Power Kite Forum

4-wheel buggy's?

Lobo - 17-3-2008 at 02:51 PM

I see Libre has a 4-wheel kite buggy. I know there must be a lot of opinions on 4-wheels....some pro, some con.

But, I was just wondering if anyone has taken something like a go-kart frame, put larger tires on it, and made modifications for steering/braking with your feet, and been successful at it?? Seems like it could work, but, then I'm outta my area right now. I would just like something that is stable on the ground. No intention of racing or jumping. Mainly driven accross fields and large parking lots.

Any knowledge on this out there?? :puzzled:

Lobo :smilegrin:

NPWfever - 17-3-2008 at 04:15 PM

HHHMMMM......of course leave the engine on the kart, then if the wind dies ur not out of luck!!! :lol:

WELDNGOD - 17-3-2008 at 05:45 PM

modify the steering and there you go (sort of).;-)

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BeamerBob - 18-3-2008 at 03:41 AM

His butt needs to be about a foot lower or he's outa there! Instant dlish UBE with that high COG.

popeyethewelder - 18-3-2008 at 01:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WELDNGOD
modify the steering and there you go (sort of).;-)


are you joking, thats about as far as you could possibly be for any kind of four wheel buggy, you might as well use a babies pram :lol:

strictlycarved - 18-3-2008 at 01:13 PM

im no expert in buggies but you really just need to modify on the idea of a three wheeled one. low seat big wheels. i forgot of the other company that built one it was pretty cool. does any one have experience with a four wheeled buggy.

popeyethewelder - 18-3-2008 at 01:16 PM

I've seen the libre one, but this is the first time I have see this version






[B]hardcore 4 - off-road kite buggy[/B]

The new extreme sport of kite buggying uses a large power kite to propel buggy 'pilots' around large open spaces. Hardcore 4 was designed to address the needs of the more advanced buggy pilot who wanted to explore rougher terrain.
It offers a higher level of quality over its competitors through the use of aluminium as the main chassis material, and additional features such as a disc brake. The prototype proved that the innovation featured in this design allows the boundaries of kite buggying to be pushed beyond their current limits.

http://www.4cdesign.co.uk/html/portfolio/hardcore4.html

Ashe - 18-3-2008 at 01:30 PM

One thing to keep in mind, is that 3-wheeled vehicles can actually be pretty stable; even equal to that of a four wheeler. I suspect alot of it has to do with people seing them as being analogous to 3-wheeled ATVs (most of which are too short, to narrow, and have too high and forward a CG to offer decent stability).

It's a simple relationship of cg height, track width between the two opposing wheels, and the distance of the cg from the opposing wheels that determines whether a trike flips or skids.

The truth is that most of the wide-axle buggies have a wide enough track and a low enough cg's (located very close to the midpoint between the two opposing wheels) to be as stable as a 4-wheeled counterpart. They might be a bit more prone to understeer than a four wheeler, but that's about it. On the flip side, they're mechanically simpler and lighter than a four wheeled equivalent (esp. since it seems that alot of buggies carry a good portion of their weight in wheels & tires).

This doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see work done on four wheeled buggies (or even reverse-trike buggies, for that matter), but I wouldn't put off buggying waiting for a four wheeler.

Lobo - 18-3-2008 at 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by popeyethewelder
I've seen the libre one, but this is the first time I have see this version






[B]hardcore 4 - off-road kite buggy[/B]

The new extreme sport of kite buggying uses a large power kite to propel buggy 'pilots' around large open spaces. Hardcore 4 was designed to address the needs of the more advanced buggy pilot who wanted to explore rougher terrain.
It offers a higher level of quality over its competitors through the use of aluminium as the main chassis material, and additional features such as a disc brake. The prototype proved that the innovation featured in this design allows the boundaries of kite buggying to be pushed beyond their current limits.

http://www.4cdesign.co.uk/html/portfolio/hardcore4.html


Now yer talkin'!!! :wow: That's a pretty cool looking buggy. Seems it might be a little better if the rider was a little further up and leave some room behind him to carry something.....you know....lunch, or wife or girlfriend to fix lunch...:smilegrin: Anyway, it's a start. Might want a board, or something hard under the butt and to protect the "jewels" from a half buried rock!! :alien:

Lobo :singing:

Lobo - 18-3-2008 at 02:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ashe
One thing to keep in mind, is that 3-wheeled vehicles can actually be pretty stable; even equal to that of a four wheeler. I suspect alot of it has to do with people seing them as being analogous to 3-wheeled ATVs (most of which are too short, to narrow, and have too high and forward a CG to offer decent stability).

It's a simple relationship of cg height, track width between the two opposing wheels, and the distance of the cg from the opposing wheels that determines whether a trike flips or skids.

The truth is that most of the wide-axle buggies have a wide enough track and a low enough cg's (located very close to the midpoint between the two opposing wheels) to be as stable as a 4-wheeled counterpart. They might be a bit more prone to understeer than a four wheeler, but that's about it. On the flip side, they're mechanically simpler and lighter than a four wheeled equivalent (esp. since it seems that alot of buggies carry a good portion of their weight in wheels & tires).

This doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see work done on four wheeled buggies (or even reverse-trike buggies, for that matter), but I wouldn't put off buggying waiting for a four wheeler.


Right. I'm sure a talented buggy driver could make a tri as safe and stable as a quad. I was actually just thinking more "homemade" "cheap" style by slightly adapting something already out there that is in more common supply than a buggy for a kiter.....such as the numerous extra frames left over from go-cart folks. Just seems like a good, inexpensive supply of frames....maybe add some bicycle or wheelbarrow tires and a little adapting??? You know, something you and I could put together in an evening or two for under $150, and know how to fix it, when needed, and easily get parts. This is for easy carting....not the flying and trick stuff, I'm thinking. Good input so far.

More???

Lobo :singing:

WELDNGOD - 18-3-2008 at 03:27 PM

Of couse I'm b.s'n , but it was kinda funny. Harbour freight is sellin this P.O.S. The thing I remember about pedal cars as a kid, is they suck!

Lobo - 18-3-2008 at 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by WELDNGOD
Of couse I'm b.s'n , but it was kinda funny. Harbour freight is sellin this P.O.S. The thing I remember about pedal cars as a kid, is they suck!


Heck, now ya tell me!! I drove 50 miles and back yesterday to pick one up at Harbour Freight, got it halfway cut up and adapted. You mean, you don't think it'll work. Well ssssshhhhooooooo! Us newbies ain't got a chance on this forum. I come looking for good advice....and.....well....maybe I'll just weld it all back together and take it back. I'll just tell them I left it out in the sun too long and it rotted in some places. I'm sure they'll take it back.

Be careful WELDNGOD.....we is innocent niave newbies. I'm having to watch out for you :evil: in almost every post I make. You got a baaaaad streak in you somewhere. Was yer mama mean to you, or somthin??? :smilegrin:

Lobo :singing:

WELDNGOD - 19-3-2008 at 03:28 PM

I have worked in shipyards since I was eighteen. It ain't easy being my helper , but you will get good real fast ... or quit!:mad:

Lobo - 19-3-2008 at 08:15 PM

Yeah.....workin' in a shipyard all your life will put a mean streak in ya....ha! I bet you can weld anything man can imagine.....maybe even ripstop!! :smilegrin:

Seriously, I've enjoyed your posts....and joking around with ya!

Lobo :singing:

my 4-wheel buggy

stetson05 - 20-3-2008 at 12:11 AM

I am just a newbie so laugh all you want but I built my own buggy. It is a 4-wheeler because I couldn't figure out how to do it another way. It only cost around $50 and it works! I have used it on grass and in a parking lot and it worked on both surfaces although better in the parking lot. I sit pretty upright and the length is a little short for my legs but I didn't spend much money. I bought the 10 inch wheels from habor freight for about $5 a piece and designed it around them. I am currently looking for bigger wheels and still want to try it on sand. I will try to attach a pic. The seat is a cheap boat seat. Someday I will do better but for now I got the love but not the money.

Stetson05
1.0? HQ
3.5 Imp trainer in the shop
5.0 Blaze

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Lobo - 20-3-2008 at 06:28 AM

Now yer talking, stetson!! I like it!!! :smilegrin: Nothing like good ole American ingenuity! Thanks for sharing that!

What did you use for axle's?? I know it ain't complicated, but send more info. I just might make me one. If ya could find some decent bicycle wheels or such (maybe at the junkyard), you could get up a little more off the ground....then again, that might not be what ya need.

Anyway,....cool! The fancy buggy's are, I'm sure, nicer and can hold up to a real beating, but I just want to ease around the field, or parking lot, myself.

Send more info!

Thanks!!

Lobo :singing:

KYTE SLINGER - 20-3-2008 at 07:47 AM

4 +1 = UBER BUGGY


deep rooted and as much as I tryed to.. it won't go over frickin rock soild except the shocks needs higher rated than the 350s

Lobo - 20-3-2008 at 12:42 PM

Shoot!! KYTE SLINGER, I can't get the picture to show. I want to see it....waaaaah :o

Lobo :singing:

kitemaker4 - 20-3-2008 at 01:23 PM

Hey Lobo it is the same bugy as his avtar but without the chopper front end.

Susan (npw goddess)

Lobo - 20-3-2008 at 08:13 PM

Hmmmm....it shows up at home....guess I'm not supposed to be looking at it at work????:puzzled:

Cool. You da man!

Lobo :singing:

stetson05 - 24-3-2008 at 10:50 AM

Lobo,

I used 5/8 inch all thread. I got 2 36 inch pieces at Lowes and the bolts. The seat and where to put it was the trickiest part. My next buggy project I plan to try pvc for my son. Probably won't work but we will have fun making it.

Rye - 25-3-2008 at 04:33 PM

Take off the wheels, put old skate blades, and you have an ice buggy Stetson. I built a similar one for ice for $29.00 and it worked fine.

Lobo - 25-3-2008 at 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by stetson05
Lobo,

I used 5/8 inch all thread. I got 2 36 inch pieces at Lowes and the bolts. The seat and where to put it was the trickiest part. My next buggy project I plan to try pvc for my son. Probably won't work but we will have fun making it.



Good, Stetson....thanks for the info. I'm wondering about using a hand truck tires and frame I saw in Home depot today. Would take some revision, that's for sure, but a good frame. I like your, somewhat simple, buggy. Good job!!

Lobo :singing:

WELDNGOD - 25-3-2008 at 07:34 PM

lobo bud, don't get the little 10" tires,they have some 13" dolly wheels. I had to weld 5 little gussets on each wheel . Because I ripped a rim right off the hub,doin power slides. Best to save you cash and get some 16" flexifoil extra wides, they are about 70 bucks apiece though. If you get dolly wheels ,go to e-bay and get some 1-3/8" flanged double sealed roller bearings. Then replace the low speed junk that comes with them.sweet..:ninja:

Lobo - 25-3-2008 at 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by WELDNGOD
lobo bud, don't get the little 10" tires,they have some 13" dolly wheels. I had to weld 5 little gussets on each wheel . Because I ripped a rim right off the hub,doin power slides. Best to save you cash and get some 16" flexifoil extra wides, they are about 70 bucks apiece though. If you get dolly wheels ,go to e-bay and get some 1-3/8" flanged double sealed roller bearings. Then replace the low speed junk that comes with them.sweet..:ninja:


THANKS!! for the info WELDNGOD. You da man to guide the newbie. I appreciate it!

Lobo :singing:

WELDNGOD - 25-3-2008 at 07:48 PM

Anytime Bro'

WELDNGOD - 25-3-2008 at 07:51 PM

hey Lobo ! Feed the fever,buy a kite! You know you want to.. A really BIG ONE!

WELDNGOD - 25-3-2008 at 07:52 PM

one so big they make you sign a waiver!;-)

Lobo - 25-3-2008 at 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by WELDNGOD
one so big they make you sign a waiver!;-)


One so big.....you "waive" as you leave the county!!! Ha!!

Actually, I already have one of those...heh heh. I wonder what would happen (actually I think I know) if I hooked my paraglider on 30 meter lines!!! :o :o :o

If the wind was out of the south....I'd have to be sure I'd have my Visa (not my credit card) in my pocket....'cause I'm sure I'd land somewhere up in what we affectionately (really) call Yankee Land!! :smilegrin:

Lobo :singing:

sodfarmkiter - 25-3-2008 at 08:26 PM

OH YEAH, the waiver:singing:

WELDNGOD - 25-3-2008 at 08:29 PM

man if you caught a thermal, it would be on!

Lobo - 26-3-2008 at 08:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WELDNGOD
lobo bud, don't get the little 10" tires,they have some 13" dolly wheels. I had to weld 5 little gussets on each wheel . Because I ripped a rim right off the hub,doin power slides. Best to save you cash and get some 16" flexifoil extra wides, they are about 70 bucks apiece though. If you get dolly wheels ,go to e-bay and get some 1-3/8" flanged double sealed roller bearings. Then replace the low speed junk that comes with them.sweet..:ninja:


What do you think about these tires?? 13" X 5" and 4-ply. Good price! Would I need to change the bearings in them, you think??

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnu...

Lobo :singing:

WELDNGOD - 26-3-2008 at 03:19 PM

Hey there Lobo,
I checked them out before .I think they are too heavy,and the tread will bog you down w/ drag.Go to Lowes or home depot and go where the wheel barrows are they have replacement wheels for those 2-tire wheelbarrows. They have a good solid rim and the tire is 16" and ribbed .It is also has more of a rounded cross section, as opposed to squared off like those tires. costs 25 bucks

Lobo - 26-3-2008 at 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by WELDNGOD
Hey there Lobo,
I checked them out before .I think they are too heavy,and the tread will bog you down w/ drag.Go to Lowes or home depot and go where the wheel barrows are they have replacement wheels for those 2-tire wheelbarrows. They have a good solid rim and the tire is 16" and ribbed .It is also has more of a rounded cross section, as opposed to squared off like those tires. costs 25 bucks


Excellent, WELDNGOD! I saw the 2-wheel wheel barrows (I reckon since they have 2 wheels, they call them wheel wheel barrows?) yesterday, but our little home depot must have the extra tires hidden, or on the way.

Looks like I'll probably buy bugymangp's old folding PL buggy for my first ride. But, I have a friend who wants to get into this, and I think my wife might also enjoy it (she liked trying out the NPW5 4.8m the other day), so, he....and I....may still make a homemade buggy. He's loves building stuff. :smilegrin: With my lack of building talent, that's the kind of friend I need! Ha!

So, thanks for the advice on the wheels. I will definately take it!!

Lobo :singing:

solarix - 3-4-2008 at 08:12 PM

I thought about the 4 wheeler then I found this one, it is more towards being new?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnu...

Just trying to add in here... it is a source for 3 tires/wheels pretty cheap if they are in perspective.

Jerry

Lobo - 4-4-2008 at 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by solarix
I thought about the 4 wheeler then I found this one, it is more towards being new?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnu...

Just trying to add in here... it is a source for 3 tires/wheels pretty cheap if they are in perspective.

Jerry


Thanks Jerry...that's interesting. They sorta look like metal rims. Still, I reckon for a few $ more you could get the 16" wheel barrow wheels that weldngod talks about at Home Depot a couple posts above. That might be worth the $ difference. Still, I hadn't seen this trike. Intersting concept, hunh?!?

Lobo :singing:

sodfarmkiter - 4-4-2008 at 10:27 AM

Here is a link to some cheap tires.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Produc...

also remember if the tires have lots of tread, sure they'll get traction. But there is such a thing as to much traction, when you go to slide into a corner you don't want it to dig in and eject you from the buggy!

WELDNGOD - 4-4-2008 at 04:43 PM

they are too narrow.The big wheel on the trike is like the rims on my green buggy. One day one of the wheels broke free of the hub( little chinese weld couldn't take powerslides),so I had to weld little gussets to the rim/hub joint.Five on each rim like a star,problem solved. The thing I like about the wheelbarrow wheels is the rim, it's kind of bubbled out on each side. And I think that will add lateral stability to the rim without gussets.you need to knock out the crap bearings that come standard,then get some 1 3/8 x5/8 FLANGED sealed bearings(Northern ,in go kart area) and tap them in and BAM! you got a good strong wheel that has low rolling resistance.