Can you jump with a stacker 6? Or ride a buggy or board behind it?
:karate:Tigger - 29-3-2007 at 11:04 AM
One Stacker Six, No!. Stack 4 of them in a 10 mile an hour wind and you can get some air. Mostly only drag if you slip off your feet. I used to fly 4
of them until I got into quads. Two stringed kites really don't have enough control to be of any use when it come to getting some hang time; they are
good for scudding.ineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 11:10 AM
What size should i get? also what do i need to get to do this could i get the same setup for both just one with shorter lines? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuetDfQ-1nYPablo - 29-3-2007 at 11:58 AM
If you're talking stackers, you will take a bit of time before you're ready to think about speed skiing and the crazy para sails.
One thing you need to understand as a noobie is that even a 3m kite can kill you in the wrong conditions. Secondly, Serious air is not something to be
taken lightly, when done by exp riders with the proper safety equipment it can be relatively safe, but if you're talking stackers you're not there
yet. There's also a huge difference between a speed kite, parasail and traction kite, each of the three is made for one specific job, it's not a good
idea to try and use one for the other.
If you want to push yourself and it sounds like you do, buy a decent 3m foil, Buster, Beamer, Radsail. Learn to fly it in any winds, then go from
there. Resale on starter kites is decent so you won't lose much on the deal. Once you know how to fly then go and buy yourself a decent lifting kite,
probably a blade by the sounds of it. Don't get crazy air with a small kite, it'll only hurt you.ineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 12:38 PM
K thanks alot for your help. But would that have enough power just to mess around with on like a skateboard?ineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 12:38 PM
the three meter that is
stacker 6
littledave101 - 29-3-2007 at 05:00 PM
Hi am new here, you can't do any jumps or bugging with the stacker 6 you would need a four line kite around 2mineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 06:20 PM
should i even go near this or is it an ok kite to be pulled along on with a board?:frog:ineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 06:22 PM
buggying with a 2m quad is fine but i would not recommend you jumping with one even in the unlikely even u get off the floor with it it will spit u
out and u will land hard!
lol dont go for cheap ebay kites they will give u no pleasure!ineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 06:23 PM
could u point me to a kite that i could jump under that i might be able to fly?ineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 06:26 PM
or something like in the u tube link above later on. is there even one that will allow me to do both?Newb - 29-3-2007 at 06:29 PM
the HQ beamer II 3.6 is a good starter kite and will do you for later on in your kiting life it will definatly be alot safer for jumping in stable
wind conditionsineedtofly - 29-3-2007 at 07:09 PM
could i jump with the beamer II? Could i do what they are doing here?
huh that ticking guy is funny cuz i have tourettes!Tigger - 30-3-2007 at 12:26 AM
You need to figure out what it is you want to do. Paragliding and Traction Kiting are completly oppisite ways of enjoying the wind. Traction Kites
which come in numerous sizes and shapes are designed to pull and lift. Para kites are designed to assist you in a controled rate of decent.
If you happened to notice, the people in the video are facing the same direction that the kites is moving. When you use a traction kite of any kind
you most generally face it.
Flexfoil stackers of any size are stunt kites that because of their size and ability to stack more than one togeather can pull and or drag you to your
hearts content.littledave101 - 30-3-2007 at 12:38 AM
Hi mate, check out my online kite store there are a few good kites that will pull you of the ground if you need more help just contact me or pm me. www.freedomkites.comineedtofly - 30-3-2007 at 09:47 AM
I know that the traditional way of using a traction kite is that way that u mentioned but could u use a traction kite for this purpose? Would it be
terribly dificult to attach short lines to the bridles and attach those to a climbing harness and then sew clips to the ends of the kite and attach
control lines to it to use it for this purpose and then unclip the short lines and control lines to use it as a traction kite. Its like somebody said
earlier "Your just trading money for glide ratio"Pablo - 30-3-2007 at 10:08 AM
Someone's gonna get hurt here.
Once again, if you don't know the difference between stackers, quad line foils and speed sails, you should really track down yourself a good 3m
traction kite
Currently there are 3-4 really good options as a first kite, Buster II, Radsail Pro, PL Pepper and the Beamer II(or is it III now). They're all really
reasonably priced new as well, great for starting out.
If you want to spend more $$$ and get something that'll take you farther down the road, possibly a Rage, Brooza, Samauri.
You won't have the skill yet to fly something bigger than 5m which is what you'll want for jumping, and I really don't recommend jumping on anything
smaller than a 5m kite. The small kites can lift you but they'll drop you in a second.awindofchange - 30-3-2007 at 10:46 AM
Needtofly...maybe I can help you out here. First, the video you posted is actually guys on ski's using small gliders or jump chutes. These are not
kites as we in the kiting community refer to. Although they look like the same thing the sail design, bridle design, construction etc... is totally
different.
Gliders have a huge amount of lift/glide built into the design of the glider. The stacker has almost zero. So even trying to frankenstien some kind
of bridle to make the stacker into a 4 line glider will not work, the sail is just not made for that purpose. What will probably end up happening is
that the bridle lines will put extreme amounts of stress onto the sail where it is not designed to have stress and the sail will rip apart and you
will fall like a rock. By the time you went into the kite and reinforced, redesigned, re-engineered the kite you would be near the cost of a good
glider which will still totally outperform the modified stacker and be a zillion times more safe.
The power of the wind when harnessed in the kites can be staggering!!! Enough power to literally RIP you off the ground. This kind of stress on the
kite and lines can be up to 4 times your total body weight or even more. So the canopy you are using must be designed to handle a minimum of 800 to
1000 pounds of stress to support an average weighted person. Would you trust your life to a modified stunt kite with some lines sewn onto it? Maybe
it will hold your weight when you first lift off the ground, but what happens if there is a huge gust, or the kite collapses and you start falling and
then the kite re-opens up in the middle of the air? Will it continue to support you and your weight?
If you have ever parachuted/sky dived, and had the chute open up at full free fall you will understand the extreme severe stress that can occur when a
canopy opens up under pressure. It is enough to give me severe bruising on nearly every point where my harness comes into contact with my body.
While kite surfing I have seen 800# lines snap like they were cheap twine when a gust slams the kite under full stress loads. I have also seen kites
decimated by the wind when gusts have hit them.
I don't think you fully understand the amount of stress and power a glider can be put under or you would not consider modifying your stacker so you
can be lifted by it. If you are serious about doing what is in the video, you really need to get in touch with someone who does paragliding or base
jumping. Those canopies are designed for the stresses you are looking for as well as the glide to lift ratio you want.
For small static jumps such as mountain boarding/snow boarding and such (maxing out around 10-15 feet on average) then the larger depowerable foils
will be a great choice for you. Please don't underestimate the power that kites can produce and try to listen to the many people who have posted on
here already. Look for a good quality four line kite in the 2.0 to 4.0 meter range and have some serious fun with it. As your skill grows and you
become more familiar with the wind and the power it can produce, you will have a much better idea on what you want and how you want to do it.
BTW, the Stacker 6 is a pretty fun kite to fly in stronger winds. It is very fast and agile. If you have already purchased it then don't feel like
you wasted your money, fly that sucker and have some fun with it.
Hope this helps and please be safe.Pablo - 30-3-2007 at 11:37 AM
Now there's a solid answer by someone with a lot of patients, I'd listen to them.acampbell - 30-3-2007 at 11:49 AM
Listen to Kent and take Pablo's advice.
And understand this simple, un-bending truth: Any kite suitable for a beginner is unsuitable for jumping, and any kite suitable for jumping is
dangerous in the hands of beginner.
Get a 3-4 meter like Pablo said, and for the things you want to do make sure it is a 4-line. It will be capable of pulling you of the ground in s
stiff gust but you do not want to do this on purpose since it will drop you just as quickly and violently.
If your budget demands saving money, wait for a used kite to show up, or find a deal on a discontinued model like the Beamer II (now replaced by the
III).
I would be wary of any new kite where the shipping costs more than the kite itself.littledave101 - 30-3-2007 at 04:06 PM
like pablo said get nothing bigger than a 5m kite, you need to get use to the power before you start doing jumps. The stacker 6 is a good kite like
the pro team 8 and the pro 10 but there are built for speed not power. The stacker 6 and traction kites are two different types of kites you need to
think what sort of kite flying you want to do then have alook around some kite stores. Have a look for some kite schools to help you learn they are a
great help. check this site out i know its in England but look for something like this www.kiteboardschool.co.ukkhooke - 13-4-2007 at 11:23 PM
ineedtofly - you need to decide what it is you are looking to do. Learning to paraglide is one thing, buggying/boarding is something completely
different and the equipment for each is completely different also. That video you keep referring to looks like the guys are skiing with
paragliders/parachutes - these are NOT the same as traction kites used for buggying/boading etc, they are very specialized equipment - you are not
going to be able to buy a 2m Radsail (or whatever buggy kite) and fly down the side of a hill.
If you are looking to get into paragliding, I would suggest look for a local club and get lessons, and get advice on the type of equipment you need.
If you are looking to get into bugging/boarding, pick up a 3-4m 4 line traction kite - take it out in light winds first to get the hang of it and get
the feel for how much pull it gives you, then take it from there.
Please be careful and don't go jumping off a hill side with a 2m traction kite because you'll likely do yourself a mischief :wow:
That said - a 6' Stacker will give you enough pull to drag you across a field (depending on your weight) in 20mph+ winds if you loop it like crazy. As
someone else mentioned here you can stack more for more power which is one of the cool things about Stackers, but the more you add the more expensive
it gets - you're better off getting a decent 3-4m 4line anyway. You can buggy or board with Stackers - I started buggying with Stackers years ago with
a 6' and a 10' stacked. 2 line traction kites (eg PL Peels) were pretty popular for a number of years before 4lines came along.
Another option is look around in your area for anyone else out with a kite and ask them about what they're flying - they might let you have a go -
that way you can work out if it's something you want to spend your money on...Bladerunner - 14-4-2007 at 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by littledave101
Hi mate, check out my online kite store there are a few good kites that will pull you of the ground if you need more help just contact me or pm me. www.freedomkites.com
DUDE ! This quote and your previous one about needing a 2m to buggy and jump scare me more than this ( temporarily ) misguided fellow ! :o
Bad info and BAD KITE KARMA using this forum to pimp your site to newbies !
Ineedtofly, You have the passion ! That's cool ! You are asking questions, that's also cool. Listen to folks on here especially when more than one is
saying to try something. Many of them have "real" kite companies and aren't selling info but giving it away.
They are right that speedflying has more in common with paragliding than kiting. What you need to decide is if you want to do what you see in the
video or kite. I'm planning on doing a tandem paraglide run this summer to see if it is 1/2 as appealing as it looks. My skills from kiting will help
but the gear and everything else will be TOTALLY different.
Try kiting with a good 3m foil first. You'll have a blast I PROMISE YOU !!!!! They are cheap enough and if you buy a quality one it will resll easy. (
though you won't want to ) Although a 3m will lift you it has too small a canopy to keep you afloat so be carefull.Sthrasher38 - 26-4-2007 at 07:00 PM
I am new and what I read in here is great these people are firm.Starting to see how serious it really is.All fun aside for a minute. Thanks
:P 
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