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PKD BROOZA IV 3.0M

WELDNGOD - 13-12-2018 at 02:33 PM

I got a box from t

he postman today. It was wrapped in PKD tape.Inside I found a 3m PKD BROOZA 4 RTF. It is a prototype and not available yet. When I get some daylight I will post pics . Soon a buggy test will be in order. Then I will post proper review.:D

eric67m - 13-12-2018 at 03:25 PM

I think I need to set my postman down and have a conversation with him. I have not received anything worthwhile that just comes free. You seem to have a better postman.

In all seriousness, that is awesome. I hope you have wind and time to get the kite in the air soon.

bigkid - 13-12-2018 at 06:24 PM

Got it already? Must have beat the Christmas rush.

WELDNGOD - 13-12-2018 at 06:37 PM

Thank you Santa Jeff!

WELDNGOD - 13-12-2018 at 06:40 PM

sneak peek

rtz - 13-12-2018 at 07:40 PM

What's the 20 and the 3.9 mean near the size?

WELDNGOD - 13-12-2018 at 07:42 PM

No idea.. but it feels like the PG material my Cent IIs are made of.

eric67m - 13-12-2018 at 09:20 PM

Very cool. It will be nice to hear how you like it.

Glx - 14-12-2018 at 03:14 AM

That's awesome. When are those things going to become available for the rest of us more mortals. I'm in the market for a sub 3m that is more stabil than a cent ii but better upwind than the buster.

WELDNGOD - 14-12-2018 at 04:30 AM

Don't know,Jeff said he had two 3m prototypes and the other sizes aren't even designed yet. That might be why it is multicolor . I know it has no label or serial #. I will try to get pics at lunch today and post them tonight.

bigkid - 14-12-2018 at 05:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rtz

What's the 20 and the 3.9 mean near the size?

It's the size of the kite. Figured out to the last number.

Blitzhound - 15-12-2018 at 12:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Glx

more stabil than a cent ii

More Stable than a Century II? Is that even possible? Please explain?

WELDNGOD - 15-12-2018 at 08:48 AM

It only has an inlet in the middle of the kite (4or5 cells). It is supposed to be a sweet buggy engine.

Glx - 15-12-2018 at 08:56 AM

Very easy to explain Blitz.
Fly a PKD Buster if you have not and it will munch through gusts with no surprises, fuss or sudden lunges. It does not bowtie when it collapses and overall feels much safer in very gusty winds than the cent ii does. At the same time it is no where near as much fun to fly as a cent ii in good winds (or for that matter in any kind if wind). The buster sucks going upwind or getting any real speed out of it (again as compared to the cent ii).
I love cent ii's. Currently my favorite kite is my 3.5 m cent ii and I am about to get one more from Jeff for when the one that I have gives up its ghost. There is something divine when you get to a certain speed on the cent ii, you pull the brakes back and you get a boost of energy dragging you around.
I have spoken to a few people about the old broozas and I have heard that because most of the cells were closed other than two cells upfront they were very stable in gusty winds but much better performing than busters. So somewhere between a buster and a cent ii. Have not tried one but maybe soon enough this new incarnation will become available and I will get one from Jeff.

Bladerunner - 15-12-2018 at 02:07 PM

My experience with PKD matches GIX.

That said it is all from back when Pablo had PKD.
The original centuries were fast but I would lose them on the turns. You had to stay on top of them.

My original 3m Brooza was tricky to launch due to the limited inlets but once flying stayed there. It was about the most lifty 3m I ever owned. A fun and beautiful kite.

Expect the newest Centuries are better but the original ones required maximum pilot input compared to the rest of the models. Not a kite I would call " stable" .

Blitz has a LOT more hands on with newer PKD than me. If Centuries are now stable who needs a Brooza?

Blitzhound - 15-12-2018 at 09:03 PM

GLX: I have not flown a Buster. I'm sure it is a very stable user friendly kite that can munch gusts like Pac-Man. It's a big square pillow. Which is also why it won't go up wind. I find the Century II to be a happy middle ground. Good stability and decent up wind capability. I have never experienced bow ties with a Century II. I'm sorry that you have. They can be scary. Earlier this year. I went out to Alvord. Winds were 20mph gusting to 35mph. I made more than a dozen runs at over 50mph on a 4.5m Century II. I've torn down the beach at 40+ mph on a 6m Century II. For the last couple of years the Century II is pretty much all I fly. The Century's need constant brake input. A little more tension on the brakes should settle out the surging. But there is always gonna be some surging of power from the gusts. But a little brake input will settle out the forward lunging. While I think it would be amazing if the new brooza could be as stable as a buster and cut up wind better than a Century. I don't know if it's possible. But I'm not a kite designer. I love the Century II's they are stable yet perform like a race kite. It sounds like the issues you are having with the Century are more pilot error than kite instability. I mean no offense by that. In no way am I trying to insult you. But...we are flying the same kites in similar conditions and yet seem to be getting very different results. Sadly though. My Century's haven't seen the light of day since I got the New PKD Inferno's. You want to cut upwind? That's the kite. I think it cuts upwind better than my Vapor. But you want stability in gusty conditions? This is NOT the kite you want. AT ALL. If you haven't seen the new Infernos. I have posted a couple of videos on the forum FB page. I know they're probably not your cup of tea especially if your flying in gusty inland conditions. But you can at least have a visual of what I'm talking about.

Glx - 16-12-2018 at 05:26 AM

Absolutely not surprised by your answer Blitz. I am glad you feel that way and are happy with your kites. Ride on!

abkayak - 16-12-2018 at 06:54 AM

im a 3m kinda guy...
busters have no problem going upwind...lets be clear about that
in fact its the most fun 3m I've ever owned...under/proper/overpowered doesn't matter
someone is gonna have to loan me one of these others at WW this spring

WELDNGOD - 16-12-2018 at 11:41 AM

here are pics

Glx - 16-12-2018 at 01:08 PM

abkayak, I will take you up on that offer. Hopefully some onshore winds so you can truly see what a cent ii is capable of.

Weldngod that looks awesome. I love the tribal bird on those kites. Please post again and let us know how the bird will fly.

WELDNGOD - 3-2-2019 at 01:17 PM

A few pics from the first flight. No hardpack at low tide that day so no buggy check yet. Here's a vimeo link for the initial flight. https://vimeo.com/315103886 I really like it . It's fast and stable,no bowtie issues. Wasn't real brake touchy and turned on a dime. Will post first ride on buggy with it when it happens.