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ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 06:29 AM

Anyone using them with kites? I'm still tempted to pick one up. Decent used ones are always readily available and very cheap even in my area. I use my mountain board on paved areas and I think it would be nice to be strapless and be able to skate back if caught downwind. I thought of this yesterday as I was walking back with my kite and mountainboard. :rolleyes:

Demoknight - 13-3-2015 at 07:30 AM

Phreerider had his longboard at JIBE last year. I have seen some youtube videos of people riding longboards with ozone kites on bars with great success on tarmac.

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 07:34 AM

Yeah, I prefer buggy, but riding on pavement is my last resort this time of year until the fields dry out. My gravel parking lot spots are even too soft to buggy in. Gravel parking lot is quickly moving up to one of my favorite spots. I like the idea of being able to skate to and from where the most ideal spots are within a given park.

3shot - 13-3-2015 at 07:48 AM

Hmm... I need to move to Indy so I can kite more...

Randy - 13-3-2015 at 08:17 AM

I've seen video's of guys using roller blades and longboards. Don't see why it wouldn't work. I've used a longboard and mountainboard with my windsurf sails - on smooth pavement longboards take less wind to get going and are faster.

The rest of my family lives in Indy - I'm always jealous when I go there and see all the potential spots for kiting.

sadsack - 13-3-2015 at 08:33 AM

I did alot of landboarding last summer with a 2.5M2 nasa wing and this board and skates.



my board.jpg - 98kB multi terrain skates.jpg - 8kB


I did both off the road and payment.
renny:lol:

PHREERIDER - 13-3-2015 at 08:35 AM

yes , definitely don't need much kite , with short lines you can get away at bunch spots for sure, i like sector 9 with big soft wheels

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 08:36 AM

"I've seen video's of guys using roller blades and longboards. Don't see why it wouldn't work."

I know it works, I've seen some awesome videos of people doing stuff with them that I will never be able to do. Just some cruising is all I'm planning on. Randy, if your ever up this way, let me know and we'll fly some kites if time and weather cooperate.

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 11:33 AM

" with short lines you can get away at bunch spots for sure, i like sector 9 with big soft wheels

Thanks for the board advice phree, I usually use 5 meter lines, but the trails I was trying to ride yesterday had obstacles so I tried no lines. Much, much more difficult with my inconsistent wind. I was flying off the bar which normally works well on 5m and 20m line but I'm thinking handles (without z bridle) might help with the backwards stall on no lines for my wind. Not sure, but I'll certainly test it out.

soliver - 13-3-2015 at 11:44 AM

I've been thinking about this too, esp now that I'm actually going to have some NASAs... we'll see what wifey lets me get away with :D

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 12:47 PM

Bang! I'm out skate retirement after 28 years. $30 sector nine sidewinder II with gull wing trucks. My only concern is it seems short. I measured it and it's only 36" ?? I need someone to grade my purchase.



longboard1.jpg - 43kBgullwing.jpg - 55kB

sadsack - 13-3-2015 at 02:22 PM

I have not used this one yet, just made it a while back, but one like it I used for very short lines NASA parawing. The line is just the line that you see and the bridle of the kite.

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/files.php?pid=285268&aid=8...

B-Roc - 13-3-2015 at 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
. $30 sector nine sidewinder II with gull wing trucks. My only concern is it seems short. I measured it and it's only 36" ?? I need someone to grade my purchase.



I ride a Landyachts Tomahawk 40" and Drop Carve 36". Both of those are symmetrical, double kick decks and the T has medium concave with a slight drop to create a nice pocket on both ends.

You would have been better served with a symmetrical deck with drops so you can lock your feet in like you would on an ATB.
though your board is directional, you can still ride it left to right and right to left (like an ATB) but its more designed to carve over to toe side and back. If your foot skills are good you can shuvit back to the proper orientation.


The gullwings are a potential problem. Though they turn nicely, they require 4 bushings so if you want to change them up that's added expense or you can take the arm apart and mount them as a traditional truck.

Not sure what the wheels are on that but you'd be well served with something in the 70mm 76-81a range. Go harder if you want to slide or are heavy. I ride 80-82a on the street (but I slide and don't use the boards with my kite).


For $30 its not a bad purchase but its not an ideal one either.

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 04:32 PM

Thanks b-roc. I'm only 5' 9" so I'm not far off height wise. Are you saying you can take out the middle part that makes it a double bushing if mounted normally? Is gullwing still the same company I remember as a kid or are they gullwing by namesake only?

I took it for a spin around the block (no kite) and I was surprised how comfortable I felt cruising around. Also, it has kryptonics route 70 urethane wheels. I don't know what that means, but that's what it has

B-Roc - 13-3-2015 at 04:38 PM

Yes, take both kingpins out, toss that section and remount the hanger in normal fashion but don't do it yet. Those trucks have a fun, surfy feel and carve well with the right bushings. If you like the feel don't do anything to them. It is the same company you remember as a kid but I think its gone through some changes. IIRC Neil Carver (I love his CX trucks) created the original Gullwing. I could be wrong about that but I know he had something to do with Gullwing back in the day. I don't believe he is associated with them anymore but they are still making trucks so its the same by name but not the same company it was. But I'm no historian and I suppose what I just wrote could be said of any company that's more than 20 years old.

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 04:42 PM

If memory serves me correct, wasn't gullwing the first to introduce a light weight aluminum truck? Remeber the neon colored aluminum ones that you could grind out almost completely. ahh, memory lane. There was another major manufacturer of trucks that I liked but can't remember the name.

Randy - 13-3-2015 at 04:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
"I've seen video's of guys using roller blades and longboards. Don't see why it wouldn't work."

I know it works, I've seen some awesome videos of people doing stuff with them that I will never be able to do. Just some cruising is all I'm planning on. Randy, if your ever up this way, let me know and we'll fly some kites if time and weather cooperate.


That would be cool. I make it up to Indy 2-4 times a year (Holidays, 500, some time birthdays, etc). I'll send you a U2U next time I'm coming to see if something might work out.

B-Roc - 13-3-2015 at 04:45 PM

Paris or Independent is probably what you are thinking of. Indy being the most popular truck (I think). Unless you like grinding (and I don't - mostly because I can't) once you try Carver CXs there is no going back. They turn every street into a wave and a bowl or pool into a dream. They don't ride switch or fakie well but they are my favorite by far. Not good for longboards but on a 32-33" pool board with a 16-18" wheelbase...:D:cool:

I'm thinking of getting some Bennetts to set up a surfy tech sliding board this summer.

ssayre - 13-3-2015 at 04:49 PM

That's it! Independent was my trucks of choice back in the day. Thanks for reminding me.

At least I have an inexpensive starting point. If I get into it, I will make upgrades to the trucks, wheels, or board. We actually have a decent longboard shop in town.

Randy, I'm in greenwood on the south side so it's on the way to or from indy if your driving.

3shot - 13-3-2015 at 05:11 PM

Oh the memories of Powell Peralta's Bones Brigade. Man I wish I still had those decks from 25 years ago....

B-Roc - 13-3-2015 at 05:24 PM

This guy has some talent for grinding






but here are the Carvers in action










PHREERIDER - 13-3-2015 at 05:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Bang! I'm out skate retirement after 28 years. $30 sector nine sidewinder II with gull wing trucks. My only concern is it seems short. I measured it and it's only 36" ?? I need someone to grade my purchase.



you'r set man, just add breeze, good one there. as long as its not brittle... i had butter balls but too hard slippery cool but big soft smooth ride was more important

B-Roc - 13-3-2015 at 06:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
, it has kryptonics route 70 urethane wheels. I don't know what that means, but that's what it has


That would mean they are 70mm wheels (perfect) and from what I can gather they are likely 78a (also perfect). Your bearings may need some lubing but that's easy enough.

Enjoy (and pad up).


Bladerunner - 14-3-2015 at 11:06 AM

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/files.php?pid=287630&aid=9...

I have a set of these Scorpion skates ( from picture above ) that I only used once. If anybody wants them, make a reasonable offer.

I found them a bit clumsy and they didn't run on our semi-packed beaches.

sadsack - 14-3-2015 at 02:14 PM

Give me a price on them, if I have the money I will buy them.:puzzled:

Yes they can at first be a pain to use. But like everything it get better with time. Like a good wine.

ssayre - 14-3-2015 at 05:52 PM

Wow, I tried it today and I think it's way, way better than using my landboard on asphalt. Here's another one of my 1 minute wonders. :)
Here is a link. I was far from the camera so it's better in youtube
Also, I recorded in hd and I always have to change the setting when I watch in youtube. Not sure why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1YVWi9Lp3E




3shot - 14-3-2015 at 06:13 PM

Hell yeah bro!!! Looking good!

PHREERIDER - 14-3-2015 at 06:46 PM

nice one man! love it!

sadsack - 14-3-2015 at 08:07 PM

life is good, some time.

B-Roc - 14-3-2015 at 08:17 PM

Way to go. Maybe I'll cut up some short lines and do the same on my boards. Looked fun. What were the winds and kite size?

soliver - 14-3-2015 at 08:18 PM

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

ssayre - 14-3-2015 at 08:34 PM

Thanks guys. It was great, I really like it.

B-roc, I was using the 7 meter. The winds were all over the place, especially down low with the short lines. Winds were forecast at 12 but there were lulls of almost nothing and gusts of 14 I would guess. There were times I was getting overpowered and was about to go down a size but it would settle down and I'd be fine. Usually the nasa is rock steady but with the turbulent wind it looked like a jellyfish flopping around. I think fixed bridle kites would be awesome as well if they would fly well and 10 meter lines (I was using 5 meter but probably could have used 10). I haven't tried it yet but I would also like to try this with the peak on 10 meter lines. I have a feeling it would work really well.

ssayre - 14-3-2015 at 08:44 PM

By the way, for those of you that make videos, I posted this to vimeo as well, but it wouldn't allow it to be played at all due to copyright. So far it's unrestricted on yt. I guess their rolls have reversed somewhat.

Randy - 15-3-2015 at 04:41 PM

Way to go Sean! Looked great.

ssayre - 19-3-2015 at 02:47 PM

Update on longboard progress. Today I had my second longboard session and I'll have to say longboard on a parking lot is the best thing I've ever done with a kite to date. I had good wind using the 4 meter nasa star on 5 meter lines. I got to a point where I felt completely comfortable going frontside to toeside and carving in between. Weaving around light poles and signs was great. It was 2 hours of endless fluid motion. With very little resistance there just isn't much to stop you with just a breeze. The sidewinder trucks on the longboard allowed me to turn sharply when needed. This is something that was missing when I used my mountain board on pavement. I could use the ENTIRE parking lot. No trouble at all cruising upwind. Downwind actually takes more practice. I share lines between my kites which means I disconnect them every time. The cool thing is you can let the kite drift into the bottom of a light pole base and it tacos so there's no need for stakes or weights and I could disconnect the lines without even bending over. I could have stayed out there all day if I didn't have to work. I'm definitely hooked. :thumbup: I will say that getting used to turns with short lines takes practice. I had already mastered that on the buggy but it's something that you have to put the time in, but once you do longbaord can't be beat for inland cruising.

Next thing to work on is slides I guess. :puzzled:

PHREERIDER - 19-3-2015 at 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
It was 2 hours of endless fluid motion.

Next thing to work on is slides I guess. :puzzled:



deepening your addiction ....i bet your thinking about , if not doing it , RIGHT NOW!

that kinda phlow ....you just can't say no , man thats what its about, cool stuff.


PHREERIDER - 19-3-2015 at 04:01 PM

butter balls if you wanna slide , but big grippy soft wheels are my favorite , i always go back to them

ssayre - 19-3-2015 at 04:06 PM

Thanks phree it's pretty awesome. I was edging pretty hard and knew I was close to sliding then I'd ease off to prevent wipeout. I was planning on doing a non kite run to test when the wheels I have will break grip so I can anticipate.

3shot - 19-3-2015 at 04:12 PM

Sounds like you found your sweet spot! :cool: :thumbup:

B-Roc - 19-3-2015 at 04:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre
Next thing to work on is slides I guess. :puzzled:[/rquote  


81a Flashbacks are my go to slide wheel. Lots of fun but not too sure how it would work out with a kite. You don't want to flat spot them or high side the board.

3shot - 19-3-2015 at 05:03 PM

We've got to get you a GoPro Sean!!

ssayre - 19-3-2015 at 05:52 PM

I've got an ion air pro but it's only 720p. I'll get some different angles next time and now that I know what I'm doing it should be a lot better. I didn't have the camera with me today unfortunately. I didn't know it was going to be a good one.

B-roc would the harder wheels get tripped up easier on debris (tiny rocks)? The 78a seem to be performing really well for normal cruising and edging. It will be fun to experiment with.

B-Roc - 19-3-2015 at 06:57 PM

I doubt the wheels will rip up but you will feel the road more. 81a is not that hard. I ride 98a in the park and those don't chip when I ride them on the street and many use 101a as tech slide wheels.

The parking lot that I want to fly kites at is more rough than the hills I ride my longboard at but its a fun place to skate. I feel it more when I ride there but the wheels don't seem to notice the difference. If the 78s are working I'd stick with them. I don't think I'd go more than 82a as you don't want the wheels to get too icey when you are powered. An 86a wheel might be fun if it allowed you to stand up 180 fast and get it back under control without being pulled off backside.

You really have me thinking about what I want to do. My son's ATB has post bindings. I wish MBS still sold them as I think they'd be great to drill into a longboard and then you could make some killer turns and slides with more confidence as it would ride like a traditional ATB.


PHREERIDER - 20-3-2015 at 06:38 AM

now we're getting somewhere.

ssayre, to slide ---> medium controlled speed , stroke for power , bend knees /hips sit and push out hard and try to brake/stop, then right back on top.

head back , wear gloves ! if the wheels are too grippy, pour some water on the pavement and make a pass thru puddle and will give better slippage after a pass thru. just enough to wet wheel surface.

hill billy pants might come in handy as well


B-Roc - 20-3-2015 at 08:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PHREERIDER  
! if the wheels are too grippy, pour some water on the pavement and make a pass thru puddle and will give better slippage after a pass thru.



Its amazing how much difference a little water makes. I went out last fall after a passing shower to ride a damp but puddle free road. Slides were way more icey and fast. Speed checks turned in to 180s. It was fun but sketch as it was harder to get a feel for when the wheels would lock back up.

Ditto on the slide gloves. They are absolutely necessary.

PS, riding in the rain will trash the bearings fast so while a little water is OK, wet bearings are toast if not cleaned post ride.

soliver - 20-3-2015 at 08:25 AM

good work Sean... Look forward to more Vids

ssayre - 20-3-2015 at 08:27 AM

Good stuff. My board is a permenant fixture in the truck now. Will be working on slides when I get a chance.

soliver - 20-3-2015 at 08:32 AM

OOPSY... I posted on the wrong thread

soliver - 20-3-2015 at 11:20 AM

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soliver - 20-3-2015 at 11:30 AM

So I took my kids to the roller skating rink for the first time this last weekend and reminded myself of how much time I spent on In line skates through High school and some of college... so now the wheels are turning and I'm considering craigslist for a used pair of skates... hmmmmmmmmm

Demoknight - 20-3-2015 at 12:03 PM

I would love a pair of doom wheels in some nice tall boots. I haven't had much luck finding the metal to make the frames though. I want to take the 8" wheels off my MBS ATB to use for the wheels. I have been skating almost as long as flying kites, and I am a decent skater if I do say so myself. If I had a large enough parking lot I could easily do some nice kite skating.

ssayre - 20-3-2015 at 12:08 PM

Spencer, that would probably work well. It takes a couple sessions to get short line sorted but it's great when you do.

"You really have me thinking about what I want to do. My son's ATB has post bindings. I wish MBS still sold them as I think they'd be great to drill into a longboard and then you could make some killer turns and slides with more confidence as it would ride like a traditional ATB."

You might like bindings but I really like the freedom of strapless compared to my landboard. It's nice being able to push off when starting to get the initial momentum going and it's nice to be able to hop on and off with ease if the wind is sketchy.

Bladerunner - 20-3-2015 at 01:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sadsack  
Give me a price on them, if I have the money I will buy them.:puzzled:

Yes they can at first be a pain to use. But like everything it get better with time. Like a good wine.


U2U sent.

Yes, I could see how they would work but I find rollerblades give a more similar experience to kite skiing and I like that.

soliver - 21-3-2015 at 07:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight  
I would love a pair of doom wheels in some nice tall boots. I haven't had much luck finding the metal to make the frames though.


Errol, I always use Metal Supermarket for anything I might need stock for http://metalsupermarkets.com/store-finder/ ... It looks like there are 4 locations in the Chicago area.

The great thing about Metal Supermarket is they will cut any stock to any length you need, and they'll punch, drill or bend to your specifications too, so you just tell them what you need and they'll deliver.... might be a good option since I remember you said all your fabrication tools are still in GA.

PHREERIDER - 21-3-2015 at 05:34 PM

speedymetals.com is good source , Wisconsin . i think.

Demoknight - 22-3-2015 at 10:06 AM

Nice Spence, I will look into that!