Power Kite Forum

suspension

apple-jack - 5-10-2006 at 05:43 AM

Hi everybody,

maybe this could be of interest:
http://www.skyjagger.de/sevenstormydays/buggy/viper_eng.htm

Let me know, if it is useful. Then I'll translate some more articles...

Greetings

Apple-Jack

popeyethewelder - 5-10-2006 at 06:59 AM

yeah very useful....and interesting

kitemaker4 - 5-10-2006 at 08:16 AM

Very good reading.

Thanks for posting.

Susan

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raycapp1 - 5-10-2006 at 11:50 PM

same set up they use on small trailers in the uk

popeyethewelder - 6-10-2006 at 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by raycapp1
same set up they use on small trailers in the uk
yeah what I thought, same as my trailer, just never thought you could get light enough ones, ie my trailer takes about 500kg for a buggy I would want more like 200kg

raycapp1 - 6-10-2006 at 10:58 AM

think your idear was good with what looked to be mono rear push bike suspention!!!! thats got to be they way forward fully adjustable

popeyethewelder - 8-10-2006 at 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by raycapp1
think your idear was good with what looked to be mono rear push bike suspention!!!! thats got to be they way forward fully adjustable


TBH with you suspension on buggies is really a cosmetic thing....looks good but no reall effect, run bigfoots with some air out and you will achieve the same effect, have the suspension with too low poundage springs the the buggy will roll when powered up, too hard and you notice no difference at all......like I said looks only IMHO

Carl

apple-jack - 8-10-2006 at 02:04 AM

Hello Popeye,

I wouldn't call it a cosmetic thing ;)

I own a big buggy with overall suspension and bigfoots and a small 'hardseater' running on barrows. I can't do wheelies with the big one because it is too wide (2m), too long (2.3m) and too heavy (app. 55kg). That's what the smaller one is for. But going 45mph across an uneven beach (washboards, washouts a.s.o.) costs a lot of nerve in the small buggy.

You'll have experienced the 'buggy dance' (don't know the proper term for that), that is, your wheels dance in a field of washouts. Suspension will hand you back real control.

Also you'll have been beating fast, immense pull tearing at your harness. Crossing lumps, bumps or debris will send you sidewinding, when you don't want it. That's what suspension's for.

I agree, it adds a lot of weight to the paracart and makes you want bigger kites. So suspension is costly in more than one way. But the increase in safety and comfort is substantial, especially when running on a bumpy terrain.

I also agree, very soft (4 - 6psi) bigfoots will dampen any rattles on your footpegs and thus leave the dentistry undisturbed, but they can't really deal with washouts, tideways, lumps and small dogs on the beach.

Besides, being of my age (45yrs) gives you a real reason for a rocking chair :yes:

Finally, equipping your bug with suspension is an excellent excuse for heading to the shop :smilegrin:

I'm glad, we talked about it :wink2:

Apple-Jack

LesHemmes 101klein.jpg - 252kB

apple-jack - 8-10-2006 at 02:06 AM

here's a pic of the other

Bug's Scooter FS.JPG - 91kB

popeyethewelder - 8-10-2006 at 10:59 AM

small dogs on the beach....omg what are you running over...lmao

seriously your big bug is a beauty.

The name of it escapes me now, there is a UK guy sponsered with one, it certainly throws the trail and rake argument out of the window with that front end ehh.

Can you send me some close up of it to my email popeyethewelder@gmail.com I have seen these buggies before but not close up, looks a fine piece of engineering

Carl

raycapp1 - 8-10-2006 at 12:12 PM

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Can you send me some close up of it to my email popeyethewelder@gmail.com I have seen these buggies before but not close up, looks a fine piece of engineering

Carl

look out popeyes about buzz buzz grind grind lol should i order 1 now lol only jelloues i cant tig weild only mig:sniff:

popeyethewelder - 8-10-2006 at 10:38 PM

lol no not going to make one I dont have the equipment....just want to look thats all......honest:P

apple-jack - 9-10-2006 at 08:47 AM

Hi Popeye,
my buggy used to be a Windtools Scooter Extreme, that was actually smaller than a P. Lynn folding buggy. Its production has been discontinued around '97.

Scooter, aluminium side rails and fork:
http://www.medienkonzepte.de/KITE/FRAME/POWER/PowerE.html

Scooter Extreme, stainless side rails and fork:
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-38928/scooter.gif

I extended the length of frame by 250mm, put on a different axle, redesigned the seat frame and gave it a new front end.

This is most likely what you want in terms of a close look:
http://www.skyjagger.de/sevenstormydays/einarmigerbandit.htm

I'm still working on the english version, it'll be online in a few days.

To my knowledge mine is the only one that has this monolever steering with suspension... can't remember having made another one :smilegrin:

I'll let you know, when the english version is online

Greetings

Apple-Jack

popeyethewelder - 9-10-2006 at 09:09 AM

Thanks I had seen that site before, I knew I had seen it somewhere, I have even got printed out pictures of it.....nice one, how does it run etc etc

apple-jack - 9-10-2006 at 11:19 AM

:) OK ! Here's the English version of the article

http://www.skyjagger.de/sevenstormydays/onearmbandit.htm

Have Fun

Apple-Jack



PS: Vielen Dank an meinen Freund Christian!