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alf - 12-10-2015 at 02:37 AM

Hello
I have a question for Randy
Are your sup kites made of tarpolin and how is thé relaunch

Moco kite holds better in thé air with less wind toward NASA ? Or is their another reason due to water use

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hTz0INZeG-M

Foot ruder looks good
Supers could use a light kite as safety and upstream tool


Randy - 12-10-2015 at 05:29 AM

Hey Alf,

I made some of the SUP kites (the blue ones) out of Dollar Tree plastic tarp. Its actualy a very light material, but strong and waterproof. The blue tarps you can get at Home Depot and elsewhere are probably too heavy. The big yellow and green Moko was made of water resistant ripstop and its very light. Even regular ripstop works ok, as long is it doesn't get in the water too much. If there is a lot of wind, they will dry out quickly.

I was experimenting with the different types of kites to figure out which was best. The NPW's have better power and a bigger wind window. The problem with the NPW's was the large number of bridles could get tangled, esp. if you use them with quads. Quads are a lot better for keeping kites flying than dual.

The Strata and Moko designs were tried since they have a lot fewer bridles, and are lighter which helps them to keep flying. Pull was ok.

For sailing across the wind its almost certain you will lose ground and go downwind, though when I was sailing on the river, the current actually help negate some of that. On the lake I would always tend to lose ground, but not too much. WIth an SUP it doesn't matter much since you can paddle back to where you want to go. On the river I usually paddled downsteam (against the wind) then let the wind bring me back upstream, though I did use the rudder and sail across the wind as well.

The simplest and most tangle free kite was the Strata. It could be folded up and make a good safety, upstream type kite.

The rudder is the key to sailing across the wind. You can sail a bit (15 degrees?) off dead downwind without it, but that's about it. Having a rudder extends the trip a lot. Kite SUP is slow, but its probably about the same as paddling an SUP, faster in a gust.

alf - 20-10-2015 at 05:57 AM

Thé NASA with innertubes didnt fly yesterday on water . have to try with more wind but i m afraid innertubes breaks the wing profile


My windsurf i bought to paddle and sail , blue velvet 203 litres :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ty0z6mAWA

alf - 7-12-2015 at 05:52 AM

Alternative to NASA, to hold from thé frame like a kitewing

http://www.emmakites.com/9ft-bright-single-line-delta-kites_...


http://www.emmakites.com/115ft-king-crown-delta-kite_p379.ht...

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00LZV6XAE/ref=pe_61261_9023...

Randy - 7-12-2015 at 06:31 AM

I've thought of that to, but never tried it.

Alf - sent you a u2u.

alf - 8-2-2016 at 05:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg5qD8FjHEw


http://www.omegasails.com/



a treck kite i would sit

alf - 12-2-2016 at 05:31 AM

Esay to Handle. It will work on sup for sure

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wVSw83EpgdE


About



Nearly 3sqm. http://fr.aliexpress.com/store/product/FREE-SHIPPING-High-Qu...

alf - 16-3-2016 at 12:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=906z18Cl5Io
It seems to work very well. But you cant paddle and kite in seconds like with nasas and simple skins

Pansh

alf - 20-3-2016 at 03:58 AM

pansh

alf - 20-3-2016 at 04:07 AM

short bridles

alf - 3-5-2016 at 06:45 AM

alf - 3-5-2016 at 06:46 AM

Ok

alf - 16-6-2016 at 02:39 AM

It makes me confident to sup my pansh Adam with short lines


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSCagSmHZPs

Hydra 300 + SUP

Randy - 22-11-2016 at 12:03 PM

Got a chance to try SUP +Kite in or short stay in Florida over the weekend. The spot doesn't provide a good side shore launch but I made a go of it with a Hydra 300 kite I picked up on ebay and my kite winder. Water is shallow, and fairly warm. The kite got completely drenched as I fumbled along and got it tangled up before launching it, but once I got it in the air everything fell into place. I think I could launch from shore at several spot at my local lakes now using the winder, since a big beach isn't needed (and it has to be easier than launching from the water).



Since this is the kite review section - I'd have to say the Hydra 300 can certainly get plenty wet and still fly a critical factor in this type of application. As for the Pacific Sky Power winder - it works as advertised though launching a kite from the water is never easy. Relaunching was greatly facilitated by the winder.

alf - 23-11-2016 at 01:12 PM

I don't understand if you have a third ( brake) line or not
Where did you get the winder ? I never kited with lines on sup , it seems hard to master

Go it. http://pacificskypower.com/company-background/

Randy - 23-11-2016 at 02:11 PM

This winder is only 2 line. I think he makes a 3 or 4 line but I'm not sure. I disconnected the 3rd line.

carltb - 23-11-2016 at 03:06 PM

the winder idea goes back to the beginning of kitesurfing and has been around for a very long time

alf - 24-11-2016 at 02:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLUxT-N3NU&t=3s
My next bar. Easy to do with a wishbone part
I would use it on short lines with sup or fat bike
It allows to place the kite exactly where you want to


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOj7n2w2VE

Brant - 24-11-2016 at 09:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by alf  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLUxT-N3NU&t=3s
My next bar. Easy to do with a wishbone part
I would use it on short lines with sup or fat bike
It allows to place the kite exactly where you want to


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOj7n2w2VE


So, After watching the video I'm not really seeing the point in this set up? Looks like you're severely limiting the turning ability of the kite and taking away the ability to loop it? :puzzled:

alf - 25-11-2016 at 12:51 AM

It s for short lines use on sup the point is to avoid kite from falling into water

alf - 10-7-2017 at 02:12 PM

alf - 13-7-2017 at 04:02 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tbxOjT_zfq0


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdm-LbWaJC4

The delta kite is great but no upwind under lines it bents. Works great as kitewing to

Randy - 13-7-2017 at 04:55 AM

Maybe try longer lines or a bigger delta.

alf - 14-7-2017 at 01:11 PM

It works extremly well backwind with lines
Great help and so easy to use
Dont know why kayakers dont seem to use such kites:o

Randy - 14-7-2017 at 01:23 PM

The way you launched it with 2 lines was very clever. I should try that.

alf - 15-7-2017 at 09:14 AM

i would like to launch my pansh adam to with 4 lines i hav to imitate abseiling technic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOu8xW00yE

also nasawing single line he give plans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa3mjXyWus8

it works as described with 2 lines on grass but my nasa turns left since i had to take it back from a tree

Randy - 15-7-2017 at 05:52 PM

I have one of his winders and it is useful in some locations, but is limited to 2 lines. He had a 4 line winder for a while, but seems to have given that up.

alf - 21-7-2017 at 12:54 PM

https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Outdoor-Fun-Sports-Rainbow-Co...
I hop i will do sidewind too adding a brake line

Maybe i can built a winder bar with that. Would be 2 lines
https://fr.aliexpress.com/premium/winder-kite.html?SearchTex...

alf - 28-3-2018 at 12:05 PM

is it a custom built or a standard kite , like a powerblast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb1XbqxmusY[youtube]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb1XbqxmusY[/youtube]

Randy - 28-3-2018 at 02:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by alf  
is it a custom built or a standard kite , like a powerblast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb1XbqxmusY[youtube]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb1XbqxmusY[/youtube]



Might been a home made kitewing. Doesn't look like a Kitewing. A long time ago there were something called the "Wind Weapon" but that's different.



alf - 29-3-2018 at 04:38 AM

windweapon is heavy...
i hav tried to lighten it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQl4yrkPB1I

austin wing weights not 3 kg i guess

Randy - 29-3-2018 at 05:23 AM



Me too.





alf - 29-3-2018 at 02:06 PM

a sup wing foldable like an umbrella could be stored in seconds on the roof
then paddlle again

alf - 30-3-2018 at 01:10 PM

hav you triewd without mast foot, hand held like a windskate ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZUdKL_uNg

those windskate can be folded veru fast , convenient for sup use

Randy - 30-3-2018 at 03:09 PM

Yes. I didn't attach mine to the board but it was easier to rest it on the board. The original one was too small to power the SUP very well so I made a larger one. It was rather awkward but worked fairly well. Still rather slow because it was pretty small as well - about 2M. It probably worked better than kites of that size, however. This video shows the larger wing I made and shows how I held it by hands to turn. It folded up as well.





alf - 1-4-2018 at 12:03 PM

VERY NICE

a rogallo hang glider with diadrehal like a kitewing is maybe worth a try
it coud be very poweful

https://www.google.fr/search?q=ROGALLO+HANG+GLIDER&rlz=1...

Randy - 1-4-2018 at 12:12 PM

I've been thinking the same thing. :-)

alf - 5-6-2018 at 11:42 AM

it was very difficult to do with nasawings, but easy with a street star


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_RvQm_oKMc&t=


i think the kite will relaunch with enough wind
it s perfect for supers as you can fold it on the roof in seconds , what inflatable kites cant do

with harnees and 4 beaufort it will be fast

Randy - 5-6-2018 at 12:22 PM

Good one Alf!

alf - 5-6-2018 at 01:07 PM

the best for a street star would be a four lines kite controller ( wich allows the kite to depower )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEsNbfRqEl0

if it doesnt relaunch under long lines you can shorten the lines and relaunch

Randy - 5-6-2018 at 01:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by alf  
the best for a street star would be a four lines kite controller ( wich allows the kite to depower )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEsNbfRqEl0

if it doesnt relaunch under long lines you can shorten the lines and relaunch


It seems like he quit making the 4 line controller and doesn't sell them know. I wonder if there was a problem with it.

alf - 21-9-2018 at 03:58 AM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/29746473@N04/42948801170/in/ph...

5sqm propels the mountAinboard too


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/273411904242

Randy - 21-9-2018 at 08:15 AM

Hey Alf,

Pretty cool. This is sort of a mix between a kite and a sail, but works well.

https://vimeo.com/291124909

Going off the wind is harder with a SUP though. For my kayak it goes off the wind pretty well.

https://vimeo.com/286877331

alf - 21-9-2018 at 10:11 AM

your system seems to work sidewind too
why are sups worst upwind than kayaks ?
i never could do better than sidewind
my kite is not 5 but 3 sqm

Randy - 21-9-2018 at 10:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by alf  


your system seems to work sidewind too
why are sups worst upwind than kayaks ?


I am not sure why SUP are not as good as Kayak. I can get may 20 degree off the wind with SUP, maybe 60 with my kayak. This shows a good kayak track. The kayak does slip downwind because It has no rudder or centerboard, though I am getting better at it all the time.




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alf - 22-9-2018 at 03:36 AM

What was the direction off the wind ?

Randy - 22-9-2018 at 04:46 AM

North east but it varied a lot.

Randy - 25-9-2018 at 06:23 PM

You can fly them so they are kites - not sails. :D



alf - 15-11-2018 at 12:53 PM

just saw the last message
it looks like a flying umbrella
seems to be an intersting solution
wich angle upwind can you go when you kite it ? i think windsurf go 30 degre from wind

Randy - 15-11-2018 at 02:05 PM

They are purely downwind sails, but they go off the wind quite well. My kayak has no rudder or fin, but I can sail 65 degrees off the wind using the round sail. It is basically a parachute but the flexible round spar gives it a much higher l/d than a parachute. Flown as a kite it is not very easy to control but I didn't try it for long - it was just an experiment.

alf - 18-12-2018 at 12:55 PM

a double sail from the eighties
the mast can be released for jibing and kitewing use
https://www.imgrumweb.com/hashtag/lesaquaplaneursassocies?fb...

i will try this with my two delta kites

Randy - 18-12-2018 at 08:25 PM

Kites in a train have been used for a while with buggies at least. We had one guy with 3 stunt kites in a train pulling his buggy at Jibe a few years ago. It is at about 1:35 on this video. I have never seen a train used with SUP though.



alf - 19-12-2018 at 12:46 AM

i will do a biplan kitewing with two delta kite so i have 5 sqm
2 bambo in V like on this double wing

kite train is great have to try too but my delta kites can t be steared like traction kites

alf - 25-12-2018 at 10:18 AM

Tent kitewing.
I will buy folding poles so it feets in my bag


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2iS6cQXzA&app=desktop

alf - 14-3-2019 at 11:19 AM

i will try with a skimboard


the sail makes river skimboarding doable up and downstream

https://vimeo.com/12634152

Randy - 14-3-2019 at 04:59 PM

:thumbup: That guy must be really good.

alf - 19-3-2019 at 01:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPhdFi6X68&fbclid=IwAR0...


i wanna paddle the loire again this summer, and skim kite with short lines in swallow waters it seems not to be difficult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ_REQY1C4U


Randy - 19-3-2019 at 05:59 PM

Here you go Alf


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alf - 19-3-2019 at 11:04 PM

i hav skated and suped 10 years ago with a poncho , holding the low end in hands, this creates a round front sail

it works even upwind but needs a good wind

alf - 21-4-2019 at 09:29 AM

https://www.facebook.com/kitechino/videos/327049261342114/Uz...

i hope to do the same with my peak or streetstar , but with inflatable sup no foil

btw, born kite is working on a water star single skin kite for water use.
that will be so good ...

alf - 15-5-2019 at 01:43 PM

i go mountainboarding on the beach this week i take with me the adam 4,5 as kite and kitewing

tent mast , nordic walking pole , sail and sandows , 1800 g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y21z0P_Q_I0

birdsail boom, because tent mast is so flex

i ll get a stiffer tent mast in alu

Randy - 16-5-2019 at 08:29 AM

alf,

Which method is better - kitewing or no lines?

alf - 16-5-2019 at 10:43 AM

I had more speed and power in kite mode from the bridles. Kitewi'g mode is more safe but somehow the kite profile gets changed and becomes less effective. With bamboo mast i will hav to compare. I hav alu spares now, stiffer means more power.

The good is to hav a kw with just spares and nordic poles , anyone can do

alf - 16-5-2019 at 10:50 AM

Randy - 16-5-2019 at 12:21 PM

Here is another idea alf. Not quite as good as I hoped - hard to sail and not very quick. Kite is the 3 M Airush Supra I used for my kite boat.

https://vimeo.com/336656411

Ed Cline - 17-5-2019 at 05:37 AM

The part after the end. :thumbup:

Randy - 17-5-2019 at 09:32 AM

I am thinking now it might work for magic trick: "The disappearing sailor."

Ed Cline - 17-5-2019 at 10:16 AM

Funny stuff.
I thought you were looking for a fancy PKF name.
KiteFace

:bigok:

Demoknight - 17-5-2019 at 11:09 AM

I am kite face, now give me some candy!

Ed Cline - 17-5-2019 at 11:39 AM

OIC. The kite face,water boy connection! :P
Careful Mr Randy, I was almost Sally, might still be in Utah.

Postscript. Thanks to Randy for the info, and Mr Windstruck for the review. I'm waiting on the 15m NPW9 for now, spent the money on a quiver of NS4's. Tough decision.

On the one hand I could have less NPW's than Randy, or more Born kites than Steve? Easy button.

alf - 17-5-2019 at 12:27 PM

Great. Inflatable kitewings are coming !! I want to kite it on sup next

Gong is going to sell a 7 sqm inflatable wing
https://youtu.be/DtBwUVgUIek
15 m npw9 is powerful like a plane. I hav a 7 m. Very cool and good upwind

Randy - 17-5-2019 at 04:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ed Cline  
OIC. The kite face,water boy connection! :P
Careful Mr Randy, I was almost Sally, might still be in Utah.

Postscript. Thanks to Randy for the info, and Mr Windstruck for the review. I'm waiting on the 15m NPW9 for now, spent the money on a quiver of NS4's. Tough decision.

On the one hand I could have less NPW's than Randy, or more Born kites than Steve? Easy button.


I'm pretty sure you are going to have more square meters of NPW than me.

I keep thinking of building something bigger than my 7.0 NS2. Buggy season won't start up till late fall, so I've got some time.

alf - 17-5-2019 at 09:54 PM

Randy, you had to end here


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=846551845722192&...

Randy - 18-5-2019 at 05:26 AM

:D

alf - 27-5-2019 at 08:42 AM

https://www.bestproducts.com/lifestyle/a26869336/intex-globa...


i intend to hav a bird sail boom with ropes around the wing

Randy - 27-5-2019 at 11:17 AM

:D

Ed Cline - 1-6-2019 at 05:33 AM

huh...

Randy - 1-6-2019 at 05:56 AM

Yeah - lots of brands are coming out with their own version this summer. Naish, Ozone, and Slingshot are the brands most familiar to kiters. There is also one from a South African Company called SPG which is available in the US and DuTone (formerly North I think) as well. Around $800. I'm waiting for the Costco version.

Here's Duotone:

https://youtu.be/67JgSz1bIk0

Info on Slingshot:

https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Slin...

SPG Version

https://youtu.be/pUJrd36rNwo





Randy - 3-6-2019 at 05:38 AM

This page has a cool 3D viewer for the Naish wing.

https://wing-surfer.com/

Ed Cline - 3-6-2019 at 07:52 AM

YaMon.. you can see the handles better.

New rule. Every kite manufacturer has to show us three d with bridles and all. :thumbup:

alf - 5-6-2019 at 11:05 PM

I ve been adam 4,5 no lines keystone bar sup kiting in wawes so easy to use and relaunch without pain need more wind or bigger sail tough, i was slow. Imo it s better than a wing, lighter anyway , 900 g versus 4 kg wich is heavy

Randy - 6-6-2019 at 08:31 AM

Please post a video!

alf - 6-6-2019 at 10:15 AM

I will next week ! It is like funboard with kite and inflatable sup. Having no car it s the solution as i m not abble to kitesurf.

alf - 12-6-2019 at 01:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LhjY8HQirI&t=162s i had 12kmh wind sometimes 20 and it was fast like windsurf unfortunately not filmed


some explanations by the bar founder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8lvF90Yikw

Randy - 12-6-2019 at 07:13 PM

alf,

I practiced some with my 3.0 today and my Keystone Bar. Much better control than with the paraski type bar. May try it with my round kite. I need to try it with my SUP, or kite boat. Think it would work well with my skateboard or ATB.

alf - 13-6-2019 at 12:26 AM

Better than inflatable wings , no pump and lighter it works well to with 10 m lines i hav tried easier than kitewing too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwXC1I3r7s

Randy - 13-6-2019 at 04:53 AM

Nice! Great beach to ride on as well! :thumbup:

alf - 26-6-2019 at 01:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHWQFhyQVc8

the shaft stalls in the tent by passing trough the aeration hole, QED

arpenaz 3 , 4 sqm
https://www.decathlon.fr/arpenaz-3-pers-verte-id_8322006.htm...

Randy - 26-6-2019 at 03:45 PM

:thumbup:

Randy - 30-6-2019 at 08:16 PM

Here's one way to do it.

https://youtu.be

alf - 2-7-2019 at 03:41 AM


It requiers serious skills. Something for you randy
No pump https://youtu.be/14KeIqB-twk

Holds his Shape

https://youtu.be/ko7sXRVj3Xs
Air sofa With wing shape no pump not 2 kg would be great and cheap also being not stiff makes it unbreakable

Randy - 2-7-2019 at 05:25 AM

;):thumbup::thumbup:

With a little bit of work seems like they could put an airfoil shape into it.

alf - 8-7-2019 at 06:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMKJUzlDi8&feature=yout...
works good

Randy - 8-7-2019 at 08:07 AM

tent surfing! :thumbup:

alf - 9-7-2019 at 08:55 AM

with more wind i was hoping more speed


maybe the frame is not stiff enough tough i had the 2 masts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx4ACJbsA4c

Randy - 9-7-2019 at 04:11 PM

Looked like you were moving pretty well. I didn't see the mast flexing. The speed you get with SUP depends a lot on the board. My 300 CM inflatable is much slower than my 372 hard board. Longer boards with sharp edges (rails) are usually faster.

alf - 10-7-2019 at 11:56 PM

i should use a racing board

i would like to know if the tent is slower that wing surfers they sell


:lol: 25 times cheaper but not 25 times slower
this water sport leads you to buy a foil or wait for big winds

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/94d32da54c9699ef86ba71c...

Randy - 11-7-2019 at 05:11 AM

It costs a lot to go slow.:D

Yours looks a lot like this one.



alf - 1-8-2019 at 01:20 AM

]4 or 6 sqm with one tent roof
double or single skin

6m has a good power
i will rent a foil board to sail it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zSRm0PaH1c

the boom is the ast i use for land paddling

normally i would use a boat hook

alf - 17-9-2019 at 06:56 AM

streetstar foiling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfdfdB9O7kA&feature=shar...




i hav put inflable noddles on the street star and peak i guess it will relaunch easely

https://www.flickr.com/photos/29746473@N04/48748142357/in/da...

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