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Apollo 11 - Man on the Moon July 1969

Windy Heap - 26-7-2013 at 09:55 AM

Damnnn this used to be a fine USA country with pride, goals, and direction.








Saturn IV, lets put a man on the moon.

Launched July 16th 1969, moon landing July 20th, 1969.


It was the largest, most powerful rocket ever built and, having served as the launch platform for the Apollo manned moon mission, probably qualifies as the most famous rocket as well.

The Saturn V's task may have been the most monumental in a clearly audacious project. While earlier rockets struggled to put even small capsules into Earth orbit, the Apollo program needed to heft a complex package consisting of a Command Module, a lunar lander and a capsule capable of returning home after a round trip of more than a half-million miles.

It took more than a decade of debate to come up with the final design of the Saturn V and the Apollo spacecraft it would blast into the heavens. Research on a 1 million-pound thrust engine actually began in 1953. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) gave approval to the Saturn development program on New Year's Eve, 1959.

A team led by German-born Wernher von Braun at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala., came up with a 3-stage design that stood 363 ft. tall--60 ft. taller than the Statue of Liberty--when the Apollo spacecraft was sitting on the launchpad. When fully loaded with propellants, the rocket weighed 6.2 million pounds. It had more than 3 million parts. At full throttle, its five first-stage engines produced a thundering 7.6 million pounds of thrust at liftoff. All told, a Saturn V churned out more power than 85 Hoover Dams or, if you prefer, enough energy to light up New York City for 75 minutes.



Blast Off
A moon mission was, in a sense, a study in attrition. Igniting seconds before actual liftoff, turbopumps with the power of 30 diesel locomotives forced 15 tons of kerosene and liquid oxygen fuel per second into the five F-1 engines. The first stage burned for approximately 2.5 minutes, driving the astronauts into their seats with the equivalent of 4.5 times the force of gravity, or 4.5 g's. After rising to an altitude of 38 miles, the 138-ft.-long, 33-ft.-dia. first stage shut off, separated, and burned up while dropping back through the atmosphere.

The second stage, relying on two J-2 engines, burned 260,000 gal. of liquid hydrogen and 83,000 gal. of liquid oxygen for 6 minutes, lifting the spacecraft to 115 miles before separating.

The third stage consisted of a single J-2 engine that generated 225,000 pounds of thrust and burned for another 2.75 minutes, producing an orbital velocity of around 17,500 mph. But it did not immediately separate. Instead, the remaining structure continued to orbit Earth until a "go/no-go" decision was made by Mission Control in Houston. At that time, the third-stage rocket, technically known as an S-IVB, reignited and achieved "translunar injection." Once escape velocity, the speed needed to overcome Earth's gravity, or 24,500 mph, was achieved, the S-IVB was discarded as well.

The process of elimination continued over the course of the mission. The lower level of the Lunar Excursion Module was left on the moon. By the time three weary astronauts splashed down during their water landing, only a small capsule survived the long and costly mission.

In all, including test flights, 13 Saturn V rockets were launched.


Big Grins Time; You Want Loud Horsepower, CRANK the volume:


Apollo 11: Launch July 16, 1969 - YouTube

BeamerBob - 26-7-2013 at 10:33 AM

Brings a tear to my eye every time I see a Saturn V launch. I was six when watching that live.

flyjump - 26-7-2013 at 11:21 AM

I wish I would have been alive then to experience all of that.

elfasa - 26-7-2013 at 12:17 PM

Impressive for sure :D
You mentioning horsepower made me wonder... Apparently a Saturn 5 has 38 million horsepower! (I wonder if I actually collect 38 million horses they could get me to the moon... ?? )

You know one of the most recent things I heard of from America ? A TV program about 'Honey Boo Boo'. How times have changed ! (I lost about 11 brain cells just thinking about it).

Tim

Michael Gaylan - 26-7-2013 at 12:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Windy Heap  
Damnnn this used to be a fine USA country with pride, goals, and direction.


Anyone know "WHY" it's not "a country with pride, goals, and direction" any more? lol

BeamerBob - 26-7-2013 at 12:39 PM

Certain factions feel like we should be embarrassed by our success and world dominance. Both should be diminished as much and quickly as possible. I don't agree with that position, but that's my not so humble opinion about why we are where we are right now.

Michael Gaylan - 26-7-2013 at 03:08 PM

This probably opens a door and should be addressed in another thread but in short...

#1 it's not a "country" any more since it entered into commerce by filing it's corporate charter.. ..it is literally a "corporation". Once it entered into commerce, it died and became a dead "person" in law called a corps. It can sue and be sued. (hint) Countries are nations led by kings. Corporations are led by presidents. Early 1900s the union states lost their sovereignty and filed bankruptcy. (see executive order 6073, 6102, 6111 and Executive Order 6260) and the government, by becoming a corporation (for the bankruptcy) lays down its sovereignty and takes on that of a private citizen with the same protections and immunities but insolvent. Neither can it exercise power which is not derived form the corporate charter and THAT is granted by man. Man can not convey a right to another which he himself does not have.

#2 $17T debt isn't something I would want to be proud of. Does the fall not come before the pride? When the people began using debt to function in life, they then gave into letting someone else handle their affairs. They even let the government scribe their own debt notes (FRN). How convenient is that?

#3 "world dominance" is a misnomer at best, since NO MAN entered the world with a label or title greater than the next (naked) there is no dominion one man can have over another man without consent. And since The corporate United States is a government that offers services at the barrel of a gun and insist that their laws apply to YOU and not them simply because they say so. Really?

Reality check.. "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" correct? So why do the people think their government is out of control when the government works for them? Is it not voluntary? Who pays taxes? Is it the people or strangers pay taxes?

"Who ordained the states Man or heaven? (can't say heaven, cause you admit God, can't say Man because man would be admittedly OVER state then ... Hmmm what a pickle

"Does the tail wag the dog? Can the clay say to the potter fashion me this way"?

Does the law not say "he who knows not how to assert his rights has none"? lol

MAXIMS RULE !

I digress

Maybe we should put a dog on the moon now. LOL

erratic winds - 26-7-2013 at 05:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Michael Gaylan  


#1 it's not a "country" any more since it entered into commerce by filing it's corporate charter.. ..it is literally a "corporation". Once it entered into commerce, it died and became a dead "person" in law called a corps.


:( :( :(

If other users need a frame of reference for the sort of psuedolegal woo that was spouted there, here you go.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land


Gaylan-I'm really sorry to hear that you've fallen for any of this. I would pay close attention to this area of that website if you plan on using any Freeman "legal tactics" in your life. Best of luck to you. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_suc...

Michael Gaylan - 26-7-2013 at 05:33 PM

wow I read what I read in the "law" itself, not on some freeman on the land website... Opinions can not superseded the supreme court rulings...

but since there are the main stream doubters all around, and I would quickly become the enemy for telling the truth, I will reframe from making such comments about how stupid and gullible people really are to believe creation can have more authority than the creator...

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

I don't need luck all I have and need is faith.

g-force junkie - 26-7-2013 at 06:38 PM

Windy,
Who can deny what we have accomplished as Americans? It's undeniable and unprecedented.So glad you see that.

pokitetrash - 26-7-2013 at 06:43 PM

You guys are all way to smart for me. You think too much. I just think I like to fly kites... :cool:

Michael Gaylan - 26-7-2013 at 07:28 PM

Pokite,

we just talking rocket science stuff here.. you know.. like sending people to the moon and stuff.. Should be right up your alley . . . aren't you a neuro brain surgeon? rofl

I think I need a bottle in front of me . . .

:P

soliver - 26-7-2013 at 08:35 PM

EDIT: I think I'll retract from the conversation,... There's no benefit to making contribution which may prove divisive... Sorry. Aren't we supposed to be talking about kites?




Oh yeah,... Good read Windy, thanks for sharing.

I think I'll go fly a kite now :)

Kamikuza - 27-7-2013 at 05:43 AM

"We came in peace for all mankind."

A triumph for the species has been turned into " 'murika - #@%$#! yeah!" in the interim, which saddens me. The humility of the 1969 episode IIRC in From the Earth to the Moon is missing in the modern underachievers who are grasping the coat tails of those steely-eyed missile. Don't forget that without von Braun, it'd be a Red moon... and without Bush, we'd be on Mars by now. #@%$#! yeah.

On a lighter note, my personal heros are Buzz Aldrin and Edmund Hillary.
Hillary got to the top of Everest, took a look around then took a leak over the side.
Buzz, in one interview, said that the "There you go!" at 0:25 in the following clip is him having just finished taking a whizz on the moon :D

BeamerBob - 27-7-2013 at 08:23 AM

Putting a man on the moon was very much about the USA flexing it's muscles and asserting dominance over USSR. It was the visible part of "Capitalism is superior to Communism".

Windy Heap - 27-7-2013 at 08:41 AM

Here I was just celebrating an awesome technical and engineering achievement of the Saturn IV, and many of you, like Buzz Aldrin, seem to need to pissss on the moon.

read into it what you want.

I do salute freedom of speech.



"No one can hear you scream in space"

3shot - 27-7-2013 at 10:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pokitetrash  
You guys are all way to smart for me. You think too much. I just think I like to fly kites... :cool:


This ^^^

Where is Sam when we need him? :thumbup:

rtz - 27-7-2013 at 11:05 AM

Here's where it gets good:

indigo_wolf - 27-7-2013 at 12:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
Where is Sam when we need him? :thumbup:


I am purposely trying to refrain from posting to this thread.

It might be a measured/balanced response or to the best of my ability, but it sure as heck wouldn't be pretty.

ATB,
Sam

soliver - 27-7-2013 at 05:02 PM

You're awesome Sam :)

Kamikuza - 27-7-2013 at 10:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Windy Heap  
celebrating an awesome technical and engineering achievement of the Saturn IV

Oh hell yeah! :thumbup: And the big balls of the guys who strapped themselves onto the top of all that fuel. And the nerds with the slide-rules who sent them up and got them back safe...

People are awesome.

Kamikuza - 27-7-2013 at 10:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by indigo_wolf  
Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
Where is Sam when we need him? :thumbup:


I am purposely trying to refrain from posting to this thread.

It might be a measured/balanced response or to the best of my ability, but it sure as heck wouldn't be pretty.

ATB,
Sam

Go for it! :D I need my preconceptions challenged or I'll just forever be a cynical grouch...

nocando - 28-7-2013 at 09:10 PM

From our end the moon landing was far out.

I rememeber taking the day off school to stay and watch on TV

Kamikuza - 28-7-2013 at 09:35 PM

Watched the first shuttle launches on TV, live... the first one was scrubbed IIRC which was tough on a young fella up at some ungodly hour of the morning :)

Michael Gaylan - 29-7-2013 at 04:11 AM

lol.. we're telling our age..

Quite the memories hu? I was just a tike but I remember all the hustle and bustle. I later recall in 72 (I think) watching it at school. I think we were in Quantico, Va. at the time. But that was the last one if I'm not mistaken.

Yea, quite the accomplishments. If the "people" weren't so oppressed grater things could be achieved.

Maybe an oxygen tank and a BIIIG kite I could do it?

lol

3shot - 29-7-2013 at 05:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Michael Gaylan  
Quote: Originally posted by Windy Heap  
Damnnn this used to be a fine USA country with pride, goals, and direction.


Anyone know "WHY" it's not "a country with pride, goals, and direction" any more? lol



I'll take a guess.....

Windy Heap - 30-7-2013 at 07:28 AM

1000 foot Rocket Launch, Hover, Land.


Very cool:

SpaceX new GrassHoppa

June 2013 in Texas.


SpaceX Grasshopper Jumps Over 1000 Feet - Hexacopter Video - YouTube

bison - 30-7-2013 at 08:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Michael Gaylan  


Anyone know "WHY" it's not "a country with pride, goals, and direction" any more? lol



The profit margin is too low...

spikes2020 - 3-8-2013 at 04:12 AM

2015 NASA will launch a rocket that rivals that rocket.... The heavy lifter to get us to mars the moon and what not... =)

Kamikuza - 3-8-2013 at 07:52 AM

Will they be starting up manned missions again?