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Stacking Venoms???? Am I crazy?

djsiryn - 17-8-2015 at 11:10 AM

I just acquired another 19m Venom 2! I saw that I could stack these things....... I know they will be slow but WOW what a sight it will be! I'm thinking I'll probably do this just once but it will be interesting. Hope I can keep my feet on the ground..........:crazy:

Bladerunner - 17-8-2015 at 11:29 AM

I don't know you but when I 1st looked at your quiver I just may have thought you might be crazy?
You seem to balance these choices with an ounce of caution so ......
:rolleyes:

RedSky - 17-8-2015 at 11:30 AM

You'll be on CNN next.

PHREERIDER - 17-8-2015 at 01:10 PM

yes, they can be stacked, for a 19m you will need a 16m below about 4m , that makes a 19/16 stack.

19/19 will crush the lower 19 to the point of just being a dragging bag, not what you want. u things close , so they act as one.

heres a V16/13 ,
yours truly doing it stacked JIBE 08 , i think these ext. where a little long but worked ok.



djsiryn - 17-8-2015 at 01:43 PM

Oh OK cool. Did not know that. Just another excuse for me to buy another one in a smaller size. LOL! I saw a video of a guy that stacked 2 19's and it looked ridiculous... slow but ridiculous. Working on getting a 13m Synergy but I think the guy I have been getting these from has a 16 venom too I might be able to snag in the next few weeks. I have been slowly switching out a bunch of my LEI's for arcs and foils lately. I'm just addicted to big kites. LOL!

PistolPete - 17-8-2015 at 01:50 PM

(1) For Arcs do you prefer a center line or steering line safety, and why?
-Older PL Zero4 Bar = Center Line
-Newer PL Zero7 Bar = Steering Line

(2) Curious how you set up a safety system on an Arc stack?

(3) Anyone ever try the 2 line safety on an Arc, Pros/Cons?
<< Link To 2 Line Arc Safety Info >>

carltb - 17-8-2015 at 01:54 PM

https://www.facebook.com/carl.kirton.3/videos/vb.1153269341/... this is how its done 18m 15m and 12m

djsiryn - 17-8-2015 at 02:04 PM

OH WOW! 3 stack is nuts!:o

djsiryn - 17-8-2015 at 02:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PistolPete  
(1) For Arcs do you prefer a center line or steering line safety, and why?
-Older PL Zero4 Bar = Center Line
-Newer PL Zero7 Bar = Steering Line

(2) Curious how you set up a safety system on an Arc stack?

(3) Anyone ever try the 2 line safety on an Arc, Pros/Cons?
<< Link To 2 Line Arc Safety Info >>


I prefer the center line safety because I can do a kiteloop without the leash getting tangled up around the lines and bars. I don't have a PL bar but I modded one of my old best bars just a couple weeks ago to do the same centerline safety as the PL bars. All it took was a couple welded steel rings, some line, sleeving and a stopper ball and works a treat! Not sure how it works on a stack but I think it should work about the same. I'm pretty sure I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. LOL!

PHREERIDER - 17-8-2015 at 02:24 PM

(1)/(2) front line flag line all the way ! the front line flag is the same its only longer (the ext,) and has one more kite (top kite)all works same....(center line usually re. to 5th line or single front w/ Y but iknow what u mean)

the why---> this are simple kites

anything through the center of the bar except on navigator was not that great, the whole Y connector thing not so good either.

(3) i see the idea of "balanced" safety on the ends and i'm sure its fine , but TOO many lines! , ONE more thing through the hole, couple of loops and its just a big mess twisted on depower , LESS is more.






RedSky - 17-8-2015 at 04:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by djsiryn  
Oh OK cool. Did not know that. Just another excuse for me to buy another one in a smaller size. LOL! I saw a video of a guy that stacked 2 19's and it looked ridiculous... slow but ridiculous. Working on getting a 13m Synergy but I think the guy I have been getting these from has a 16 venom too I might be able to snag in the next few weeks. I have been slowly switching out a bunch of my LEI's for arcs and foils lately. I'm just addicted to big kites. LOL!


I like your enthusiasm for big kites and stacking the two 19m Venom's is going to be awesome. Please make a video. Thanks!

djsiryn - 17-8-2015 at 04:42 PM

HAHA! You know I will! I almost have too at this point. No one will believe me.... and how am I going to be internet famous without it. LOL! :P

PistolPete - 17-8-2015 at 05:11 PM

Thanks for the Arc safety tips PHREERIDER and djsiryn !

stay safe stacking

:Ange09:
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PHREERIDER - 17-8-2015 at 05:38 PM

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djsiryn - 17-8-2015 at 06:31 PM

JEEZ! Must be like being tied to the back of a 747!

carltb - 17-8-2015 at 11:01 PM

when your stacking arcs, if you think its ever going to come down to using your safety then its too windy to even try. really, there shouldn't even be enough wind to inflate them in the first place. if your going to try it get a leaf blower.

zero gee - 18-8-2015 at 01:55 PM

I did this with my 15 /11 G2's and later with my 15/10 Synergies. For novelty it does look cool. When you get the stack lines the right length it is cool how in sync they will fly /turn together. It does pull hard and you might be able to hold your ground. Upwind is hard. Small wind range.

pbc - 18-8-2015 at 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PistolPete  
(1) For Arcs do you prefer a center line or steering line safety, and why?
-Older PL Zero4 Bar = Center Line
-Newer PL Zero7 Bar = Steering Line

(2) Curious how you set up a safety system on an Arc stack?

(3) Anyone ever try the 2 line safety on an Arc, Pros/Cons?
<< Link To 2 Line Arc Safety Info >>


I'd go with the center line safety. If the path for the safety line is clean and line twist is kept to a moderate level, releases will be clean. Attaching the safety line to the center line allows a straight path from flying line, through the bar and chickenloop. It's hard to beat.

I was always impressed with how the PeterLynn 07 bar routed the safety line and self-tethered via the chickenloop, but I don't think I'd route a safety line to the steering line again. It's all the complexity of a centerline safety with the added problem of routing the safety line from the bar end to the centerline of the bar. I don't see how it would ever be simpler than a centerline safety.

Thanks for the link to the 2 Line Arc Safety Info. I had never seen that. As for me, I'll pass. Having two flying lines flapping in the breeze after release makes reset so much more involved.

As counterpoint to that reset complexity, this weekend I was teaching my 13 year old to buggy with a Charger 2. It was his first time flying an Arc. The bar was rigged with a centerline safety line. I had him do two flag-outs of the kite as practice. I talked him through both resets and relaunches. I pointed and touched things to show him what to do, but he did it all himself from the bar never touching the kite. That's how easy the reset should be after a release.

Philip

BeamerBob - 18-8-2015 at 09:55 PM

I always felt like a topline safety made for a cleaner release with less spinning as the kite landed. With the 07 bar, the kite tended to wind around and around for me. Not conducive to an easy reset and restart.

djsiryn - 20-8-2015 at 02:19 PM

Just out of curiosity. Any suggestions on extension lengths between the 2 kites? I'm gonna be ordering some line this weekend and want to be sure I have the right amount.

BeamerBob - 20-8-2015 at 05:08 PM

I've seen stacking work and not work and it seems to work best when the tips of the top kite are above or even with the top of the bottom kite.

volock - 20-8-2015 at 07:16 PM

In my experience with stacking (minimal and not arcs) I generally went for at least half the size of the kite between, ie for your 19m Venoms I'd assume you'd want 9.5-10m between.

djsiryn - 21-8-2015 at 09:52 AM

Oh wow! that's quite a ways. Guess it's gonna be a bit of trial and error then. Should make for some hilarious footage though. :D

BeamerBob - 21-8-2015 at 11:20 AM

If the kites are too close, the bottom kite starves the top one.

PHREERIDER - 21-8-2015 at 01:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PHREERIDER  
yes, they can be stacked, for a 19m you will need a 16m below about 4m , that makes a 19/16 stack.

19/19 will crush the lower 19 to the point of just being a dragging bag, not what you want. u things close , so they act as one.

heres a V16/13 ,
yours truly doing it stacked JIBE 08 , i think these ext. where a little long but worked ok.





carltb - 22-8-2015 at 05:21 AM

all you need is 3m line extensions

carltb - 22-8-2015 at 05:32 AM










zero gee - 22-8-2015 at 09:16 AM

I used 3m lines on my stacks (its all i had). Too long the less in sync they fly. Steering extensions 4 inches longer to speed up the bigger top kite too.