Hi all I bought a HQ Beamer 3.6 now I have taken it out for maiden flight today and have noticed that the break lines are very slack on the kite. I
bought the lite second hand. The break line has 5 knots the attach the break line to.
I have tryed swapping lines over but which ever combo I use the break is very slack. Now should there be a diffrence in length with power line and
break line if layed next to each other? One is thicker than the other.
Am I looking at buying new lines or is this correct having slack break lines. Will post pics if needed
Hope you can help cheers Mitch abkayak - 6-4-2015 at 12:18 PM
power lines are thicker...they belong up top if you have it on handles...should be some slack in the brakes (belly) but you should be able to bring
the kite down to the ground if you hit both the brakes...make sure lines havent been stretched..all 4 lines should be same length w/ out them being on
the kite or handles Mitch18 - 6-4-2015 at 12:23 PM
Ok there is a diffrence in line length. And where the break line attachs to the kite it has 5 knots are these settings that previous owner has put on
or is this a standard thing? abkayak - 6-4-2015 at 12:39 PM
compare the lines unattached to kite and handles...pull them taught a few inches is kinda ok and can be made up w/ the knots...yes knots are a
standard thing and are for fine tuningacampbell - 6-4-2015 at 01:03 PM
It usually normal for the brake lines to appear to sag a bit. Often just thier wieght and the aerodynamic drag will apply the right tension for the
kite to be in trim. The five knots on the brake bridles are used to adjust brake tension by moving the attachment point up or down the row of knots(
same for left and right of course).
Generally the higher the wind, the tighter the brake tension. Abkayak is correct in that you should be able to stall the kite and back it down by
pulling both brakes at once with your wrists. If not, then increase tension by moving brake line attachments up the bridle closer to the kite.
If your brake lines are slightly different lengths from your power lines, no big deal. You can trim that out with adjustments on the brake bridles.
What is more important is that each set - power and brake - are the same left and right. If they are a bit different left and right, you can trim that
out by moving the knots on your handle leaders where the lines attach.
Let us know how it goes or ask more questions. You have a great classic kite!pongnut - 6-4-2015 at 01:49 PM
Just curious, are you flying this with a bar or handles?Mitch18 - 6-4-2015 at 02:15 PM
Flying with handles. Had the brake line set in the knot closest to the kite. Now when I got the kite up its spun and crash due to my inexperience Im
guessing but as the kite was sitting on the ground and I had hold of the handles the break line where on the floor untill got to the handles. Going to
check distance with them side buy side but think they might be too long but the sounds and looks of things. Can I be thick here and ask what other
adjustments can be made with the kite? Would anyone recommend new lines? ssayre - 6-4-2015 at 02:40 PM
Yes. Get new lines and post me your old ones. :evil:Mitch18 - 6-4-2015 at 02:45 PM
I think I'll keep them as spares :evil:
Where is best place for lines in the UK??Mitch18 - 6-4-2015 at 02:49 PM
On the 5 knot brake fine tuning.
Best to be closest to the kite or furthest away from kite. Sorry for all the question
Just need advice for a noob. Randy - 6-4-2015 at 03:50 PM
This might help:
volock - 6-4-2015 at 04:10 PM
I usually liked the middle knot on my Beamer in average wind, and lower in low wind, higher if in high wind. My advice would be to try setting it
there, launch as normal and make sure it climbs all the way to the top of the window. Then try to reverse launch (put the kite upside down), see if
you can get it to lift off the ground to turn it over. If it can't reverse launch it needs tighter brakes, if it doesn't go up to the top of the
window, the brakes are too tight.OCFlyer7 - 6-4-2015 at 05:47 PM
ssayre was just joking, you don't need new lines.
If your kite is spinning when you get it up check the front lines first to see if they are equal length. If not try stretching the shorter line to
equal the longer one. lf you can't get them the same length then you can add knots to the top leader lines on the handle. Tie knots on both top leader
lines with the space between the new knots and your original knots equal to the difference in length between your front lines. Tie the longer line to
the new knot and the shorter line to the original knot. Remember that you have to tie knots on both top leader lines. Try that and see if that helps.
Adding to confusion or maybe clarifying..
skimtwashington - 6-4-2015 at 08:49 PM
Quote:
On the 5 knot brake fine tuning
Best to be closest to the kite or furthest away from kite(?)
*All four lines need to be of equal length( within an inch or a bit more perhaps). If not ...you need to 'tune'...
Understand:
FLY LINES-lines that attach to kite on one end and to handles on other end(60 -80 ft generally)
The LEADER line with the knots- is the line that is on the handle-which you tie the flying line to.
Flyline length + leader line length( distance from handle to the knot where you tie fly line onto kite bridal line) = TOTAL LENGTH.
All four TOTAL LENGTH line 'combos' must be equal to fly right. It is the distance from the handle to the end of flyline where you attach it to
kite(bridal).
Often the power lines stretch and become longer than the brake lines. It is rare that just one line becomes longer(or shorter) than the others, but
happens .
Solution:
Say that all 4 fly lines are tied on a knot that is 10 inches from the handle. Now say that the two power fly lines were 5 inches longer
than the brake lines.
You would then want to move the two power line ends INWARD toward handle, to a knot 5 inches from the handle to make up the
inequality of length.
Another way to fix would be to move BRAKES LINES 5 inches OUTWARD(to a knot 15 inches from handle) if It is possible/leader line is that long.
Either way would then make TOTAL LENGTH equal between the four line 'combo's'.
Mitch18 - 7-4-2015 at 01:58 AM
Going to have a messure up this evening after work and see how much diffrence there is. Can you cut and re knot ? Or just knot up the line. And whatd
the knot called that I will be putting in just so I can look it up.
Cheers guys really help fullrobinsonpr - 7-4-2015 at 02:41 AM
Whereabouts in UK are you Mitch? There might be somebody nearby who can help get you up and running. I'm in Herts...skimtwashington - 7-4-2015 at 07:05 AM
Quote:
Can you cut and re knot ? Or just knot up the line. And whatd the knot called that I will be putting in just so I can look it up.
The last thing you ever want to do is cut the fly lines ends....even if lines are longer than the other.
The ends of your fly line should have either a tied or sewn, sleeved LOOP .
The leader line cord(the cord on the handle-top and bottom) is where you have knots, make a knot.... to attach the loop end of the fly line by using a
larks head knot to attach it. The Leader Line of handle is where all tuning for such inequality in length of the fly lines occur.
Some handles may unfortunately not have an appropriately long enough length of leader line on it( for adjusting/tuning...you may need to move line
ten inches + with severe stretching!). If the leader line is too short, it is possible to add another piece onto it by getiing a similar piece of
cordage and tie on..... with knot( s) along it .
A good total length for handle lines are 18-24 inches... but many factory handle's line come just too short for any major- or the most severe-
occurrence of needed tuning unfortunately.
It's nice to have several or more even spaced knots along the handle's leader line. for 'tuning'....but if there are too many knots in a leader line
that is a little short for the distance you need to move fly line, some times you can lengthen it by untying some or all but one knot- the
knot you will tie onto. If that doesn't give a long enough length, then do as previously suggested and add a piece, and then tie fly line onto that
at a knot point.
Note: you can also do a combo adjustment by moving brake line out farther while moving power line closer to handle..... if leader line has ,indeed, a
limiting length for adjustment.
