Power Kite Forum

PLease help a newbie

atec - 26-7-2004 at 08:13 PM

Hi everyone,

I have flown 2 line stunt kites for about a year. I really want to get into kite jumping and scudding. I am a big guy 280lbs. I have light winds where I fly 5 - 10 mph.

What kite should I buy?
What size?
2 line or 4?
What accessories do I need?

I thank you guys in advance for your help!

Jason

Scoopy - 28-7-2004 at 06:30 AM

Im like you. I weigh 300, and have light winds commonly. You have very few options. On quad handles you can go with a Mac Bego 600, or a Blade III 8.5 meter or Blade III 10.5 meter. With your weight and wind, your looking at spending a lot of money. Bego is retail $550, 8.5 Blade is $800, 10.5 is $950. You will also have to buy lines with the bego. Your only other option is to go with huge kite-surfing kites, which will be much more expensive than these options. My site is here

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sh41/powerkites/

Get with me and we can work something out, Ill make you a good deal, or look around and get some more openions.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
Scoop

After reading this post again, I realize that you are a new kite flyer, and should not buy any of these as a first kite. You should get something 3 to 5 meters to start and go from there. Once you learn to powerkite, then you can step up to one of the above choices and get what your looking for, but please not as a first kite, these 3 kites can kill you in the wrong wind.

Scoop

Jangla - 30-7-2004 at 01:36 AM

Scoopy, I've just got the Bego 400 and it came with no setup manual at all (no guarantee either, which concerns me). Having never had to set up a 4 liner before, I'm lost - don't even know which colour lines are the brakes and which are the lead lines. The company I bought from aren't responding to my emails. Any tips?

Scoopy - 30-7-2004 at 07:44 AM

Good news is, I will help you, the bad new is, Im leaving for the beach (myrtle, north carolina) today, and will not be back until August 9th. If you have never flown a powerkite before, and you ended up with a mac bego 400, your in for a treat. They are a little harder to set up (thats what concerns me) and pull pretty hard for their size. Could I ask if you bought one here in the US or did it come from overseas? Any kite sold from a US shop came through me, and if you have a problem with one of my shops, Ill be sure to get them to help you out. Im guessing you got some lines and handles??

Please send me an email and maybe we can get you worked out. Its pretty hard to explain a bego setup to someone that flys 4-liners, let alone someone who has never flown one.

Here is my distributor page you can reach me from there.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sh41/mackites/

I may have you ship me the kite for a setup and ship it back. We will talk more when I return from vacation. (talk about bad timing)

Thanks
Scoop

Scoopy - 9-8-2004 at 05:39 AM

Allright, Im back, you can post here or contact me directly and we will get you worked out.

Scoop

Jangla - 10-8-2004 at 06:45 AM

Well I'm not going to ship it all the way to the states to have it set up - bought from and live in the UK :lol:

I have flown 4 lines before, just never owned one and therefore never had to set up from scratch and then fine tune. It's pretty obvious where the lead and brake lines attach but I would like to know more about the main principles of fine tuning once I've got the hang of things.

I guess the other main thing that concerns me is the total lack of documentation, like a manufacturers guarantee! My Proteam 8 had a ton of stuff with it but this was literally the kite, the bag, and the till receipt from the store.

Now, I know that once I get used to the 400 I'll be wanting to stick come power rings on there, but how long to have them? I have seen others comment on power rings before and they have always said that the length depends on the size of the kite. I'm guessing it's also dependant on the length of your brake lines....?

RMV - 10-8-2004 at 11:31 PM

Hello,
This may help, but first I would like to apologize and give credit to the proper author, unfortunately I have no idea where I picked this up from where or from whom. My deepest apologies.
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Bego Setup
I have compiled and organized much of the bego setup discussion
which can be found on the Flexifoil Discussion Board

Power Ring Length
Originally posted by mee (flexifoil screen name, not me :))
10cm Power ring line lengths = loads of low wind power 2mph - the
canopy is a little more unstable than it would be without the
rings but not by much 20cm power ring line lengths = when the wind
gets stronger 6mph - 10mph this setting still gives loads of power
with more controability and stability

No rings = good power flying winthin manufacturers wind ranges.

Center line removed ( this is the line that links the bridles on the
power lines) The kite does not stall as much on spin turns or loose
pressure in the canopy as fast. Removing this line does not put any
stress on the bridle ( this is from the manufacturer).

Power Ring Offset
Originally Posted by Blazingskibum (Flexifoil screen name)
Power ring offset length is important but also we have found that
high and low positions have some cool changes.
We have found that:

1) High ring connection(right at the top,bridle junction) and short
offsets( around 5 to 6 inches). This setting seems to have the most
lift. Above 10mph wind is where this setting has real good pop and
float. Seems to slow the kite down quite rapidly when brakes are
applied lightly(basically lighter than the lower power ring setting)
but still keeps good inflation and shape. And will easily reaccellerate
without a hiccup or stall. Handling is very nimble with possible
oversteers and unwanted spins(this comes under control very quickly
but will catch you off guard at first).
This setting is what I use for static flying, Jumping, kiteboarding,
snowkiting.

2)Low ring connection(as low as you can go) and long offsets( 7 to 9
inches).
A bit speeder than the high ring setting. Handling is less radical, kite
tracks much better than higher/short setting. This setting, performance
wise is not much different than "no rings" but this setting has better
brake feel/control than "no rings". Still has good pop and lift but not
like the higher/short setting.
Most folks here like this setting for the lighter wind range. This
setting is what I use for light wind static flying, buggying and
long distance enduro snowkiting.

Other Tweaks
Another tweak is that I have cut 4" out of the center of the "limit link
line" between the power bridle lines. Put knots every 2 inches and use a
loop of bridle line and larks heads to connect and adjust the link line.
This makes adjusting the line very fast and simple. This is a very
useable tweak that will extend the wind range of the Bego 600.
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Jangla - 11-8-2004 at 01:11 AM

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! Great swathes of information for me to get stuck into there. Thanks RMV!

RMV - 11-8-2004 at 02:25 AM

You're welcome Jangla,
I have myself to try all of that, I'm not sure I can explain it to you, ...............but it is there and it is the best and most detailed tweaking explanation I ever found for the Bego. Enjoy flying and be careful.
:singing:RMV

Jangla - 11-8-2004 at 06:17 AM

Careful?! PAH! That's no fun! :D

Think there are some differences between the 600 and the 400 - mine doesn't have a line linking the lead lines, for example. Small differences but that ton of info will help me enormously.

Printing it off now to take home and inwardly digest!

Scoopy - 11-8-2004 at 09:07 AM

Sorry about that Jangla, when you posted the first time, you had a USA flag on the left of your post. I guess thats default. I didnt realize you were in the UK. You are correct about the 400 being different than the 600, it has no line between the power bridles.

I would like to add that I would not fly the bego without power rings at all. Not only does it give you the extra power, but really helps back the kite down out of the sky. Trying to back one down to land without rings in moderate wind can be difficult.

I would put about 6 or 7 cm rings on it and then all you have to do is adjust the brake length.

There really is not set length, it depends on how you hold your handles. With no brakes on at all, the rear of the kite should be kinda rounded looking and you should be able to make out the pleats where the cells come together. When you apply a very small, light amount of brake, the kite should look like it gets longer from side to side, and more narrow front to back, and you will lose the look of the cells connecting on the trailing edge. There will actually be a small crease along the rear of the kite. When you go from no brakes to slight brakes, this is what people have called the "turbo boost" You should experience 30-50% more power while like this, but with less speed. I hope this helps you and I think Ill put up some setup tips on my dist. site.

Good luck and feel free to ask all the questions you want. Im sure someone on here can help.

Scoop