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anti-dust penetration leap system...

dirtslide - 21-5-2013 at 07:19 PM

I had a email sent to me from France the other day form , Buggy Kite Shop. They are working on a compound that will make the rubber , as they describe it " Anti-dust penetration leap system " and is for the Sysmic 17 inch wheels . Interesting to see if out on the dry lakes this is effective and will help keep the tire stuck and not sliding. If you check out there web site you can see the new rubber but it is not available yet, they say sometime in June it will be ready.

indigo_wolf - 21-5-2013 at 07:42 PM

I am still trying to suss out what a lenticular wheel is.

It's always fun to read translated verbiage of technical specs or production descriptions. Almost as fun as assembly instructions.

I guess it could be worse. At least, it's not disarming procedures for explosives.

ATB,
Sam

dirtslide - 21-5-2013 at 07:48 PM

Sam I was hoping you would be looking at this one ,if anyone can get us some insight I knew it would from you. thanks.

indigo_wolf - 21-5-2013 at 07:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dirtslide

Sam I was hoping you would be looking at this one ,if anyone can get us some insight I knew it would from you. thanks.

I am so going to develop a complex.

ATB,
Sam

dirtslide - 21-5-2013 at 08:03 PM

Go ahead we wont mind.

BeamerBob - 21-5-2013 at 08:27 PM

Are these intended for beach use or lakebed? Couldn't tell. Design looks to be for lakebed use.

indigo_wolf - 21-5-2013 at 09:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by indigo_wolf

I am still trying to suss out what a lenticular wheel is.

ATB,
Sam

Zoinks.... ok... what threw me was "lenticular" is a term that I associate with optics and a biconvex lens.

"roues lenticulaire" --> "lenticular wheels" is apparently the French term for a disc wheel because of the biconvex shape when viewed head on.

Gosh dern ferreners.... they have a different word for everything. :o

ATB,
Sam

indigo_wolf - 21-5-2013 at 09:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob

Are these intended for beach use or lakebed? Couldn't tell. Design looks to be for lakebed use.

I expect, disc wheels would scream lakebed or really hardpack/sun baked beach.

ATB,
Sam

bigkid - 22-5-2013 at 07:30 AM

I had the glorious chance to use the 17" Sysmic wheels at Sunset Beach, Ivanpah, WW, and Jibe, as did a few others that wanted a run with the Libre Hardcore and the 17" wheels.
I had some IRC tires on the wheels, and used 2 different sizes to see how they differed.

The only difference between the tire sizes that I could find was the ease of removal and installation of the tires on and off the wheels.
As for the sticky rubber aspect, (I have owned and ridden more motorcycles than I remember, my wife has a CBR 100RR). I looked into that at the time of searching for the 17" tire that would fit the wheel. For a motorcycle a sticky tire is what you want if you are racing, or doing a lot of high speed cornering. The sticky tire has more adhesion to the road, thus allowing higher speeds in cornering with the end result, you are wasting away the tire in only a few miles. Now, a harder or less sticky tire will last longer as it is made of harder rubber will grip the road less than the sticky tire, but the trade off is more miles of life.
I talked to a few motorcycle shops in the search for the tires and soft/hard rubber compounds was discussed until the discovery of 17" tires came into perspective. !7" wheels are not popular here in the States so they are hard to find let alone get soft/sticky/hard tires of your choice.

The issue with sticky tires on a surface as Ivanpah is they stick to the dirt and as soon as the tire rotates one revolution they are dirty and dont stick any more because there isnt any hard surface to rub off the stuff that sticks. Not to say that scrubbing off the rubber isnt the key but from what I found was, why pay 100.00 for tires that will wear out 10 times faster than the 25.00 tires that work as close to the other that only a few hard core racers will be able to tell the difference.
Now throw in the different sand types of the beaches I rode on and how they handle soft, wet, hard, and dry conditions.
The 17" wheels work well at Ivanpah, and Jibe the best due to the hard surface. Sunset Beach was the next best if you stayed out of the dry stuff near the dunes. WW was not a good place for them as you had to stay as close to the water as possible and then you had to have the speed or power to get through the soft stuff which was 95% of the beach (bladerunner was unable to use his coyotes at WW).

They have there place in the buggy world, but as the only wheels you have will limit your buggy time. The trade off is they are very smooth, almost zero rolling resistance and they make the bumps a bit less dramatic as they are a larger diameter than the barrows.
In all fairness to the feel of the wheels as to the others I have a suspension system on the front tire of my Libre which makes a ton of difference in itself, still gives a good representation to the other tires and wheels.

I will not sell my 17" wheels as they are a sweet ride if the surface is hard enough to use them, if not, the BF's are going to get some more use.
As for the sticky tires, the stickier the tire, the faster it wears out, which doesnt perform good enough for me to spend the extra $$$ over and over again for a difference that is hard to detect for me. (the tire issue itself is one of those things that will open a can of worms without trying)

BeamerBob - 22-5-2013 at 08:11 AM

Thanks for that perspective Jeff. I'm thrilled with the tires that come on the Landseglers. I wouldn't pay more for tires that wear out faster either.

bigkid - 22-5-2013 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob

Thanks for that perspective Jeff. I'm thrilled with the tires that come on the Landseglers. I wouldn't pay more for tires that wear out faster either.

They do make the ride a lot smoother. The Libre front suspension makes it ride like a town car.
Been on a barrow wheeled buggy lately to appreciate the larger wheels? I dont think I will use the barrows any more, kinda dont care for them now.
Heck, I was running Bigfoots out at Ivanpah. Now that was a smooth ride. :lol:

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dirtslide - 22-5-2013 at 10:43 AM

I think I will still give these new tires from Sysmic a try after all they are being developed with input from a kite buggy company and that may be a first. There is no price listed yet but the 17 inch tire that they have been selling in the past is only 43$ so I cant see the new one being as expensive as a race compound motor cycle tire. Iwill wait and see what they list for plus the cost of shipping and then decide if I really need them, because I know I want them.:evil:

bigkid - 22-5-2013 at 10:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by dirtslide

I think I will still give these new tires from Sysmic a try ......................................... because I know I want them.:evil:

You my friend have a problem, I think you need an intervention. :lol:

Normally this is how a newbie acts, or someone going through manopause. :lol:

dirtslide - 22-5-2013 at 11:03 AM

Manopause for me, and besides, I have all this cash and need something to do with it.

dirtslide - 22-5-2013 at 03:06 PM

Found a picture of the new tire.

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