM

Josh, dude... our well wishes are with ya. Have a speedy recovery.

indigo_wolf - 14-4-2013 at 10:03 AM

Get better soon, Josh.

All the best to you and CeCe for a speedy recovery.

ATB,
Sam

BEC - 14-4-2013 at 10:22 AM

Josh...I haven't met you yet, but from mougl's comment....Keep up the great attitude...it only makes for a speedy recovery. All the best to you, your surgery and to get back in the saddle again soon. :thumbup:

bigkid - 14-4-2013 at 11:22 AM

had to walk away from this last night when I saw it, made me sick to my stomach.
Glad you are still around to hear the well wishes of all of us, heal well and quickly my friend.
CeCe, you have lots of time to yell at Josh, give him a bit of time to heal, just kidding. If you are anything like my wife, I'm sure you started yelling as soon as it happened.:lol:

Anything you need, just ask.

Scudley - 14-4-2013 at 11:37 AM

Josh,
You will kite again with the help of friends. (that is if you want to). Let Dirtslide be an inspiration.
S

BigMikesKites - 14-4-2013 at 11:46 AM

Thoughts are with you and your family.

take care Josh

revpaul - 14-4-2013 at 12:31 PM

and follow the Doctors orders/instructions...no short cuts.
You'll be back up in good time.
Paul

thanson2001ok - 14-4-2013 at 12:54 PM

Praying for a speedy recovery.

Clive - 14-4-2013 at 02:22 PM

Never good to hear of such incidents, I'm sure all the other buggiers here in Australia along with myself would also wish him well in his recovery.

doneski - 14-4-2013 at 02:51 PM

I hope you have a speedy and full recovery. You'll be in my thoughts and if you want, in my prayers.

elfasa - 14-4-2013 at 03:28 PM

Damn.. Never good news :/ Thoughts and prayers from over the pond..

Tim

mougl - 14-4-2013 at 03:31 PM

Been keeping in contact with Josh via text. Keeping spirits high as before, sense of humor still good. I asked him if he's been getting any rest and he responded "Unicorns..." so I assumed his pain had been eased...that was later confirmed :lol::lol::lol: The OBE was indeed a nasty one. Ill let him elaborate on that when he peeks in on PKF.

beachrights - 14-4-2013 at 03:36 PM

Ouch! Josh recently sold me his 3 Vipers he had- thought I only know him from this forum I do feel like one of my friends has been hurt. I went back to my U2U from him and I and I quote

"I'm not selling because I don't like them, more that I have WAY too much redundancy and have come close enough to the performance limits that I want a little more"

Guess you went a teenie bit too far to the other side! Heal fast and get back on that Horse.

buggeyed - 14-4-2013 at 04:19 PM

Very sorry to hear this.Best wishes for your recovery Josh.

treblehook - 14-4-2013 at 04:33 PM

Speedy recovery@ ya. From us down in SE Texas

abkayak - 14-4-2013 at 05:14 PM

So sad to hear....heel well

3shot - 14-4-2013 at 05:39 PM

Have never met you, but get well soon brother!!

Another reality check for us all.......

We are all in this sport together....

KAZEDOKA - 14-4-2013 at 05:41 PM

Healing Prayers from the South West

Cheddarhead - 14-4-2013 at 05:43 PM

So sorry that this happened! Even though I don't personally know you, I still get very upset when someone from my kiting family is injured. I really hope the healing process goes quickly for you and your back out doing what you love. Take care. ATB

Rob.

shehatesmyhobbies - 14-4-2013 at 06:05 PM

I am saddened by his injuries, I have talked on the phone with Josh, Cool dude. I wish him the best and please keep us updated!

skimtwashington - 14-4-2013 at 07:48 PM

As a member of this open extended kiting family on PKF.... Wishing a speedy recovery to one of the kiting brethren.

hiaguy - 14-4-2013 at 07:49 PM

Heal well and soon Josh.
It's never good when a family member (at home or out kiting) gets hurt. Know that there is an entire family of friends and friends-to-be looking for you to be back on the playa.

soliver - 14-4-2013 at 07:50 PM

Get well soon, prayers are with you!!!

stetson05 - 14-4-2013 at 09:14 PM

Josh I feel your pain. I was so lucky to not be hurt worse myself a couple of years ago. I am glad they got you flown out. I hope the surgeries go well and you heal quickly. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

BB thanks for the info on how it happened. It is so important to pay attention and learn from others so that we can all remain safe. If any other good info comes out of this please share. I personally bought some hillbilly pants after my crash to hopefully save my a$$ next time.



Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
I guessed right. Josh was lofted with a Vapor and it took him up 10-15 feet. He thought he could stick the landing but got spun around while in the air. He said he had some warnings to come in but didn't listen to any of the little voices. :smug: It still makes me a little sick to think of him being hurt. :(

AnnieO - 15-4-2013 at 05:40 AM

So sorry to hear about this Josh. We're rooting for you to have a full and speedy recovery. Prayers being sent your way too...

pongnut - 15-4-2013 at 06:05 AM

That sucks bro! Get well, and enjoy the food ;-)

Kamikuza - 15-4-2013 at 06:12 AM

Aw dude, ouch - that sucks :( best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery :karate:

acampbell - 15-4-2013 at 06:21 AM

Josh we are all rooting for you. Many prayers from here in Georgia and all around the kiting world.

Feyd - 15-4-2013 at 06:23 AM

Sorry to hear about your accident, sounds like a hell of a hit. Take care and best wishes toward a fast recovery. :yes:

B-Roc - 15-4-2013 at 06:28 AM

My thoughts and prayers are with you for a speedy and complete recovery. Sorry this happened and I hope to see you back on PKF soon.

Mainekite - 15-4-2013 at 06:31 AM

So sorry to hear of your injuries and pray for your complete and speedy recovery. We all need to never forget the power we are dealing with.

kitemaker4 - 15-4-2013 at 07:11 AM

Heal fast.

Susan (npw goddess)

Morrie Williams - 15-4-2013 at 07:45 AM

Kelci and I send our best to Josh and CeeCee. Heal fast Josh!

heliboy50 - 15-4-2013 at 07:55 AM

Many, many thanks to all of you for the concern and well wishes. I'm pretty sore just about now, still no surgery scheduled, but thanks to my family and friends, and to my PKF family as well my spirits are high. I've taken a turn or 2 at lot of other sports, and I must say that kiters are some of the most genuine people I have ever met. Your concerns are much appreciated, and don't worry- y'all aren't getting rid of me that easy! :smilegrin: Besides, I have a score to settle with that vapor now.:thumbup:

mougl - 15-4-2013 at 08:41 AM

Oh hell yeah!!!!

stetson05 - 15-4-2013 at 09:31 AM

It would be tough not to settle that score in a bonfire. keep pushing that pain button when you need it Josh. You deserve it. Stay tough!

AviN - 15-4-2013 at 10:54 AM

Wish you all the best Josh :sniff:
Get well fast and back on the horse (..with the wheels :smilegrin: )

Dagon - 15-4-2013 at 10:55 AM

Glad to hear you are feeling better, I have been wanting to check out that lake but this gives me some pause. Whatever you do dont burn the Vapor, those are sweet kites, just give it a firm scolding.

awindofchange - 15-4-2013 at 11:17 AM

Hoping for the best and a speedy recovery for you Josh. Sorry to hear about your injury and we're all here for you.

heliboy50 - 15-4-2013 at 11:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dagon
Glad to hear you are feeling better, I have been wanting to check out that lake but this gives me some pause. Whatever you do dont burn the Vapor, those are sweet kites, just give it a firm scolding.


Lol, no fire Dagon. Don't let my mistake discourage a trip out there. It is like visiting a whole different planet. After I rehab this I would love to ride out there with you. It is a rather extreme place but so very worth it.

Dagon - 15-4-2013 at 02:35 PM

that sounds awesome, are there good winds in the summertime? my friend wants to take a trip this summer and that sounds like the perfect place. maybe in July?

heliboy50 - 15-4-2013 at 03:41 PM

Summer is a tough one out there. I gets pretty hot during the day. From my trips this past year, I would say that you can get riding in then, but it is inconsistent. What I saw was what I called a sun set blow that usually lasted for 45 minutes to an hour and a half as the sun was setting behind Steens mountain on the west side. My theory on it is that the playa as a whole is big enough to effect the atmospheric pressure above it by acting like a giant heat exchanger. Temp swings of 40+ degrees as the sun sets are the norm for that time of year. If you want to explore, see what it's all about, have a good time, but be ready for some brain baking sun then summer is ok. You just have to know that on a short trip you may not get the conditions you want

If you want to try to go really fast you will generally need to chase storms. The best riding I saw was in September and October, although you can get it now too (hence my injury, oops.) It does present some problems for tent camping at these times of year, but you can either car camp, stay at Fields station, or tent it. We (my family, csa-deadon and his daughter) have done all 3 but your average tent doesn't provide much shelter in the good riding weather. My honest recommendation would be to stay at Fields Station. It's about 20 miles away, but you can see all the way to the playa from the parking lot. Nice to be able to get out of the elements and get a shower and a real bed. Rooms are available there from $65 to $90 a night. Not 5 star, but they are a comfortable home base. There are only 4 rooms available, but they range from 2 to 3 bedrooms with queen sized beds. Call ahead for reservations and be aware also that during peak hunting seasons these rooms go fast.

Alvord is an amazing place, even non-riders are left speechless the first time they see it. If you want more info, call or e-mail me.

sand flea - 15-4-2013 at 04:32 PM

Dang Josh! I was looking forward to hearing how you are doing today and here you are on the forum!
I am very glad you are going to be OK, you had us worried Bro!

Keep up the good spirits my friend and I look forward to seeing you.
If there is anything I can do, please let me know!
Chris C1

Bladerunner - 15-4-2013 at 04:54 PM

How great to see you online and in good spirits.
:bigok:

Sorry but I have to ask but it is driving me crazy.

How did things play out after the accident ? Who was with you and how soon did they know you were down ? Is there cell coverage on the lake ? Is that how you got help ? How long before they got some pain med's into you ?

From the 1st time I heard of Alvord I questioned these things. It's like you lived my nightmare !

WELDNGOD - 15-4-2013 at 05:48 PM

Let us all reflect on the fact. "When you push the envelope,sometimes it tears."
Not to say anything is wrong with pushing the envelope,that is how we find our bounds. I too had a few "warnings" before I flipped and broke my shoulder,I didn't listen either. Brothers and Sisters, when that lil voice starts in ... Listen to it.
Glad you are feelin well enough to be online Josh. Be sure to post up a play by play. You know we all want to know "what not to do".
WG

Kober - 15-4-2013 at 06:54 PM

speedy recovery wishes from NJ

MDK - 15-4-2013 at 07:23 PM

I can't freaken believe it! he is no doubt laying in a hospital bed while promoting Alvord! :) love this! one tough customer :) it is a huge relief to hear from you Josh! thanks for posting. I bet everyone has the same questions that Bladerunner asked and would be very interested in the details when you are feeling up to it :) I do know that there is very good cell service on the playa with Sprint, T-moble, and Verizon. during our first camping adventure there we had lightning strike and cause a fire on the mountainside, we called 911 and someone was there to check it out within 35 min. I think there are EMS trained volunteers within 35 min. but lets wait to hear how things went for Josh.

heliboy50 - 15-4-2013 at 10:23 PM

I was about 4 miles out on the lake bed. A large gust nearly knocked CeCe over, and she was concerned with how big it was so she started to look for me. We had talked about it before hand, what she needed to look for incase I did get in trouble. Heavy conditions, but ridable.

After the accident I was down for probably 5-10 minutes before she got to me. Cell coverage is spotty, but she got an emergency call through to Burns, the nearest large town. Unfortunately the folks in Burns really don't seem to know where Alvord is or much about it (which we kind of already knew. Some people there are vaguely aware of something out there but that's about it.) Finally she was able to get enough of a signal to relate to the emergency people in Burns that we were 20 miles from Fields Station, which the operator was familiar with. We were told that Fields had a 1st responder. He is a local ranch hand named Mike, to whom I owe a debt of extreme gratitude. The Burns emergency people were able to contact Mike but it was pretty comfortably an hour before he was able to get to us. He has limited resources, but can help make an injured person comfortable, provide oxygen, and help guide EMS to the location, which he did.

An ambulance was dispatched from Burns, but the left their facility before they knew precisely where we were and ended up taking the 205 route which is about 45 minutes longer of a drive but is almost entirely paved (the extra drive time was troublesome to Mike but they were already on their way. 1:45 later they called from Fields Station for some final location info and what to expect upon arrival. It took almost 4 hours from when I was injured for EMS to get to me and start first aid. I asked if they could do anything for pain, to which one of them replied "Oh yes. They don't call me Gretta the snow queen for nothing." That first shot of morphine was a beautiful thing, let me tell you. After that, I was loaded into the ambulance, (2 ranch hands, one also named Mike, and one named P.J. helped CeCe take apart my buggy and load it in the car, PJ drove a couple of miles out onto the lake bed and found my kite,) and taken to Burns hospital by the shorter gravel road to ORS 78.

The ambulance crew checked me for other injuries and got me warmed back up. I was a little hypothermic after laying on the ground in the wind for so long. The ambulance crew were very courteous and thorough, and had me back to the Burns hospital in less than an hour and a half. After some CAT scans in Burns, it was determined that the hospital in Bend, OR would not have the trauma capabilities that I needed. Then came a flurry of phone calls to try to find a pilot to fly me to Portland. This took several hours, and I think I finally made it to Legacy Emanuel Hospital trauma section at about 11 pm Saturday night, just a little under 12 hours after my accident.

I can't say enough about the efforts made by both the first responders from the local ranches, as well as the determination and dedication of the Burns EMS personnel to get me the help help that I needed and to make me as comfortable as possible with the limited resources that they have. And lastly, but most importantly, I would like to give a special thank you to my girl Corren"CeCe" Ferrell who stayed there with me until I was put on the plane to come back up to Portland. Thank you Curly Girly!

bigkid - 16-4-2013 at 12:19 AM

Glad things worked out all the way to the hospital. I laugh now thinking how it went for my trip to the hospital. You at least had morphine for the drive, I can still remember every rock, bump, crack, turn, hill, and each grain of sand that shouldn't be in that spot or on the road. They scooped up 3 cups of sand out of my hospital bed on my first trip to X-ray.

Enjoy the morphine, but hate the side effects. Have they gave CeCe anything to help her pain yet? Hang in there girl, he will get better.:thumbup:

Bladerunner - 16-4-2013 at 06:48 AM

Wow Josh,

Thanks for sharing that. Almost exactly as I imagined accept I thought CeCe would have to drive to cell coverage. Wondered if you would be baking or freezing but knew the desert is rarely just right.

So glad you made it through and that Gretta did her thing to help with the rest of the wait.

Glad you are down but not out! :thumbup:

BeamerBob - 16-4-2013 at 08:23 AM

Wow, that's tough to think of you laying there in pain that long. Glad you are warm and with managed pain now. CeCe is an angel, but you knew that. :bigok:

MDK - 16-4-2013 at 08:55 AM

Wow! 12 hours! not good, not dissing the respondors but I think there is a better way. Because I work for a hospital I am a member of Air St. Lukes but anyone can purchase a membership. it is a 2 hour flight from Meridian Idaho. I suggest becoming a member of Air St Lukes http://www.stlukesonline.org/specialties_and_services/ASL/se... its cheap and could have you arriving at a full trama center in around 4-6 hours. I will look into more details on this and post what I learn.

heliboy50 - 17-4-2013 at 12:25 AM

@Bladerunner- Cell coverage is spotty, she had to wander around for a bit to get signal sometimes, and weather does have some effect on radio signal strength. I had also been heading to the NNE on my course which put me in line with one of the highest peaks in the Steens mountains. For those unfamiliar with Alvord, the Steens are mountains that literally butt up against a big chunk of the western shoreline, rising to almost 6000' above the playa. Other areas of the lake bed seem to get better coverage, even data coverage. We were unlucky enough to be in a bit of a dead spot.

@Bobby- Yes she is and yes I am. CeCe stayed right there with me, only taking few steps away to try to get better signal or couple of hundred feet when I asked her to go get my buggy.... so I could see how fast I was going. Strange yes, but focusing on small things or finding humor helps eliminate panic.

@MDK- Depending on the severity of the accident and availablity, Burns can dispatch aircraft. I would Imagine that would be a little weather dependent as well. First responder Mike was talking about some of the ATV accidents he'd seen out on the playa. The gist of it was compound fractures and other more obiously serious injuries got the helicopter no matter what. Others were on a case by case basis, or if aircraft were unavailable. In my case I was stable and not in shock, so they elected to go by ground.

Some of the planning for the October event that I am working to put together was to investigate what options there were for dealing with emegencies out there, or even just unfortunate situations. I had hoped to come about some of the info in a different way obviously, but life happens. Sean did some checking and found out pricing and even rental unit satellite phones, so that would eliminate one big problem. We also now have a phone number for a 1st responder in the area so we can contact him directly to get him en route faster than having to go through Burns 911 and have them do it. GPS is essential out there, and make sure everyone in the group is familiar with how to use them. Being able to relay GPS coordinates to emergancy personnel would also be a good thing.

Sean and I are still compiling a list that includes phone numbers, names, distances to various locations, etc., as well as some basic do's and don'ts that will assist those wanting to make the trek.

heliboy50 - 17-4-2013 at 12:25 AM

-EDIT- Double post. Pain meds :wow::wee:

MDK - 17-4-2013 at 07:45 AM

Yep, that is exactly what I am learning too, only the less painful way. Josh you are a trooper for sure! Thanks for your efforts on this! That is fantastic, just that you have first responder contact! let me know if there is anything I can help with for October, I think you are going to have plenty other things to worry about.

stetson05 - 17-4-2013 at 07:52 AM

Something I use when I am out in the middle of no where is one of those spot devices. If you are injured like you were you just push 911 and the gps coordinates get sent to EMS via satellite. I have often wondered if they would send a chopper or ambulance. Probably depends on where you are.

I am not surprised they sent a ground unit. If they had a better indication that you were as injured as you are they would have probably sent a chopper. They probably couldn't tell until they took some images. All of our pelvis fractures get shipped to a level 1 trauma center. You can loose 1500ml of blood in your pelvis and it is no small injury. Pelvis fractures themselves qualify to upgrade from a moderate trauma to a full trauma but we often don't know at first. Jeff, you would have been a full too. Both of you are VERY LUCKY.

Pad up and ride on.

bigkid - 17-4-2013 at 08:06 AM

Brings back to many memories for me, with that I welcome Josh into the club as a new recruit. When, and if you end up with a bit of titanium, you will become a full member.:lol: Hoping you dont need to have surgery but if its needed.....and yes weather does affect that area.

As for the cell coverage, on my last trip I had 3 phones with 3 different carriers and the only one that worked 95% of the time was with AT&T, with a bit of movement it was 100%.
The use of walky talky's is a good idea also for simple communication on the playa, only you need to keep it with you and not leave it in the middle of the lakebed, right MDK? (most any will do as long as you are all on the same channel)

MDK - 17-4-2013 at 08:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by stetson05
Something I use when I am out in the middle of no where is one of those spot devices. If you are injured like you were you just push 911 and the gps coordinates get sent to EMS via satellite. I have often wondered if they would send a chopper or ambulance. Probably depends on where you are.

I am not surprised they sent a ground unit. If they had a better indication that you were as injured as you are they would have probably sent a chopper. They probably couldn't tell until they took some images. All of our pelvis fractures get shipped to a level 1 trauma center. You can loose 1500ml of blood in your pelvis and it is no small injury. Pelvis fractures themselves qualify to upgrade from a moderate trauma to a full trauma but we often don't know at first. Jeff, you would have been a full too. Both of you are VERY LUCKY.

Pad up and ride on.


so what you're saying is Ce Ce should have given him some visible injuries and they would have sent the chopper? :) kidding aside, thanks for that info, something to look into!

MDK - 17-4-2013 at 08:23 AM

Ha ha ! Jeff yes, :) I did find it the next day though, amazingly, since I had no idea where I lost it.

heliboy50 - 17-4-2013 at 08:28 AM

Surgery in about 45 minutes, nervous so I'm babbling. Might be useful to try a couple of different brands of radios to see what practical ranges they really have. I know in September when MDK, Jeff, and Gerald came out I tried calling mike with mine from the other side. I could tell it was Christie on the other end but things were pretty garbled and not of much use for actual communication. This would ne another thing to add to a recommended equipment list. As soon as I have committed more of this to paper (well ok hard disk space) I'll start a new thread and probably include a link for an Alvord FAQ of sorts. Been collecting a lot of info on resources in the area, as well as distances and gps coordinates. Also I'll include what the October event plan is shaping up to look like, so it would be good to hear peoples preferences on dates and duration. I've already spoken to Rich regarding making it a NAPKA sanctioned and insured event.

bigkid - 17-4-2013 at 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by MDK
Ha ha ! Jeff yes, :) I did find it the next day though, amazingly, since I had no idea where I lost it.

the fact it was camo colored didnt help.
On the new walkie talkies, they have an emergency button which is monitored for this specific reason. It give out the GPR concordances and they can also talk back to you on that emergency channel.(I accidentally pushed it to see if it really worked, had a nice chat with the guy on the other end):saint:
This is kinda like the ones I have.

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BeamerBob - 17-4-2013 at 08:59 AM

My family frequently found ourselves on hikes with no cell coverage and ended up separated so we picked up some radios to allow us to get grouped back together. No emergency button on them but they have a 50 mile range in optimal conditions, submersible, and privacy codes so we don't have to listen to anyone elses conversations. I figure they should work all around a lakebed since there aren't many obstacles between radios.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/i-market_2259_412422714

3shot - 17-4-2013 at 09:18 AM

Josh's, Jeff's, and Donnie's injuries have got me thinking more about some sort of short term disability insurance.
Not just for kiting, but general piece of mind. Like many others, I'm more prone to get hurt outside of work goofing and playing. Then what do we do? :dunno:

My problem is the older I get, the younger I think I am. Tried the skimboard thing last year btw. Oh what a bad idea that was.... :no: :no: :embarrased:

Glad to see you are up in spirits Josh!! Heal up soon bro!

Morrie Williams - 17-4-2013 at 09:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by heliboy50
I've already spoken to Rich regarding making it a NAPKA sanctioned and insured event.


Don't forget that this is ONLY liability insurance for land owner (BLM) and/or organizers. Individuals MUST be current NAPKA members.

Good luck with your pending surgery. Hope to see you soon.

bigkid - 17-4-2013 at 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 3shot
Josh's, Jeff's, and Donnie's injuries have got me thinking more about some sort of short term disability insurance.
Not just for kiting, but general piece of mind. Like many others, I'm more prone to get hurt outside of work goofing and playing. Then what do we do? :dunno:

My problem is the older I get, the younger I think I am. Tried the skimboard thing last year btw. Oh what a bad idea that was.... :no: :no: :embarrased:

Glad to see you are up in spirits Josh!! Heal up soon bro!


Whats that duck say? AAAAFLAC I think:lol:My wife has this for me and herself now, would have been better to have it before.

ChrisH - 17-4-2013 at 04:14 PM

WOW, what a story! Hope you have a speedy recovery!

Txshooter38 - 17-4-2013 at 04:33 PM

http://www.findmespot.com/en/

My wife and I got one of these because we are out of cell phone range on so many of our "adventures" Some peace of mind if the cell phone does not work.

A speedy recovery to you Heli....really puts things in perspective.

Bladerunner - 17-4-2013 at 05:10 PM

Morrie makes an important point.

Personal injury insurance is every riders own choice and something I think every rider should look into .
NAPKA insurance is a different thing. If the BLM rule I read about saying "maximum 12 people or it's an event" thing is correct then NAPKA insurance could solve that issue. They can supply the liability insurance Required by the BLM ( or other land owners ) .

If somebody was injured at a NAPKA event personal insurance would be their responsibility. NAPKA would only be protecting the land owner and host of the event .

Please don't confuse NAPKA membership with personal protection.

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Welcome back from the table Josh! I sure hope it's all good news! Your PKF family is there with you !:saint:

heliboy50 - 18-4-2013 at 09:18 AM

Thanks guys. I'm in a lot of pain from surgery yesterday, but I'll make it. I am aware of what the napka insurance coverage provides and that it doesn't cover the participants but rather the land owner and more specifically the event sponsors and organizers; this is one of the main reasons for making this a napka event. The other reason I felt it was the right direction to go was that it could help boost napka membership. I told Rich that we would have waivers and a scanner or something so they could be sumittted, and the capacity to accept payments and produce number plates onsite.

ripsessionkites - 18-4-2013 at 09:56 AM

get well soon