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Washington State beaches for buggying?

garbagecasey - 24-9-2014 at 08:44 PM

I know this is probably an old dredged up topic, but are there any locations on any Washington beaches to buggy legally? I've seen some maps that seem to state that there are a few areas on our coastal beaches to buggy, one of them being Pacific Beach. I understand the importance of organized associations like (NAPKA) to gain traction on allowing this awesome sport to be associated with our state but I just want to buggy the one or two times a year I'm able to make it over to the coast without having to pay fees to join a club. If a person just went out and did it anyways, (being respectful of others of course) would you actually get a ticket? Is this something local authorities would consume their time with? Anyhow, any insight would be appreciated. Sorry for the rant and if anyone was offended.

bigkid - 24-9-2014 at 09:15 PM

I haven't spoke out of my a$$ in a while and I will try not to at this post.
if you search out NAPKA here on PKF and do a bit of research instead of asking questions you wouldn't be asking the questions that have been the source of many years of personal time, energy, long debates amongst intelligent and naive people. Not to mention the blood sweat and broken bones.
You can do anything you want. I woulnt want you to spend one penny to show any support for those wwho have GIVEN FREE TIME so you could do as you want. To bad we live in a gimmy gimmy world that was built on the back of passionate, hard workers who have a desire to make things better for all involved.

If you want to buggy for free anytime you visit the beach, go to Oregon.

PistolPete - 24-9-2014 at 09:38 PM

We don't like this but it goes something like:

WA State Beaches=Roads
Roads=Vehicle License Required
Buggy/Boards=Not Licensable

WA State Parks=WA State Government Land Use Rules
WA State Land Users=Liability
Signed Waiver=Liability Minimizer
Insurance Policy=Available Remedy

NAPKRA Members=Pay Fee
NAPKRA.org=Insurance Policy Holder
NAPKRA Member=Waiver Signee

NAPKRA Member=WA State Park Special Activity Permit
NAPKRA Member=Pay Permit Fee ($50 starting 2014)
NAPKRA Member=Wait For Permit Processing
WA State Parks=Grant/Deny Permit

You buggy legally for your permitted time in your permitted location if there is wind while the tide cooperates.

Quote: Originally posted by bigkid  
I haven't spoke out of my a$$ in a while and I will try not to at this post.
if you search out NAPKA here on PKF and do a bit of research instead of asking questions you wouldn't be asking the questions that have been the source of many years of personal time, energy, long debates amongst intelligent and naive people. Not to mention the blood sweat and broken bones.
You can do anything you want. I woulnt want you to spend one penny to show any support for those wwho have GIVEN FREE TIME so you could do as you want. To bad we live in a gimmy gimmy world that was built on the back of passionate, hard workers who have a desire to make things better for all involved.

If you want to buggy for free anytime you visit the beach, go to Oregon.


I'm with you Jeff, let's road-trip it to Oregon sometime!


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WAC 352-37-190
Washington State Register filings since 2003
Excluded/limited recreation activities.

The following forms of public outdoor recreation activities or devices are prohibited on the ocean beaches unless specifically designated therefore or authorized by the director or designee as a special recreation event.

(1) Vehicles not licensed and certificated pursuant to chapters 46.12 and 46.16 RCW.

(2) Wind/sand sailers.

(3) Parasails.

(4) Hovercraft.

(5) Powered parasail.

(6) Ultra-light aircraft.

(7) Powered hang gliders.

Any violation of this section is an infraction under chapter 7.84 RCW.

PistolPete - 24-9-2014 at 09:49 PM

Oh yea...and a kiteboard is a vessel if you ever wondered :rolleyes:

http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/1/workflow_staging/Publications/479.PDF

garbagecasey - 25-9-2014 at 01:01 AM

Whooooaaa, someone's got their pissy pants on, we'll I'm definitely interested and motivated to get involved in the organization now. But only if it's members are bitter
and upset when someone fairly new to the sport and forum asks a question that's not too far fetched. I understand about being passionate about something that serves a good cause, but I also believe in spreading word of it in a positive way VS being derogative about it. Thanks to the others who answered the question without talking out their ass.

bigkid - 25-9-2014 at 01:40 AM

Anytime you get to one of the beaches here in Washington, garbage, let me know and I will be glad to show you around. I could also introduce you to the ones who are working on getting the beaches open, which has been going on for over 20 years. Be sure to bring some toilet paper if you think I'm talking out of my a..

Thanks pete, can you make it to Alvord on the 10th of Oct?
garbage, your welcome to come also, I promise to be nice to you.

garbagecasey - 25-9-2014 at 04:05 AM

Thanks again. Have a fun time in October

Morrie Williams - 25-9-2014 at 08:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by garbagecasey  
I know this is probably an old dredged up topic, but are there any locations on any Washington beaches to buggy legally?


U2U Sent!

jellis - 25-9-2014 at 10:06 AM

Casey it is sad that folks that live in Washington state, like myself, can not use the beaches freely to do a enviromentally safe non polluting sport. I myself retired and had saved up to buy a beach house only to find my dream house in Oregon where I now pay taxes, support the local economy and use wind powered vehicles on the beaches.

fletcht - 25-9-2014 at 10:56 AM

Ok, I'll chime in here, was hopping to stay out of this.
Currently the WAC displayed above is being rewritten. The exact wording yet I do not know. I am in constant ( every couple of weeks or so) contact with Parks to see how they are coming along. I have also sent them my proposal. This being a government agency, they do not work on the timeline that I do. I have learned much patience in the last 4 or 5 years. Some say way to much. Once things get rewritten, it then has to go through the whole public comment stage and it is open up to public and other agency's for their input. I have been told we should have anew law by next spring. (?) I believe that in the last few years while NAPKA was doing public permitted demonstrations of the sport we displayed a thoughtful, law abiding mentality to those that were watching. We currently are not doing special permits with parks because of issues within their own be bureaucracy. Essentially they wanted to allow us but they didn't have a way to do it legally with out charging.
So, all of this being said, if you wish to buggy on the beaches of Washington contact the local Park Ranger, talk to him/her. If they say no, don't. If they say you have to have a special permit and it it will cost you 50 bucks that is your choice. Maybe you can get others to help share the cost. We have come to far to have things screwed up now.

Thanks
Evans

jellis - 25-9-2014 at 03:33 PM

Casey it is sad that folks that live in Washington state, like myself, can not use the beaches freely to do a enviromentally safe non polluting sport. I myself retired and had saved up to buy a beach house only to find my dream house in Oregon where I now pay taxes, support the local economy and use wind powered vehicles on the beaches.

bigkid - 25-9-2014 at 07:44 PM

So garbage, are you still going to buggy in Washington or going to join us in Oregon?

Bladerunner - 26-9-2014 at 04:08 PM

Even when you can ride beaches in Washington with a permit I believe you are held to the speed limit.

It's not like that is a big deal but it is something to be aware of. In Oregon you can go as fast ( or slow ) as you like. Sharing a beach with fellow kiters is well worth the drive. The Oregon crew are pretty darn good pilots and extremely nice folks. Riding with them will push up your game.

fletcht - 26-9-2014 at 09:31 PM

Blade, yes, you are correct. However there are laws also in Oregon. They might be more forgiving, but they also leave a lot open for interpretation. Note 3a and b below.

It is not about, for me anyway, whose beach is better. It is a matter of principal. They should be open. If it requires a couple of items to adhere to for that to happen, speed and avoiding clam digging weekends then so be it. It still opens more playground.

Evans



I Non-Motorized Vehicles, Cycles, Unpowered Aircraft, Sails and Other Similar Devices

(1) A person may operate a bicycle, skateboard, scooter, rollerblades or inline skate, or other wheeled, operator-propelled equipment that transports the operator on land, as provided in section (3).

(2) A person may operate a wind-powered aircraft or vehicle, such as a land sail, kite-buggy or other similar items on the ocean shore state recreation area as provided in section (3).

(3) A person operating any vehicle described in sections (1) or (2) on the ocean shores state recreation area must:

(a) Observe all posted signs, including the signs that restrict the operation of such vehicles, aircrafts and devices, and

(b) Restrict speed and manner of operation to reasonable and prudent practice considering the terrain, prevailing conditions, equipment, personal capabilities, personal safety and the safety of all other ocean shore state recreation area users, natural resources, and wildlife.

garbagecasey - 26-9-2014 at 10:01 PM

Thanks to everyone for the information. I had done some homework on NAPKA, but not nearly enough to form an opinion. I would like extend a extra "thank you" to Morrie and Rich for some extra info. Jeff I understand and appreciate your passion for your craft. I'm definitely intrigued in learning more about the organization and future involvement.
I have a trip planned to Oregon (Fort Stevens) with my family next year and who knows maybe here in washington sooner. It would be good to keep revenue in my own state if possible (no offense Oregonians). Maybe, I'll catch up with some of you during an event to pick all your experienced brains. Thanks again. happy buggying

bigkid - 27-9-2014 at 06:46 AM

:-)

BeamerBob - 27-9-2014 at 07:31 AM

The odd thing about Oregon is that they don't have a sales tax and don't benefit from you visiting there, other than when employees that provide services you pay for paying income tax.

Bladerunner - 27-9-2014 at 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by fletcht  

It is not about, for me anyway, whose beach is better. It is a matter of principal. They should be open.
Evans




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I agree totally. It really is a matter of principal.
Whenever I tell people that we go to Oregon because we can't ride on Washington beaches they think that is crazy.

While I agree it isn't about whose beach is better I am happy to drive the extra time to share the beach and be skooled by the Oregon crew. :cool: