Power Kite Forum - buggy racing events in USA???

buggy racing events in USA???

ripsessionkites - 23-1-2007 at 12:39 AM

does anyone know if there is any buggy races going on within the US? i see the 3 main events during the year, but is there more than this?

if anyone is trying to host a buggy race event, please let me know i'd like to help sponsor it. thx

WolfWolfee - 19-8-2007 at 09:00 PM

how about in Canada? just might happen or at least training and riding.

Cheers

USA_Eli_A - 14-10-2007 at 05:08 PM

hey racers. I'm in Oregon and would participate in a small series. Maybe we could meet once a month or so just to keep the dust off us. I REALLY HOPE THE ORGANIZERS OF NABX ACTUALLY SCHEDULE RACES THIS YEAR. Or I'm going to start following the FISLY Land Sailors to their races. Ellis and Bison would be the best for organizing the races because they have all the experience needed to pull them off!!! Since Challenge 2000!

Pablo - 14-10-2007 at 06:30 PM

Yeah, I'd make the drive down once a month to race, let me know if it's on, I'll help run a second class as well as long as I'm not racing in it.

USA_Eli_A - 16-10-2007 at 08:49 AM

We should shoot for march, the riding is awesome, it's easy to get low 60mph with the amount of beach we have end of winter. WE SHOULD organize a new nothwest US CA group, we could represent at the larger events. Ellis or Bison and a combination of reps could restart the club scene again. More racing, we could run an SOBB style meet once a month. I'm super psyced that the Freestlye Buggy riders are rippin it up. Maybe "The SWAV" could organize the nor and so cal riders and Nevada riders. RIDE ON!!! :tumble:

Pablo - 16-10-2007 at 04:57 PM

Ya know we gotta do this right?

jellis - 16-10-2007 at 07:05 PM

Count me in. Shall we use the net for voting and use a sign up type blog area private to the racers? Eli as you know I am ready with marks, scoring sheets, stop watch and so on. Jon

USA_Eli_A - 17-10-2007 at 11:12 AM

which site should we use, is there a new site, or could we put a NWBPA section on this forum? Everyone seems to be here on this forum. What sort of time line should we create. Lookin at Nov, dec, jan, feb, then March? And every rep should build up there 'Region'. And over staffed regions should reach out as far as they can. Every Rep could, submit a journal, or notes as to what's going on with who, what, when, where, and we know why, sometimes:moon:

zloty - 17-10-2007 at 11:29 AM

I could organize something here on OB in San Francisco.Only thing would be to find place to stay for You.There is not much camping action in the city as far as I know and it's prohibited on the beach,so probably motel.But I could get BBQ on the beach and big event tent.Parking is next to the beach.I know about RV park just 5 miles south in Pacifica.SF is kind of half way for people from NW and SW so it would work.Our beach is not as great as in Oregon but in winter months We have nice storms and there is enough room at low tide.I know all local pubs for no wind days to keep action going and they are next to beach in case it will pick up

Pablo - 17-10-2007 at 07:40 PM

Would you be running one big circuit, or have smaller areas with the best of each going on to compete in the main event at NABX?

Either way, I'm in for sure. I learn more in a couple races than I do in a month of kiting by myself.

USA_Eli_A - 18-10-2007 at 09:54 AM

meow, meow

elkiter - 18-10-2007 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by zloty
I could organize something here on OB in San Francisco.Only thing would be to find place to stay for You.There is not much camping action in the city as far as I know and it's prohibited on the beach,so probably motel.But I could get BBQ on the beach and big event tent.Parking is next to the beach.I know about RV park just 5 miles south in Pacifica.SF is kind of half way for people from NW and SW so it would work.Our beach is not as great as in Oregon but in winter months We have nice storms and there is enough room at low tide.I know all local pubs for no wind days to keep action going and they are next to beach in case it will pick up

Hey Zloty,

Before organizing a big event similar to SOBB or DBBB, let start a new thread and invite locals (within the bayarea and vicinity) and have a weekend sesh at Ocean Beach one of these days, and subsequent weekends after. Let's see how many are interested. Maybe do a practice race, discuss racing tips and so on or simply hangout and talk kites. Invite kiters like Gilligan, art_lessing, goreo95033, dagon, khooke (though recovering from surgery at the moment), KYTE-SLINGER, strasher, elton, and other buggiers from the bayarea who are not members of this forum.

elkiter

ripsessionkites - 19-10-2007 at 06:43 PM

sorry, i have not followed this thread, since I've posted it. Here in Winter Vancouver, BC, Canada ... we have started our race practicing. most of the locals have signed up to www.powerkitecanada.com were we have a small little section for racing.
as we are in winter season now, it's going to slow down for the buggy scene, but we could race on boards and skis. : )

if need be, there is for sure 8 buggiers that would travel as far as Oregon to race on weekends. Maybe the OR Buggiers could meet us halfway north, in Wash. State for a few racing events?

USA_Eli_A - 20-10-2007 at 10:15 AM

Wash away beach in Westport, Wa is one of the only spots we can get permission from the state for a sailing event. Does anyone know more about Washington State Beach Regulations?

ripsessionkites - 20-10-2007 at 12:31 PM

I was told years back, no buggying allowed on Long Beach, Wash ???
Do they even do buggy demos at WSIKF anymore?

there is a huge field by the water, at an old army base at Whidley Island.

Pablo - 20-10-2007 at 01:28 PM

Hey Ricardo, didn't know you were starting up a race crowd up this way, you should drop a line at the other local forum to let the rest of us know when you'll be running, make it interesting.

As for OR/WA, let me know when and where, I'll be there for sure, both to help run and to race.

USA_Eli_A - 20-10-2007 at 01:35 PM

look up Westport, Wa. Years ago we would raid wash away beach, get our permits through a local state park. That's one of my first races ever, about 15 years ago.

jellis - 20-10-2007 at 03:17 PM

Fort Ebey State Park on Whidbey Island was a cool place like you said Ricardo but a Washington State college took that area over and will not let us buggy there anymore because of insurance problems.
jellis

USA_Eli_A - 23-10-2007 at 02:19 PM

WSU should create a power kite club sport!!!!

khooke - 31-10-2007 at 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by elkiter
..let start a new thread and invite locals (within the bayarea and vicinity) and have a weekend sesh at Ocean Beach one of these days, and subsequent weekends after.

So do we have anything planned yet? I haven't been checking the OB tides recently so I don't know when would be the next best time, but keep us posted when you're getting something together, and give us at least a week or so notice if you can so we can make plans!

gross213 - 10-11-2007 at 09:06 AM

I have been kiting for about 3 years, and just bought a GI board from above it all kites in June of 07, and I would not race, but would love to help in anyway I can to help get this started. I would defenitly be available once a month for anything that needs to be done let me know..

jellis - 10-11-2007 at 09:37 AM

Name of club?
Racing rules?
Officers to run the club by use of member votes.
Election of officers.
Bi-laws of the club?
Blowkart has insurance for us, costs are low.
Dues.
Officers to assign racing numbers and abilities ratings.
Racing packages made and sent to all the clubs.
Racing schedules for regional and nationals dates chosen.
Trophies made by the club headquarters using dues.
Records kept of each race at club headquarters on web site also.
Protest; solutions should be found at the local level, then on to the club officers if no solution is found.
Just a few things to get us started.
Jon Ellis

ripsessionkites - 10-11-2007 at 06:45 PM

Jon for Pres!!!!

jellis - 10-11-2007 at 11:40 PM

Thanks Ricardo but it is going to take all of us to get this one going. So far all I see is about five of us. If we don't have participation even with this post then how will we get it off the ground? We need buggiers to voice their opinion; even if it is only to say yes we want this to work, but keeping silent will not work.
Jon

ripsessionkites - 11-11-2007 at 01:52 AM

we are going to enter our snow season soon. but lets get together in Jan/08 to talk more.

maybe we can setup some weekend events at Sunset, OR. shoot me an email and we'll post it on the different forums. even if its not official racing, at least we can get the masses together more often to discuss ideas. we're here and your group is there, we need to meet in a central place. seeing how Wash/OR has more than BC. we're (not speaking for everyone) are willing to travel for space. I know Elkiter is working on something for the Cali area.

is DBBB doing any racing?

what happened to the old committee for NWBA? That should get started up again. If sport kite can keep their club/assoc. going, i dont see why we cant as buggiers/kgb.

Pablo - 11-11-2007 at 10:55 AM

I keep coming back to the whole rules thing, While I agree that most classes would need the full rules, I think it'll really scare new people away from even trying in the newbie class. We ran a really basic set of rules down at SOBB and a fair number of the guys down there gave it a go. Somehow I think if they had to start memorizing stuff most of them would have wandered down the beach instead.

Same goes with the BC crowd, Currently I see probably 3 guys that are serious enough about racing to go through the rule book, learn it, and adapt their riding/gear to fit into it. But there's another 4-6 people easily that'll go out and run a few cones for fun.

Everywhere I look on here seems much the same, there's a number of experienced riders that were around for the hay days of racing, then there's a gap and now there's a ton of new guys entering the sport. I think some part of our long term plan should be focused around making it easy/fun for newbies to get out there and give it a go. Ya know that once many of them get hooked they'll quickly want to play with the big dogs.

sunset-Jim - 11-11-2007 at 12:36 PM

I agree to what Pablo is saying in regards to the rules being a bit complex for most anybody new to the sport of racing. I also understand and agree with what others are saying about one set of rules for all.

What I don't agree with though is how just a "basic" set of the same rules is really considered "different" rules. Not only then can the new buggypilot go out and experience racing with others in their same situation without feeling the need to spend more time studying rules, than time that some may have actually even buggied. I also see the benefit of how much easier it would be to understand the rules more in depth, after doing some races.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is, have the same rules, BUT, in the lower categories perhaps the governing committee can determine which rules are a must and which can be simply (for beginner ease), overlooked. I would consider that more of a building block approach to learning the rules, than it be "different" rules.

GlideGuy - 11-11-2007 at 12:40 PM

Pablo makes a great point about getting newbies (like me) into the sport.
Something that worked great in the hang/paraglide community was team events. The experienced guys would pair up with the newbies, like in a proam. The competion between the experienced guys is always really heated so they are motivated to "mentor" the s4!T out of the new guys and pass on a lot of info. and tips.
Do you think something like that could work?

gross213 - 11-11-2007 at 12:57 PM

Why not start with a weekend get together to just fly have fun and talk more about this face to face to see where we can take this, I would be up for pretty much most weekends. I would be willing to drive as far south as needed and up to canada as well. do you need passports to get into canada now?? I am a newbie and just learning to use my board, and would love to get into a club that gets together once a month

Pablo - 11-11-2007 at 03:43 PM

Lots of room up here in Vancouver BC, just need the right tide and be willing to walk out for a bit to get to the flats. I'm thinking the same thing, probably worth it to simply start having a monthly GTG, up here one time, down in OR a couple more, possibly inland if someone has a good location. But start off with an unofficial series, more laid back and see where it goes.

USA_Eli_A - 16-11-2007 at 12:32 PM

I disagree with pablo. I'll agree to be the one that disagrees with pablo when everyone else agrees. Because someone has too! And because he missed it bad last monday. woo buddy.

fletcht - 16-11-2007 at 07:50 PM

Back to the threads about Washington. This last spring I talked to the local ranger at Twin Harbors State park, near WestPort. Got a permit for Wash a Way Beach. His understanding was that I could go to the ranger at Longbeach or Ocean Shores and get a similar permit. Later that week I tried Long Beach only to be told NO. It was not allowed. After some research through local represenatives, All contacts to Parks and Rec went un answered. I found that the head honcho at Parks and Recreation ( Rex Derr) has the control of this. He said, since buggies have been clocked in excess of 25 mph (really

) then they are not allowed on Washington beaches. It is a state highway during parts of the year and the speed limit is 25. ( this was relayed to me from one of the secretarys of my local represenative.) In my thinking he must have had a poor experience with landsailers, kites, ultralights or something. ( It is a WAC 352-37-090) However, through more research, sections of the Washington beaches are closed to vehicle use from April to September, and that parks dept can issue special permits for events.

So, bottom line I would like to see buggy racing events particularily in Washington and would be willing to provide support where I can. I am not intertested in racing but I would like to see Washington beaches open to buggying. Maybe this is one way to get it to happen, start with special permits. Longbeach, Ocean Shores, Westport would benifit from the tourism.

Off the record I did buggy (?) at longbeach during October without anyone bothering me or saying I can't. The beaches are quiet and very little traffic. Stopped when the horses went by.

For what it's worth.
Tom

Pablo - 16-11-2007 at 09:22 PM

Well, that's great news. If you could work with the head guys in Washington to set up the permits and stuff, I'm sure we can get the guys to arrange and run some events. I'm new but will assist in any way possible, I know there's a large number of other guys that are also interested. Washington would be a great middle ground to bring the OR crowd together with the BC crowd. There's got to be lots of Washingtonians kicking around as well that are just staying off the main beaches to avoid problems.

USA_Eli_A - 17-11-2007 at 11:38 AM

the 'wash-a-way' permits have been available since the 90s. It's a cool place to ride, and I've heard its good to go after a huge episode of erosion. There have been many events, and the community there supports a kite festival. Great camping too!

gross213 - 6-12-2007 at 09:08 PM

where can you get the permits for wash-a-way? And who wants to set a frim date to all meet down there for a fun flying weekend. I say sometime in mid Jan.

fletcht - 7-12-2007 at 01:17 PM

You stop at the Ranger station at Twin Harbors State Park for the permits for wash a way. They are good for the year. January to January

ripsessionkites - 7-12-2007 at 08:01 PM

lets do it ... pick a weekend in Jan or Feb we'll be there.

Jellis and Eli, let your people know ... and us westcoast canadians will do the same.

Pablo - 7-12-2007 at 08:45 PM

Well, let me know, Feb may be better for camping though and it breaks up that long haul between Christmas holidays and the first of the long weekends.

gross213 - 9-12-2007 at 12:12 PM

how about the weekend of Feb 16-17 :flaming:

USA_Eli_A - 9-12-2007 at 02:09 PM

that sounds good. camping would be a challenge. Fun, but frickin cold. I'll look at tides, tides?

jellis - 10-12-2007 at 11:17 AM

I have printed out the 2008 tides and will post the weekends at Sunset Beach that would be low tide weekends.
Hey it's a start.
Jon

USA_Eli_A - 12-12-2007 at 11:35 AM

that weekend around Feb 16th looks like low tides around 4p.m.

The question is WHO COULD COME FOR SOME RACING?

Need a list of names, so WE know who might come, and we could send out email invitations with details.

SO GET A LIST TOGETHER, and We'll send out a Registration form with the invitations!

Pablo - 12-12-2007 at 05:43 PM

I'm in, where do I sign.

ripsessionkites - 12-12-2007 at 08:02 PM

depending on where my buggy is at that time... I'm in.
I need to pay a visit to Jellis either way. So if I cant buggy I can still volunteer for racing.

PS. Will post Invite on Power Kite Canada

sunset-Jim - 12-12-2007 at 08:40 PM

To sunset? I hope I can make it..*smile* Count me in.

Sthrasher38 - 16-12-2007 at 09:37 AM

Feb 16th is my birthday! 41yrs young.

gross213 - 23-12-2007 at 02:24 AM

we still going to fly the weekend of the 16th 17th of Feb

ripsessionkites - 23-12-2007 at 06:23 AM

napkra is working out the details for this event. visit napkra.org for more info on the Feb 16-17 event as we went closer to the date.

USA_Eli_A - 23-12-2007 at 10:34 AM

wow it's been a good winter, yesterday sw winds 12-15, such a nice sunny day too. Couple day ago my buddyg tyson rode for over 5hrs in straight onshore winds.

We're looking at getting together Feb 16th. Our first "meeting",

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE'RE GETTING FOR THE NEW ORGANIZATION!

jellis - 24-12-2007 at 10:42 AM

I will have to disagree about the rules again. There are basic rightaway rules that anyone can understand and can be gleamed from the Class 8 rules. They need to know the basic rules for everyones safety, then as they progress the rules will become natural to them. As the buggier advances he can then study the rules on the finer points that top racers are always looking at to push the limits. It is not that hard and we will set up basic rules on NAPKRA.

acampbell - 24-12-2007 at 01:21 PM

At the risk of highjacking what has become largely a Pacific Nortwest thread (not a gripe, just envious), I'll throw my hat into the ring to organize something for those (few) in the Southeast.

I do not have the wherewithall for any formal racing event, but I do not think we have the critical mass for that down here. I think that the region is prime for a "fun fly" for bugs and ATB's. I am quite sure we could get the full promotional support of the Jekyll Island Authority (see link in sig below), the state agency that administers the island. We have a huge tidal range that give us 6-8 hours a day of beautiful hard-pack, and I bet we could officially cordon off 1/4 - to 1/2 half a mile from the public at large for the whole time. If we time it for a low tide in the late afternoon early evening with a seabreeze still working, a full four mile rally (8 miles round trip) could be possible. We have ample cheap beachside parking and local camping as well as motels/ hotels.

A circle drawn from the top of the Carolinas, through Atlanta and down to Central/ North Florida puts points in this region an easy day's drive or less.

If there is any interest in this, lt me know and I can take it further.

Merry chistmas and Happy Holidays to all.

gross213 - 29-12-2007 at 07:06 PM

do we know where the first event is going to be, we know which weekend but not a place is it still up in the air??:singing:

jellis - 30-12-2007 at 11:48 AM

Angus
Join the NAPKRA and we will have support for your events whether it be circuit, a club fun fly, or long distance challenge, etc, etc, you name it just get out there. You will be surprised at how many great buggier s are out there that want to learn new ideas and share. NAPKRA is about completions but it is your choice and the sooner you join the more you have to say about the direction of this member voting, upfront no behind closed doors, and open to all North Americans.
Jon

acampbell - 30-12-2007 at 12:45 PM

Thanks, Jon
I just registered on the PAPKRA site. Curiously, it would not accept my registration unless I chose Region: "Western". "Eastern" generated an error message.
Is that why so many of the kite buggiers are out west? :tumble::tumble:

There is no "contacts" page yet, but I e-mailed the Webmaster.

Looking forward to seeing what's up.

jellis - 30-12-2007 at 02:01 PM

What are in the regions is something we need to post on the site.

acampbell - 30-12-2007 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by jellis
I will have to disagree about the rules again. There are basic rightaway rules that anyone can understand and can be gleamed from the Class 8 rules. They need to know the basic rules for everyones safety, then as they progress the rules will become natural to them. As the buggier advances he can then study the rules on the finer points that top racers are always looking at to push the limits. It is not that hard and we will set up basic rules on NAPKRA.

I just looked at the Class 8 rules as a complete noob, with no (buggy) race experience, nor even experience at a large event (like NABX). My "event" experience is liited to tooling around the beach at the same with a few other 'bugs and 'boards.

Having said that, I found nothing intimidating or hard to understand about the rules. I think Jon is right; newbies will easilly remember that which has context: practical right-of-way rules to keep participants at a fun event out of trouble. The more acedemic stuff will be easy to remeber when it's more important- prior to a first real race.

If still concerned about rules and newbies to a fun event, the AKA document "Safety Guidelines for Buggy Pilots" posted on the NAPKRA site...
http://www.napkra.org/pdfs/SafetyForBuggyPilots.pdf
... is pretty straightforward, and the "Group Safety" section appears to be a subset of the Class 8 rules anyway. Am I right on that?

Most important I would think to make racing accessable to newbies is a "real race" with the standard rules, but a novice or "fun" class, where the guy with a Beamer and a Kite Trike can have fun, learn a lot and not be intimidated by the guys with a full race rig.

ripsessionkites - 31-12-2007 at 02:03 AM

we have different classes, not everyone has a racebuggy or racekites but we want to include everyone into all types of racing. no one will be left out, its up you to come, learn, practice, and race in the class you feel suits your abilities.

bison - 31-12-2007 at 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites
Jon for Pres!!!!

I'll second that!

bison - 31-12-2007 at 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by acampbell
Having said that, I found nothing intimidating or hard to understand about the rules.

I am just starting the process of reformatting the Rules to make it even easier. I'll be adding graphics and descriptive examples to provide clarity. I hope to have it done in a couple of weeks.

bison

Pablo - 31-12-2007 at 11:06 AM

Man step away from the computer for a couple days and you miss a bunch. All good stuff to be hearing though, looks like things are moving forwards. It'll be nice to have some organized stuff going on up the west coast for sure.

geokite - 3-1-2008 at 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by acampbell

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Since it is being brought up, some of you might not of been aware of the thread regarding rules on the NABX part of this forum. I strongly encourage you to go over and read what you can on the thread titled "Challenge 2008"

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=5053&pa...

Dave367s posts regarding the intricacies of the FISLY rules and how they can be used to decide race results after the race is over is a good read. Keep in mind that many who have posted on this thread (buggy racing events in the USA????) have removed their mostly off-topic and "insult the messanger" replies from the "Challenge 2008" thread. No on topic, point by point reply has been posted.

I'm just looking out for the sport, honest. I have nothing against buggy racing, just would like to see some internally consistent rules used to keep the sport safe.

Steve Bateman

Unlike others, I stand behind what I write and will not remove this post.

acampbell - 3-1-2008 at 09:50 AM

Thank you Steve. I was unaware of that thread when I posted the above.
I saw it after it had been "cleaned up".

USA_Eli_A - 16-1-2008 at 01:32 PM

NAPKRA will be hosting races all over the US. WE already have races scheduled for Feb 16th! You can register and participate all you want. It'll be fun and awarding!

Go to http://napkra.org for more info.