entry level,no previous exxperience

hi,im looking to buy my first kite (it has to be suitable for control bar!!) harness and landboard.Im a 6,4f 220lbs guy.My budget is around 300 uk pounds considering it would be possible to use this eqippment in future for air lifts not just cruising
also would like to find out if landbording is safer than jumping with power kite on my only feet.
i understand i will need some lessons and will have to be able to control the kite before stepping on a board.

OK! i am getting in touch with red sky hopefully we meet up and learn something out of it
i decided i go for landbording even though it it will cost me more ,
i think ll have more fun out of it and it will be safer too
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flyguy and blade runner i understand this sport gonna cost me more and if im going to like (probbably love it then surely will raise my budget on it if have to) i checked on that tutorial website ,also watching clips on you tube just to get some more info.i have spoken to redsky too.
ps.saving money process already started :D

hi everyone.Recently i had a good couple of hours lesson with Redsky on the sea with a 5m depower kite-he thought me a lotreally good instructor
now im planning on getting my own kite(depower one with control bar) and accesories(second hand) but dont know where to get them from apart from ebay.i am goint to practise with my kite in land where wind blows between 5-14mph.it seems i will feel ok with 9m sqare.could anyone give a little advicqce on where at www. i could get this stuff from(kite landboard control bar and harness)

Yeah, I met up with royal on Sunday. Very nice guy.

The wind wasn't ideal for a complete beginner, gusting to 30mph. :D Hey! come on guys, he was in safe hands. :duh:

He had no previous knowledge or preconceived ideas which made it much easier for me.
He listened very carefully and did everything I asked. I was on him like glue and ready to take control but it wasn't needed. He did brilliantly.

We simply practised the wind window on the beach, going back and forth from one side to the other and resting the wing tip down on the ground and letting go of the bar.

More lessons to follow.

Peter, checkout Kitecrowd as Bladerunner suggests.

Kitecrowd

and..

http://www.kiteboarder.co.uk/

but ask us for advice before you buy. No need to rush. You can use my stuff for as long as you need.

Tom

sounds like a great day..good for you guys no better way to start out

ok guys,im searching now

Quote: Originally posted by royal9559

ps,i found this and its still for sale.. http://forum.kitecrowd.com/sale/peter-lynn-6m-10m-chargers-8...

Hi royal,

Yes I should be ok to fly Sunday next week. I can't forecast the tides more than a week ahead but I imagine it's going to be another late session and later than last time. Possibly 4:30pm before we can get onto the beach. If there is any wind then we could meet at my inland site in south London and spend all afternoon there if you like.

Thanks for the link.

The '10m Charger' is a twinskin kite and not the same type of kite you flew with me on Sunday.
I recommended a 9m LEI but if you want a twinskin kite then I'd go bigger. 10m may be a bit too small as a beginner for use inland.

I really don't know too much about twinskin kites. I owned and flew the 16m venom but I think you should start a new thread here and ask what other people think of the 10m Charger.

I'd probably go for the 12m Vortex based on size alone.

Twinskin kite -
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=28016

guys: it would be really helpful if you could give examples of kites and theyrs sizes from those best (affordable ) brands like peter lynn,ozone or maybe H and others if there is any..it would help me in finding second hand kites on line
REDSKY: sounds good,and if no wind then let it be south london too hope to see u next weekend

Hi royal,

I was going to go into detail about the different types of depower kites open to you and list all the kites suitable but it may have overwhelmed your choice.

It's really hard to recommend a kite to someone who's never flown one. (except our 2 hour session last week)
And no single kite will do everything as Bladerunner ^ says.

As a complete beginner royal, I think you'll be better off with a Twinskin depower kite. You can crash this type of kite into the ground and not damage it too much unlike the pump-up kites I showed you which may explode! :D

If landboarding is your thing then this type of kite seems to be the most popular and it's auto zenith feature may help you in the initial stages of learning. Auto Zenith is where the kite has a natural tendency to float to 12 o'clock (above your head) and can be useful if you keep falling off your board.

Plus you will find that these guys on PowerKiteForum possess a huge wealth of knowledge and experience to help you on your way with twinskin kites.

Here is a Venom II. It's not going to be cheap but it will be a kite that you will want to keep even when you become a Pro rider.

It comes complete with the correct bar and lines in good condition.

>> Peter Lynn Venom II 13m <<

I will link you to other suitable kites as and when they appear.

Quote: Originally posted by royal9559

Redsky:could this be close to the harness i wore last time down the sea? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mystic-Aviator-Kitesurf-Seat-Harne... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mystic-Warrior-2-Kite-Harness-/181...

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately that ebay link is for a waist harness. The harness you used on that Sunday was an >> ION Radar <<

I have found that like most things, the more you pay the better the quality. The Radar is not the cheapest but is very comfortable where it matters!

hi guys!
i decided im going for ion radar since i tried it and it felt good:http://www.powerkiteshop.com/ion_radar_harness.htm
Blade,how will i know if kite is fully airfilled (for the first time)?
Could i get some tips for a start "in land"kiting?i suppose i should start with the lowest wind possible( 5m-7m/h) and with manually decrased power of my kite ,right? im asking just in case if i wont be able to see redsky soon and my kite curiosity will take over)

Hi Peter,

Not much wind about today and some scattered showers. Must meet up soon.

Tom

Excellent choice of harness

Hello Comrades
Blade thanks for exxtra info on "how to' hopefully redsky will be able to see me on sunday so i can use my theory in practise
i do not have a blower(cant afford it at the moment) so those tips will be usefull..
i have noticed there is a slight issue with the zippers(they like to lock themselves,but i hope wd40 or something will help....

I met with royal at the beach today to help him fly his new (old) 13mVenom.

One of the leg straps on his harness had been threaded through a ring on the spreader bar. It clearly didn't look right and looked worse still when he wore it causing him some serious discomfort.

We undid the strap through the ring and it was then working normally. My guess is that it may have been passed through the ring to help minimize its size for mailing purposes. Either that or someone at the factory was new.

royal' first go on the Venom went very well. I think the auto zenith really helped him. He even did a few scuds and a couple of bunny hops.

The wind was a clean and steady 20mph, maybe a touch more at times.
I did all the launching and landings but I must admit I had some trouble. The first attempt to launch was faultless but thereafter the kite would not get off the ground so easily after landing and it would move back across the window in the hot launch position with both wing tips touching until it was directly downwind and frighteningly in the power!

Sometimes it would double over and bow-tie too.

Was I using too much power on the trim and thus back-stalling the kite ?
Back stalling happened a few times only when I was at the controls because I preferred a bit more power.
I suspect the kite doesn't enjoy too much power on the trim?

or maybe I had positioned myself wrong. I understand from YouTube that you need to be at a 45 degree to the kite for launch. It is possible that I was more or less than 45.


I think I have the landing down but just to clarify and assuming you're flying alone, do you get the kite down close to the ground at the edge of the window and then pop the safety, letting it drift along the ground until it's flagged out?

I exclusively ride with LEI's and I'm unfamiliar with these kites. I need to get this perfected so I can practice with royal before I feel comfortable that he can do this alone. We are both in need of enlightenment. I remember having the same issues with my 16m Venom which I briefly owned many years back.

Apart from this one issue the kite flew great and we had a lot of fun with it. I'm just hoping royal doesn't come on here and mention my quick release test that failed and the subsequent chase for the kite and I especially hope he bites his tongue regarding my loop of death or more accurately my loop of shame. That would be an embarrassing admission to make here. :D

Thanks!
Always learning...

Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner

Sorry , I thought that method up through the spreader was odd but found a picture of it that way? Quote: Originally posted by RedSky   No problem, you're just trying to help which is much appreciated and besides I didn't see your post until after the session, so our mistake. Thanks for the tips. Tugging those front lines from the trim strap makes sense. I do that with my LEI's but why I didn't think to do that at the time I don't know. Yes, I launch with my trim about 80% in. Arc thrive on moving on the front lines but watch out for overfly when static. If the kite is clammed and downwind I walk the edge of the window and the tug front lines to point the nose into the wind. On launch I just may go a bit more that 45' upwind and pull the front lines gently at the trim strap. It depends on the wind. Less than 45' if the wind is strong and I really want it to stick to the edge. It is so good you 2 can work this out together. I can't tell you the fun I had alone with an Farc as my 1st arc.

Quote: Originally posted by royal9559

completely dont know what u guys talking about down here.way too difficult slang for me.would need to see it live... hope to see you Redsky after easter,what would you say about wendsday?

Sorry bro, can't do Wednesday. I can only get out weekends. Let me know when.

Did you like my inverted one eighty downloop power-scud with tuck & roll to swollen knee finish?

Next time we get us some serious airtime. I'll adjust the power strap internals for improved bar pressure, AoA and float.

Make sure the chicken is hooked up and the donkey tooled in, then we can safely activate the QR2 on the 'oh-$h*t' flagout otherwise the parapacking FB boys downwind won't know what hit 'em.

Word up.

hahaha,im telling all my mates about a legacy man who made 180 downloop and still got out away with alive
what would you say about sunday (week after easter?)i should be able to come but will confirm earlier

Sounds good. I will know if I can meet up nearer the time. Have a good trip back to Poland.

Hi royal, here is the Camber forecast you asked for. Not much wind about but hopefully better next time.

http://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/camber

hi Gusy,im back here to grab so tips and hints
basically ive been using my venom in land for a couple of times.wind was steady 10-15pmh.i often was loosing kites power at zenith which was resulting in my arc falling folded down towards strongest power zone ..Evry time i tried to recover it before it hitting the ground and succesfully it was happening but kite was picking power very qquickly which was obvious and was about to dengerously pull me and probbably going to hurt... so the qqqquestion is HOW CAN I AVOID THIS? i dont want to relunch kite every time it (suddenly) falls of the sky but then dont want to hurt myself once kite gets into strong power zone right beanth zenith..

Quote: Originally posted by royal9559

hi Gusy,im back here to grab so tips and hints basically ive been using my venom in land for a couple of times.wind was steady 10-15pmh.i often was loosing kites power at zenith which was resulting in my arc falling folded down towards strongest power zone ..Evry time i tried to recover it before it hitting the ground and succesfully it was happening but kite was picking power very qquickly which was obvious and was about to dengerously pull me and probbably going to hurt... so the qqqquestion is HOW CAN I AVOID THIS? i dont want to relunch kite every time it (suddenly) falls of the sky but then dont want to hurt myself once kite gets into strong power zone right beanth zenith..

Hey Peter, long time no see.
There's been very little wind about recently. I suspect that even in a steady 10-15mph it might not be enough to keep you 13m Venom kite from stalling.
You need more wind.

James and I might be out this weekend depending in the wind. You're welcome to join us.

ok ill watch weather for a weekend...
yet Redsky you would be surprise how big air lifts i had recenetly)

Royal how are getting on with your Venom? I have a Venom I 13m and a 15m Synergy. I have been spanked badly by the Synergy. I had it out in variable winds (I am inland - Hertfordshire) probably around 8mph gusting to15mph.

It kept dropping into the power from the zenith and then powering up. Sounds like you experienced the same thing? I ended up with a broken thumb

I think I know the answer... need more wind.

But, the sheer size of the 15m Synergy, I really don't want to even get it out of the bag in anything over 10mph. It scares the crp out of me.

For now I'm sticking with my new Flysurfer Peak 6m to get me started on my landboard.

I'd be interested to hear how you are getting on!

Paul