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Jason, Steve... did you seriously do that?

soliver - 6-6-2016 at 11:18 AM

Jason and Steve... I found a package outside my office today,... are you friggin' serious?!?!?!?!?!

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Demoknight - 6-6-2016 at 11:21 AM

Did someone get an early JIBE'mas present?

soliver - 6-6-2016 at 11:24 AM

I need some details here... I'm completely and utterly flabbergasted that a minty fresh 6m peak showed up on my doorstep unannounced!!!!

ssayre - 6-6-2016 at 12:04 PM

I don't know any details but glad for you. Pink and black peak 1 is a special kite IMO.

My absolute favorite inland buggy engine.

Windstruck - 6-6-2016 at 12:20 PM

Happy JIBE'mas it is then. I just figured the President of the Janky Wind Club needed a little sumpin sumpin. Plus, Jason needed to sell something so I just helped the whole thing along. A kite as nice as that one needed a home where it would get used with some frequency, something that just wasn't happening in its former surroundings. :)

Completely agree with Sean on the superbness of the Peak series for inland buggy engines. I'll add to that lake Ivanpah engines as well. Technically inland of course, but there is some darn nice clean wind there on many days. On my IBX trip earlier this year my Peak-2's saw far and away my most usage and I had my entire quiver with me!

Enjoy my friend, enjoy.

ssayre - 6-6-2016 at 12:34 PM

You'll have to beware of the peak haters though. Their numbers few but their disdain for the kite can come out when you least expect it. I advise keeping an eye on your kite at events. You never know when one will pop up.

Edit: only kidding. Not trying to cast any negativity on this thread.

soliver - 6-6-2016 at 01:19 PM

Steve, I really and truly cannot express how genuinely thankful I am!!! What an AMAZING gift. I was literally dumbfounded for a good hour today and am still a little in shock. You are so generous and I genuinely appreciate it!

Many many thanks!

soliver - 6-6-2016 at 01:19 PM

Now... How long til JIBE again?!?!?!

3shot - 6-6-2016 at 04:49 PM

I was just as humbled Spencer!! I can only imagine your face when you pulled her out of the box :lol:. A huge gesture of kindness from Steve. Enjoy my friend. She is a minty hot pink beauty as you can see... I know you will give her the attention she deserves. :thumbup:. I am hoping to expand another FB quiver soon :ninja:, so yeah it worked out for everyone.

You should fall right into the Peak already being a NS pilot. You will go nuts over how much power it dumps. Unlike any other I've flown.

Only advice is to not kink the stiffeners when rolling it up. Feyd has a real good pack-up video and other Peak 1 porn.

Now time for some pics of her maiden Georgia flights.

abkayak - 6-6-2016 at 04:55 PM

Great story...love a happy ending

soliver - 6-6-2016 at 05:45 PM

Planning for a maiden test flight tomorrow... There will be wind... Good thing my buddy rescheduled our lunchtime jam session :lol:

Hey Steve... You are the man!!!

soliver - 7-6-2016 at 02:02 PM

Really good first flight today's... Gonna have to get used to depower, my experience is minimal, but I'll get used to it!!! Lots of fun butt scuds!!!

I got some fair iPhone footage and will post it ASAP.

ssayre - 7-6-2016 at 02:19 PM

It takes some time smoothing out the action and dialing in how it likes to be flown. Really different feel going from fb and nasa stars but it's gonna be great :thumbup:

FlyGuyFrank - 7-6-2016 at 03:27 PM

Nice story...congrats to the receiver AND the giver. Both are blessed through this act of kindness. :thumbup:

soliver - 7-6-2016 at 03:50 PM

Funny thing I noticed today, I have a vague memory with my Montana, there was literally NO turning control of the kite with it flagged out ... Is this a Peak thing or an all Depower kite thing?

ssayre - 7-6-2016 at 04:03 PM

You mean bar pushed away in the depowered position? The peak handles and turns best with the bar pulled all the way to half way pulled in. When in motion it will handle better through its full range but static I usually in powered to mostly powered bar position. You also have 2 trim settings that you have to land to adjust. Which is your on now?

ssayre - 7-6-2016 at 04:08 PM

Unlike most depowers that speed up when you let the bar out, the peak will speed up only to the point it starts to flutter hard and slows back down. Finding the sweet spot is key. This less than fluid action with bar out is what helps with its effective depower range but also what some do not care for versus a standard dp foil. I prefer maximum depower to maximum performance in my gusty stuff so I prefer it.

cheezycheese - 7-6-2016 at 04:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Gonna have to get used to depower


Aren't the Nasa Stars depower..?

WELDNGOD - 7-6-2016 at 04:50 PM

I don't think so cheesy

Windstruck - 7-6-2016 at 04:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cheezycheese  
Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Gonna have to get used to depower


Aren't the Nasa Stars depower..?


Sort of. What the third line does on Steffen's NPWs is scrunch the nose up on the kite. A little nose scrunching and the kite will fly with less pull because of inefficiencies in the resultant shape; quite a bit of nose scrunching and the kite will sort of crumple and really reduce power (good way to land the kite in high winds for example); too much nose scrunching and you can invert the kite and end up with some nasty bridle tangles. There is a little plastic slider on the third line to dial this in depending on kite size. Usually NS owners learn the hard way not to ignore this adjustment if they actually use the third line for landing or pull the emergency chicken loop free.

When cooking along while buggying for example it can be a challenge to deploy the DP aspect of the kites for purposes of scrubbing power. This action will make the kite fly somewhat poorly and will drop it farther and farther backwards in the wind window. More than a few times I've tried this to ill effect since the kite dropped back, hit the ground behind me, then I reduced the tension on the third line, only to have the kite reinflate and rocket forward again in the window with all its FB glory. Not the best situation.

All in all for buggying I've found the third line best suited for landing the kite and for emergency deployment of the safety system but not so effective for DP.

soliver - 7-6-2016 at 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cheezycheese  
Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Gonna have to get used to depower


Aren't the Nasa Stars depower..?


I was about to answer this, but it looks like Steve beat me to the punch.

Yea, the short answer is yes but not really... The third line changes the shape of the kite to decrease the power, so it "depowers" but not in the same sense as a kite that changes it Angle of Attack.

The third line acts better as a safety for a very powerful 2 line FB... So not a TRUE depower.

soliver - 7-6-2016 at 05:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Unlike most depowers that speed up when you let the bar out, the peak will speed up only to the point it starts to flutter hard and slows back down. Finding the sweet spot is key. This less than fluid action with bar out is what helps with its effective depower range but also what some do not care for versus a standard dp foil. I prefer maximum depower to maximum performance in my gusty stuff so I prefer it.


Yea I kinda figured this out... The bar all the way out and it was loud and fluttery with virtually no control, almost a quarter (or less) of the way in it stopped fluttering and a had better control but still a little pull, 1/2-3/4 of the way in and it was well powered up and fully controllable (got yanked a few inches off the ground in a gust here), full in and it stalled out... I think that is pretty standard for a depow, yes?

Windstruck - 7-6-2016 at 05:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Unlike most depowers that speed up when you let the bar out, the peak will speed up only to the point it starts to flutter hard and slows back down. Finding the sweet spot is key. This less than fluid action with bar out is what helps with its effective depower range but also what some do not care for versus a standard dp foil. I prefer maximum depower to maximum performance in my gusty stuff so I prefer it.


Yea I kinda figured this out... The bar all the way out and it was loud and fluttery with virtually no control, almost a quarter (or less) of the way in it stopped fluttering and a had better control but still a little pull, 1/2-3/4 of the way in and it was well powered up and fully controllable (got yanked a few inches off the ground in a gust here), full in and it stalled out... I think that is pretty standard for a depow, yes?


Speaking only with P2 v P1 experience I think you have it just right. As you know, you are going to want to get moving to appreciate how the kite behaves. Another nice feature which you will likely soon appreciate is that pushing the bar out during light wind is a nice way of keeping the kite aloft during lulls. You will stop rolling in your buggy, but the kite won't be on the ground. The wind picks back up and you simply pull the bar in a bit, drop the kite down from up high down through the wind window and power works back up and off you go!

Bottom line, don't judge the kite's performance from your static flying; it will behave a lot different once you get moving.

3shot - 7-6-2016 at 05:59 PM

When the gust hit, just let the wind take the bar out. It takes a little getting used to. Hanging on is only natural. If the wind was not strong enough and the bar was eeked all the way in, yes it will stall. Steve described it perfectly about letting it flutter some in lulls. It will almost auto climb lol.
Glad you got her up today bud!

soliver - 8-6-2016 at 05:32 AM

I am pretty Jazzed for sure... I can't wait to see what she does in the buggy seat!... I do need to get a leash though :)

3shot - 8-6-2016 at 05:40 AM

Oh sh#*.. I bet the leash is still in my line bag from JIBE.. I bought a shorty PKS leash just for it....

3shot - 8-6-2016 at 11:07 AM

I'll send it on over bud!

soliver - 8-6-2016 at 03:08 PM

Jason you are the man!... I replied to your U2U

ssayre - 8-6-2016 at 03:09 PM

Spencer, I've got some whiny customers I can try and send you.

ssayre - 8-6-2016 at 03:10 PM

and a couple unruly teenagers

soliver - 8-6-2016 at 03:12 PM

No thanks... I get plenty of that at my own job... And I work in a church :lol:

Windstruck - 8-6-2016 at 04:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
I'll send it on over bud!


Thanks Jason!

Windstruck - 8-6-2016 at 05:14 PM

....and if Jason can't find it I've got several extra. A nice little short leash comes with each Ozone Access, Frenzy, and Summit. I've got one each attached to my seat and stand harnesses and still have two extra so I'd be happy to send you one if Jason doesn't find his.

soliver - 8-6-2016 at 07:23 PM

Many many thanks guys,... Steve, it looks like Jason has me covered, so gracias!

Like I said above, I got some iPhone footage of the first flight from Tuesday, but it's not great... Best part is the butt scuds... We don't need no freeking buggies!... Will do my best to post it ASAP.

3shot - 9-6-2016 at 05:47 PM

Mailed it to you today Spencer!

UnknownAX - 9-6-2016 at 11:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soliver  

Yea I kinda figured this out... The bar all the way out and it was loud and fluttery with virtually no control, almost a quarter (or less) of the way in it stopped fluttering and a had better control but still a little pull, 1/2-3/4 of the way in and it was well powered up and fully controllable (got yanked a few inches off the ground in a gust here), full in and it stalled out... I think that is pretty standard for a depow, yes?

Well...not quite. It's a Peak "thing" I guess. I wouldn't understand they say.;)

Nevermind, enjoy your nice, new, crispy kite! :D

soliver - 16-6-2016 at 04:13 PM

Second Peak session today (static) and really appreciating the beauty and awesomeness of the Peak... I really got a kick out of the easy launch. Puff of wind plus a step backwards with NO hands on the bar and it pops up like a scared bird.... I seriously can't wait to try it in the buggy seat... Maybe finally make some doom wheels :o (nah... Wifey would hate that).

Also tested how the safety worked since I have the leash now (thanks Jason) ... I realized I needed to do the Donkey "appendage" differently than how I was last time... Goo lesson to learn on a test rather than while in a situation.

Windstruck - 16-6-2016 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Second Peak session today (static) and really appreciating the beauty and awesomeness of the Peak... I really got a kick out of the easy launch. Puff of wind plus a step backwards with NO hands on the bar and it pops up like a scared bird.... I seriously can't wait to try it in the buggy seat... Maybe finally make some doom wheels :o (nah... Wifey would hate that).

Also tested how the safety worked since I have the leash now (thanks Jason) ... I realized I needed to do the Donkey "appendage" differently than how I was last time... Goo lesson to learn on a test rather than while in a situation.


Good stuff Spencer, good stuff. Wheels of Doom? Outstanding! I've had three 6m Peak sessions with wheels of doom this week and can seriously vouch for how much fun that combo is. Don't fight fate! :evil:

soliver - 16-6-2016 at 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Second Peak session today (static) and really appreciating the beauty and awesomeness of the Peak... I really got a kick out of the easy launch. Puff of wind plus a step backwards with NO hands on the bar and it pops up like a scared bird.... I seriously can't wait to try it in the buggy seat... Maybe finally make some doom wheels :o (nah... Wifey would hate that).

Also tested how the safety worked since I have the leash now (thanks Jason) ... I realized I needed to do the Donkey "appendage" differently than how I was last time... Goo lesson to learn on a test rather than while in a situation.


Good stuff Spencer, good stuff. Wheels of Doom? Outstanding! I've had three 6m Peak sessions with wheels of doom this week and can seriously vouch for how much fun that combo is. Don't fight fate! :evil:


Hey, I won't be fighting fate, but my bank account will :lol:

3shot - 17-6-2016 at 09:43 AM

Glad to see her up in the air!

soliver - 7-7-2016 at 08:12 AM

May have my first Peak session Saturday... Whoop whoop!

Windstruck - 7-7-2016 at 03:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
May have my first Peak session Saturday... Whoop whoop!


:wee:

3shot - 7-7-2016 at 05:41 PM

:thumbup::cool:

soliver - 9-7-2016 at 10:49 AM

Absolutely awesome session on the 6m P1 today... Winds floated in the 10-14 mph with some extended lulls. It took a little figuring out, but wow great stuff for sure... So how long 'til JIBE??? ....

Unfortunately thought the Donkey Schlong broke... It looked like the elastic band got frayed and gave out today... Looks easy to fix, but I might use the little safety line clip from my NASA Stars and a carabeener instead... I didn't care for the donkey part... Dad gum thing kept poking me in the leg... Stupid donkey

Windstruck - 9-7-2016 at 11:15 AM

Glad you had a good maiden voyage in the bug with the Peak! Those winds speeds probably had you begging for a tad more sail (sounds more like ideal 9m Peak wind by your description) but I bet you could get things going well enough. Too bad to hear about the donkey stick failing. Absolutely nothing magical about using a donkey attached to the chicken loop. Memory serves you have a little donkey positioned below your hook that you use for you STARS and that should work just fine I'd think. I had one too when I was getting pulled around by NS3s but I removed it from my harness because my kites (FS and Ozone) all have one built into their loops.

Go get 'em!

ssayre - 9-7-2016 at 01:16 PM

Sounds great Spencer. The 6m is by far my favorite size of the P1's. You can really sling it around. The most fun kite I've ever owned for buggy in our type of conditions.

get all the sessions you can before returning to jibe so you can really tear it up. I find the more I become one with the peaks, the more they deliver up.

3shot - 9-7-2016 at 04:58 PM

What did it get frayed on Spencer?

soliver - 9-7-2016 at 07:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
What did it get frayed on Spencer?


I have no idea really, it seems like it got that way before either you or I had it probably... unless you are making some kind of unfortunate innuendo :o

Like I said, I probably won't bother to fix it,... I'll probably do something else with a carabiner.

Demoknight - 11-7-2016 at 08:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Funny thing I noticed today, I have a vague memory with my Montana, there was literally NO turning control of the kite with it flagged out ... Is this a Peak thing or an all Depower kite thing?


It is a depower thing. You have to keep in mind what is happening at the kite end of the lines when you let the bar out. You are giving slack to the back lines, and depowers use ONLY the back lines to steer. I don't think there are any depowers in the world that turn as well with the bar out as they do with the bar in.

3shot - 11-7-2016 at 04:42 PM

Dang.... Don't recall it being frayed... That stinks
A quick fix is one of those mega HD zip ties.

soliver - 11-7-2016 at 08:32 PM

I have an easy fix involving the clip in for the Nasa Star 3rd line and a Carabiner... super simple. If it was frayed at all, it would not have been visible.

soliver - 13-7-2016 at 08:00 PM

Don't Spam my thread you douche ^^^

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