I have recentley been learning how to fly a flexifoil kite and stumbled on your site.
Considering that I have been rollerblading for many years and have been into the extreme air time side of things jumping stairs, ramps etc. I am
itching to combine the two. I am interested in really progressing to ultimately getting airtime not unlike the awesome pics of the guys in your kite
sking gallery section.
I was wondering if it is possible to get this sort of hang time/air on doomwheels?
I have yet to find any pics of anyone doing this sort of thing on doomwheels, even after an extensive search on the net. Would this be due to the
fact that the skates are quite heavy and more designed for speed? As I am guessing it would not be easy to control doomwheels on landing aerial
maneuvers?
With wanting to ultimatly achieve air and big jumps (rather than speed) would you have any suggestions on what materials I should use before
constructing my own doomwheels such as:
* Smaller and lighter wheels, say around 8"
* Use of hi grade alloy rails for less weight (even though I know you advise steel for strength)
Also considering most of my kitesurfing will be on the beach would wider tyres work better for those conditions, like those used on mountain boards?
Any suggestions are welcome Bladerunner - 19-1-2007 at 09:47 AM
Two things I can see that are different are: You can not get the edge planted as well on wheels for pop. The folks getting the extra high floaty
jumps on snow are taking advantage of rising air coming up the hill + the hill dropping below.
I'm only starting to jump with wheels so this info is more and idea than fact !
I recommend getting Coyote Rollerblades on Ebay. They go for around $100 us. usually. Saves a TON of agro' + gives you a great start, you could mod.
them easy if you wanted a "doom " stance. So far stock Coyotes are doing fine for me !damienvdv - 20-1-2007 at 12:19 AM
Yeah coyote's do seem pretty good. More maneuverable much better for grabbing an edge just not sure how great they would be on sand. If it was
compacted hard sand near waters edge I guess.
Bee good to try and make some modified lighter mor maneuvaerable doomwheels kind of like I said in my previous posts seeing I have a spare pair of
roces rollerblades.
Has anyone used smaller wheels on their doomwheels like around 8"? How they go?
Also has anyone use a "kitewing" with doomwheels? Man those things are awesome.Pablo - 20-1-2007 at 10:25 AM
With enough power I don't see why you couldn't jump with a set of doom wheels, People jump with a 50lb buggy strapped to their backside all the time.
Just need to figure out the wheel combo, big enough to float over the sand, small enough to hold an edge, You may have to try a couple sizes to see
what works for your area. We're having the same problem with ATB's on our beaches, the sand flats are suprisingly soft, even a buggy with Barrows on
it can dig in. We've got a couple ATB's equipped with wider turf wheels for a mower, but I don't know how wide flat slicks would work on skates.doomwheels - 21-1-2007 at 08:22 AM
It is possible to plant an edge and to get air with doomwheels style kiteskate. The danger lies in the speed you are going. Kiteskates are able to
powerup conciderably against the pull of the kite and that usually translates to high speed.
I've often done pendulem style lifts at the end of a sailing line using the jump to set me on a new course in the opposite direction, though I have
not tried kitesurfing style jumps mid-course. I think it may be hard to land on such a high platform (6 inches) and with the wheels perfectly inline
with your course. You're not able to slip sideways after landing as you can with a mountianboard. Best chance would be to use a seat harness and keep
all your weight low in your seat while in the air. Keep your knees up until ready to land - this may help set your wheels down in the right direction.
8 inch wheels? Might be good for jumps but bad for speed or rough terrain. The smaller the wheels - the rougher and less stable the ride. Coyotes? Too
stumbly for me. Keep 'em under 15mph and on super smooth surface. Worthless in soft sand.torisspacedog - 7-7-2008 at 11:32 PM
All you gotta do to get airtime on rollerblades is fly a Blade . I'm having more trouble working on staying on the ground.PHREERIDER - 8-7-2008 at 06:15 AM
ULTRA SMOOTH FLAWLESS FLOATY JUMPS. THAT WILL GET YOU THERE. COYOTES FOR BACKWARDS/FRONT TO BACK HOPS, EASIER TRANSITIONS.
12" AND 8" GOT THEM BOTH. 8 IS A LITTLE MORE FRIENDLY TO USE. CRUISING A LINE IS NICE, THE SPEED INSANE. JUMPING HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN A
CONSIDERATION YET. THEY CAN be NASTY & SQUIRRELY OVER THE OUTSIDE EDGE.
GOT PICS OF BOTH SOMEWHERE ON HERE
IN KITESKATING THREAD "Now I gotta make some"
PHREERIDER - 8-7-2008 at 06:49 AM
doomwheels - 2-10-2008 at 12:21 AM
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THEY CAN be NASTY & SQUIRRELY OVER THE OUTSIDE EDGE.
Might be that your rails are too bendy. The stronger the rails, the more
stable when on the edge. Are you using steel or aluminum?PHREERIDER - 2-10-2008 at 06:35 AM
maybe so, they do flex (more like chatter&shake)i have noticed esp. when i try to load the edge sharply, that's why i really only get cruising
out of them. a lighter person could fair better with the alum. rails. and as i said before..... the speed just seems endless, i have moved on to
coyotes and love the easy comfort with pop to front & back and the float with the PL def promising air . the most challenging part is being well
powered on the skates for a jumping conditions.... 10-12mph is cruising friendly with good control... time will add more speed, comfort and
progression.
the transitions with is coyotes much easier . and i am adding the lift (more like pop/hop change up).
BR the FS i have is just to collapse prone and want even consider it with the skates. the low wind power and speed is there with the atb/FS combo
but the PL is really the flight master go to rig.
an open run with the doomset would be choice, but the freq. of trans. that i encounter the coyotes just seem better for stability and control and
easier recovery. the doomset is hard to go back to AT this POINT , but the fall will give me more time on them.
the mini froward jumps(lifts) are just begging for breeze. i am cautiously adding power.
considering putting the doomwheels on the "pass the doom" since i have coyotes nowdoomwheels - 2-10-2008 at 10:00 AM
True Coyotes are better suited for freestyle skating and jumps. Doomwheels are better for high speed, long runs and big kites. Take your Dooms out to
a dry lake. You'll love 'em!Bladerunner - 2-10-2008 at 10:09 AM
I'm actually getting to pull off the odd jump on the Coyotes. It is best with a huge kite. That makes up for the lack of edge.
Coyotes are built tough so stand up to the landings with no problem. Landings aren't as difficult as I thought but I feel pretty stable generally on
them.PHREERIDER - 2-10-2008 at 10:46 AM
my thoughts exactly on the dry run with the doomset and big kite and jumps with the coyotes.
I am going to try and make a trip out to vegas to get out inthe dry lake scene. i am trying to get a vid of coyotes rides...the world needs more
right guys.PHREERIDER - 6-10-2008 at 05:36 AM
BR, BOB
the COYOTES have just bumped the atb off the "go to" grab list. Jumps are coming, so far small ones but the landings are easy and smooth the turns
on transitions i've smoothed out to like slalom water skiing. the sliding is cool but slipping out is beating up my hips and elbows. i have done
backwards runs but this really isn't "SWITCHED" feels more like riding blind. confused on the terms.
like BR said these things have a lot of potential. totally fits me
the coyotes also makes Launching, recovery, and getting around in general easy.BeamerBob - 6-10-2008 at 06:46 AM
What size boots are on your dooms Chad? I will never find size 13 coyotes and with your hip and elbow comment, I'm not sure I'm enough of a freestyle
mind to be a fit with those anyway. The doomwheels have always had a cruiser look to them and look like I could get along with them in a smooth
breeze. Worst case, I could put my inline skate boots on your frames just to give them a try at the soccer field with some padded shorts and knee and
elbow pads. :bouncing:Bladerunner - 6-10-2008 at 08:39 AM
I'm thrilled to have another Coyote Convert !
If all goes well we may be a gang of 4 at NABX this year :wee:
Maybe we can have a race on the buggy folks circuit ? !
My favorite ride will always be skis but Coyotes are as close as I get most of the year.PHREERIDER - 6-10-2008 at 09:02 AM
size 13 on the doom. you are welcome to them. def good on the cruise. actually on a line easy, BUT they are not skates. even with pro level
inline skills this are a handful. the kite launch and recovery is really cumbersome.
Bbob the turns i 've worked out are alot like water skiing maybe snow as well.macboy - 6-10-2008 at 06:12 PM
Hey BR and MD, are you guys just loading and jumping the Coyotes or are you actually hitting a ramp? I'm not there yet but was catching some
inadvertent air on the lake drifts last winter and am going to be pushing it this winter. I have a small skate ramp kicking around though - might make
for some Coyote fun before the snow flies? Or am I asking for trouble?BeamerBob - 6-10-2008 at 07:11 PM
I've water skied for 32 years, barefoot skied for 26, snow skied for 28 years, and inline skated on flat terrain for 13. I'm not what I'd call pro
level anything, but just a rounded amount of balance driven hobbies most of my life. I guess you start with the dooms perp to the wind and then roll
downwind to start? Sounds easy but I'm sure it is just about impossible the first many times. I'll pay shipping to give them a try. I can't believe
you wear 13's. :bigok:doomwheels - 6-10-2008 at 10:51 PM
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start with the dooms perp to the wind and then roll downwind to start?
Start standing with the skates pointing towards your kite on the ground (parked 45 degree off-wind for best results). You will roll directly toward
the kite when launching and then turn to a cross-wind direction immediately afterward.
jumps are rolling forward, with big kite power and speed ...more like leaning back and hop to air actually all very smooth. kite work about 75%,
position and push 25%. with my v13 every thing is a little faster, the v16 just picks me up at speed when i send it back up for a lift.
BB you will flow into the wheels easy, launch, roll and curve slowly against the kite, rinse and repeatSpartan - 13-11-2008 at 12:06 PM
Hi there fellow kite bladers, I'm new to this site. I'm from the land down under, Australia. Ive been inline bladeing for 5 years, flying kites for 11
years, power kites with buggies for 2 years.
Once I viewed the doom blade videos I was hooked and had to make some my self. Now for me going left and right, back and forward on land, even at
speed was boring. I had to go up and fly with my blades, I knew that if I can go 2 metres up in a buggy I could do the same with blades. Now, to let
you know, its so effortless in blades compared with a buggy, cause you can bend your knees and jump to get extra hight. I'm getting 2-2.5 metres. I
use a Flexifoil Blade IV 6.5, what an awsome kite, with heaps of float. I'll get some pictures or video footage soon.
Regards and fly high, George .Spartan - 1-1-2009 at 04:09 AM
Here's that video I promised. A friends wife filmed me on a great day of kiting, earlier we were racing each other up the beach at 60klm (sorry don't
know in miles). Winds were too light for bigger jumps
go to Google or utube, type in - Torquay Post Christams Bash 2008
regards George
doomwheels - 1-1-2009 at 04:58 AM
Sweet!Bladerunner - 1-1-2009 at 01:12 PM
Nice !
You are getting the jumps down pretty good ! Spartan - 4-1-2009 at 02:28 PM
Well here are some great photos taken by our resident photographer and buggier Nigel, over the week end, with some of the melbourne boys and I (on the
blades) going off. as you can tell Ozone is my Kite of choice.
I had planned on getting that consistant with my air this summer but have fallen short :Ange09:
It's nice to have someone to follow! :bigok:PHREERIDER - 4-1-2009 at 05:01 PM
very nice, love the doom
i am about the same skill level with the coyotes.
the doom set is off the ride list currently but the coyotes are a fun change from the atb and the water
keep the vids flowingSpartan - 5-1-2009 at 12:36 AM
Thank you for your kind comments guys.
Good to hear you're jumping PHREERIDER.
You've got to make the effort to get some jumps in Bladerunner. Not sure if you know how to position your kite in the air. If you need some pointers,
I'd be more than happy to post a step by step process. But If you are jumping try getting your self some shin pads and some pants with hip and bum
padding. Cause when I started jumping over 1.5 to 2m it hurts if you make a mistake.
Regs GeorgePHREERIDER - 5-1-2009 at 07:38 AM
the biggest issue i have ....someone to operate the the freaking camera. my wife and kid are just not into it. i even prep the gear. the few
pictures i have are a result of being out for so long they come to the beach looking for me or a kind stranger of rare occurrence.
any way the tripod thing is coming out again, the few times i tried it the battery dies after about 15min and don't get squat footage
any way super nice on the vid and has encouraged me to keep dragging the coyotes to the beachcarltb - 5-1-2009 at 12:31 PM
i was thinking of making a set of all terain skates. i already have some leapskates but i cant get on with them as i find them too long. i made some
quad alterrain skates but the stance is abit wide, so i was thinking of making some in the style of rollerblades but with mountainboard wheels. they
will only be 2 wheels and only slightly longer then the boots with the wheels mounted below the boot. i doubt i will use them for speed runs as thats
not my thing (i can only blast up the beach so many times until i get bored) any advantages to this idea or disadvantages?
carlPHREERIDER - 5-1-2009 at 12:57 PM
i saw the quad things kinda disco trippy
if you want plain easy fun COYOTES the choice
super easy platform
the doom set with the 8" wheels are a little better and reduce the lenght but they are not skates ....they are more like skis fun but still need to
be hopped for turnsBladerunner - 6-1-2009 at 09:50 AM
From what I have seen on video it looks like the problem with the 4 wheel roller skate style is that is isn't as easy to get in a good position angled
against the kite ?
I think it is being able to lean on that edge created with inline wheels that works best ?
I LOVED roller skating and as was pretty darn good at it at a very young age. ( pre-disco ) I can see them with the skate wing but not with a kite !
Not for me at least !Spartan - 4-2-2009 at 02:34 AM
Just some more footage of me of me my dooms and my Ozone Access
I like how you get around the step turn by doing a jump
Thanks for sharing !Tomasz - 30-4-2009 at 12:23 AM
I started launching myself into the air for the first time this winter. My very first jumps were actually on the custom ice skates I built. Needless
to say, the landings were very unforgiving. No real incidents to speak of, but I did have a good wake up call when I launched myself up about 4-5ft
& came straight down. The impact sent an electric shock all the way from my heels up to my neck. Not that it deterred me though. Once the lake
was covered with snow I started jumping my skis. Got to the point of being able to launch myself up to 20ft & glide out 30-40ft before touching
the ground again. Of course not all of my landings have been graceful, & I did crack a rib once. Caught a gust that sent me 20ft up higher than
I was expecting & landed completely off balance. Slammed my shoulder into the ground when I came down & blew out a rib on the other side...
ooops! I've been wearing mt friends impact vest ever since. Gotta get me one!
Snow season just ended at the beginning of the month, so I've switched to skates & am now applying what I've learned to that. So far I've only
bruised my hip, so I think I'm doin allright.... A few things for anyone that's just getting into jumping with doomwheels: Always keep your skates
in front of you're center of gravity when in the air. I've been able to slide out with my skates in front of me even when I don't land them properly.
I can feel that if my skates were to touch down behind my center of gravity it'd be all to easy to get twisted up & blowing out a knee, hip or
whatever. Tucking in your knees once you lift off is the easiest way to do that. I'm not sure if it's any different with a foil, I'm using LEI kites
with my skates, but for me, the easiest way to launch up is to get some speed going perpendicular to the wind with the kite up at around 2 o'clock. I
then swing my kite up to 11:00, point my skates slightly upwind & pull in on the bar just as the kite crosses 12:00. Once I lift off I turn the
kite back to the direction I was going & point my skates about 45 degrees into the wind for a landing. I've done this quite a few times now in my
last 4 or four session & have flown at least 10ft high & 30 ft out. Loving every second of hand time in the process!
I just uploaded some footage from a light wind day that I added to one of my other posts, there's a few wimpy hops in there, but it was my first time
out with the new skates & they're way, way heavier than the Leapskates I've been running up til now. Here's the link: doomwheels meet monster truckBladerunner - 30-4-2009 at 10:02 AM
Looks like I have my work cut out for me trying to keep up with all you new Bladers.
I couldn't be happier ! I felt guilty having so much fun all to myself ! :bigok:USA_Eli_A - 30-4-2009 at 10:06 AM
Blade Runner, too bad we didn't think to take pics of you hitting the kicker last summer.Bladerunner - 30-4-2009 at 02:20 PM
Chad ( Phreerider ) is the man I have my money on !
He already has MAD SKILLS !!:eekdrull:
I expect Him to take Coyotes and jumping to heights that I can't even imagine ! :cool2:
I won't ever be able to keep up with Him but I'll be sure and tell Folks " I knew Him when..... "
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