Trying to get a phantom 18 on EBAY........total scam, nothing.
I paid thru paypal, disputed it, claimed it, recovered the $.
25 days from payment to recovery. very glad the system worked
VERY SAD ABOUT NOT GETTING THE RIG.
I HAVE BEEN SO STOKED ON RIDING, HAVING GREAT SESSIONS AND WANTED TO ADD THIS KITE TO THE BAGS-O-FUN.
WELL...
I'LL BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER BAG O FUN.
USED FS(MAYBE) OR PL
I AM GOING TO GET ONE OF THIS RIGS
PEACE
CHADleebrianh - 9-7-2008 at 09:37 AM
Chad, Glad you got your money back.
So, did you sign up for any protection program with Paypal? Or is it just part of Paypal or ebay policy?barnes - 9-7-2008 at 09:47 AM
Wow! First time I have heard something like this!
I'm happy everything worked out well though!PHREERIDER - 9-7-2008 at 09:48 AM
NO PROTECTION PROGRAM
I ASSUME POLICY
IF THE $ HAD NOT BEEN AVAILABLE THAT'S WHEN THE BUYER PROTECTION PICKS UP AFTER $200. I THINK THE AMOUNTS MAY VERY WITH # OF TOTAL TRANSACTION AND
TIME ON THE SERVICE. I DID READ MOST RELATED RECOVERY STUFF AND STILL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE SERVICE. CC IS THE SAFETY NET ON THE WHOLE SHOW, THEY'LL
DO A CHARGE BACK AND PAYPAL CHASES FOR IT.
NO WORRIESaction jackson - 9-7-2008 at 09:57 AM
There is a brand new p15 on ebay now. Its in indonesia but seller is true, i got mine in 10 days from payment. It comes with bar and lines and is the
updated p15 with inflats in the 3 rd ribs. Zero 7 bar and all.........ajPHREERIDER - 9-7-2008 at 10:34 AM
THANKS I'LL CHECK IT OUTawindofchange - 9-7-2008 at 04:43 PM
I've got a scorpion 13 brand new, was going to keep it for my personal kite but haven't had the chance to get it out and fly yet. Let me know if this
size will work for you and I can work you a deal.bbrex - 9-7-2008 at 05:31 PM
I have a Peter Lynn 15m Phantom flown 2 times complete that I might consider selling as I am getting into Sheetable foils instead.
Brad RexPHREERIDER - 9-7-2008 at 07:18 PM
thanks guys...15m would be the range i am looking for(i think ) . i ride a small board for my size 215lbs. and 6'.. i have been riding quite bit and
haven't had time to troll ebay like an addict normally would so ...
bbrex u2u tomorrow get some details
awindofchange scorp 13m might be a ATB solution u2u tomorrow and do some details
thanksbigkahuna - 9-7-2008 at 11:57 PM
I had a P15 and P18. There's a lot of wind range overlap between the two. Of the two, the P15 was my favorite, turning speed was considerably faster
than the P18. The P18 gave me about 2 - 3 mph more bottom end than the P15.
If you're going to use it on the water, I personally would keep an eye out for a Venom I or II. The Phantom was a good kite, but the Venom is more
suited for use on the water IMHO. More controlled launching and easier relaunching (although still not as reliable as a FS or SLE in this area) than
the Phantom (which is nearly impossible to relaunch on the water).
BTW, bummers about the eBay deal. I'm currently waiting for a resolution by PayPal for a similar situation. It's been over a week since I started
the process and still no word from PayPal. I didn't use a credit card, but it's only $30 so I'm not too concerned. Some real jerks out there, huh?
EDIT: I just listed my Venom I 19m for sale...PHREERIDER - 10-7-2008 at 05:58 AM
info really helps......... very tempted to go the FS route . blimps i got and have really had great success with bows and c-kites... the valve thing
with the naish... countless repairs. nemisis 10m is an '05 but ultra fresh use it on land alot sense 12m boxer has 3 valve leaks and i refuse to
nurse it in the summertime.
ebay is good, the garbage it attracts can be challenging.
the size thing with the PL and FS and the water use? hard for me to judge.
i should probably stick to land use with these just to get the feel.
15m phantom = 12/13m c-kite? it's a little of a stretch but that's my sense of it all.
i could use P15 on water(20-25mph) but mainly on land 10-15mph. (137JL @215lbs.)
that's hopefully where i'm going with this, helpful comments?bigkahuna - 10-7-2008 at 10:07 AM
I weigh 245 and used my Phantom 15 in 18 - 25 mph (although I could use it in higher winds than that, but certainly no less than 18 mph). I used my
Venom 19m in roughly 15/16 mph to 25 mph. The Venom 19 actually turns a slightly faster than the Phantom 15 as I recall, and the Venoms also have a
more solid feel in the air (I had problems with the Phantoms "tip clapping" in gusty, shifty winds). I know there are a lot of FS advocates here, I
personally never liked FS's. Just too finicky in gusty winds for my tastes. They are, IMHO, a completely different kite than Venoms and the modern
SLE's. If you kite in gusty winds, or prefer a kite that is stable by nature, stick with PL's or SLE's.awindofchange - 10-7-2008 at 11:34 AM
Have to agree with bigkahuna that the Venom is a much better kite for water than the Phantoms. If you are going to use it on both water and land then
get the Venom. The biggest difference between the Venom and the Phantom is the aspect ratio. The Phantom has a higher aspect ratio than the Venom
does, what this does is make the Phantom better for higher winds with a more aggressive lift but you have to fly the kite very very very aggressively
to get it to perform. The Venom will have a lot better lower wind power and easier to get up on plane or get moving without having to get extra
aggressive with it. The lift is awesome and has a much smoother feel on the water. It will float longer for better hang times without having to get
aggressive with it while your airborne. The Venom is also much easier to waterlaunch and a bit more stable. For land use and awesome speed the
Phantom is a killer! It excels in the higher winds and the more you work it the more power you get. Both kites have about the same amount of depower
which is usually more than what most C kites are capable of. They love long throw bars.
Check out Kahuna's deal on the 19 VI, might be your best bet.PHREERIDER - 10-7-2008 at 01:04 PM
seems the V19 is the best combo rig but it seems a bit big to run on land, i have lei's for water in any condition, except light wind, and when its
light i go to the ATB
lighter winds on land 10-15mph, this is the gap ...if i could use it on the water it would be a bonus, water use not a critical part of the
decision.
PL definitely fits my flying style, 2days and i'll let you know BK, let it go if you have a buyer
the choices and possibilities are hurting my brain! that's why i'm gonna take session on the water RIGHT NOW!
thinking about a new AIR TRACTOR,
peace chadTaper123 - 10-7-2008 at 02:18 PM
I fly my Phantoms on the water. Find that if I toss the bar before wiping out... when I get done wiping out the kite is waiting for me at it's
zenith. Got rid of all my LEI's and use Scorpions or Phantoms now for water use, even though both were designed for land. Great to be able to
kiteboard, then come in and grab a buggy or ATB to dry off with. A 10m Scorp or Ozone Access are my favorite buggy engines.
Great kites...Baluk - 10-7-2008 at 04:31 PM
I have to agree Taper,
I lvoe the fact that whenever i'd crash, wipe out anything. i did not have to worry about the kite and doing a nice huge superman as it crashes right
thru the powerzone. it's an awesome relief having it there, waiting. Granted I haven't gone much in the water with the Phantom, I have had it land in
the water only once - it was a sinch to relaunch [took 3 seconds], maybe that was lucky though - but with the auto zenith, you don't need to water
launch it at much as an LEI.bigkahuna - 10-7-2008 at 05:27 PM
Taper and Baluk are right about not needing to relaunch a PL very often. Coming from LEI's it takes a bit of time to learn to just "let go of the
bar" during a crash, but that's the best technique as a PL will tend to return to zenith on its own (as opposed to an LEI which will tend to drop to
the water). But it is definitely a tendency you'll learn to appreciate.
Until the release of the Venoms, the Phantom was the best water kite PL made. But the Venom -is- a better all around kite for more reasons than
relaunchability, and Kent listed some of those reasons more eloquently than I am able to. Looking at your current quiver of C kites, I'd venture that
you will find the Venoms to have a much wider wind range in addition to greater stability over any of your C-kites. Too bad you don't have one there
that you can try out to see for yourself. They really are great kites. Although I don't really want to sell my V19, I need a new board more than I
need a "backup" kite, so on the market it goes! action jackson - 10-7-2008 at 06:41 PM
my Phantoms only hit the water maybe one in 60 sessions, i have about 90% relaunch success.I have to re-teach myself each relaunch. The times it hits
the water i have driven the kite into the drink. I use them for both water and land. I tend to kite 4-7 days a week..........ajPHREERIDER - 10-7-2008 at 09:19 PM
AJ I'm daily as well wind permitting, there's always something to work with
P15 epay hopefully i'll get it. about what year where phantoms produced? venom?
what wind range do you feel powered up with your p15. weight,board?action jackson - 11-7-2008 at 07:40 AM
The 15m you will have enough power on land at 7mph the land kicks in about 10-12mph and looking for a smaller kite at 25. On the water, 9-10 for
downwind riding. Upwind riding starting about 13-15.Powered up 17+ but you will never feel the gust with the depower.I find that 12p has about the
same bottom end with 35m lines.I will try longer lines on 15p soon and feel i will find a new lower end.I weight 195lbs and ride 145x49 crazy-fly. I
been on arcs since 2000., so i guess i have several 1000 hrs on them. I recently bought the 15p to replace my 15p from 2004-5 that had over 4000 miles
in the buggy and 2-300 hrs in the water...............ajbigkahuna - 11-7-2008 at 10:28 AM
Quote:
On the water, 9-10 for downwind riding. Upwind riding starting about 13-15.
Huh? :o :o 9-10 on the water with a Phantom 15? You're kidding right? You guys in Texas must use BIG wind meters, huh? action jackson - 11-7-2008 at 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by bigkahuna
Quote:
On the water, 9-10 for downwind riding. Upwind riding starting about 13-15.
Huh? :o :o 9-10 on the water with a Phantom 15? You're kidding right? You guys in Texas must use BIG wind meters, huh?
keyword Downwind............ajPHREERIDER - 11-7-2008 at 11:40 AM
wow on the water at 10 i got the downwind part.
well, we'll see, if i hook this kite, i will know its limits shortly.
i don't expect to ride on the water at 10, but i will try on both boards .... this gonna be fun!
ATB range sounds solid... definitely a good start.
My "therapy" session is approaching gotta flow
(check this pics last session wife finally catches me on my girlfriend)
PHREERIDER - 11-7-2008 at 05:56 PM
one more
PHREERIDER - 12-7-2008 at 05:00 AM
DID NOT GET THE P15!
:flaming:
UNIVERSE IS TRYING TO TELL ME SOMETHING.
OH WELL, OFF TO FLY @JEKYLL WITH ANGUS.action jackson - 12-7-2008 at 05:50 AM
ps there are 26 more vids from yesterday on my utube...........ajacampbell - 13-7-2008 at 06:06 AM
Here is Chad on Kite Beach, Jekyll Island with the PL Reactor 8.3 in low wind at high tide. I learned after the fact that he had never flow a foil
before. He did well.
acampbell - 13-7-2008 at 06:07 AM
Chad
PHREERIDER - 13-7-2008 at 09:19 AM
thanks angus, made my day.
FIRST TASTE OF PL, WOW RIG IS TIGHT... INCREDIBLE POWER IN THESE CONDITIONS
I have to say i have never flown anything in 5-6mph (npw in 5mph is just barely there).
solid upwind runs with powerslides in 5MPH this blows my mind. you can really whip up some riding power with this thing. the open cell foil feel is
different than what i'm use to. as it pressurizes in apparent flight it really stiffens up and stabilizes nicely.
VERY SMOOTH POWER THROUGH ITS SWEET SPOT.
a little soft and slow high in the window but totally manageable
back to back static loops, even 180 degree direction change under peak power right down the throat of the power zone with no brake, nice
easy reverse launch couple times uneventful
a pleasure to fly!
ULTRA BIG THANKS TO ANGUS.
GRATEFUL FOR THE WIND AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE SOMETHING NEW!PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 06:48 AM
OK folks (trolling ebay again) won a 16m VENOM, total bargain. Communication is solid with seller. It should drop on the house fri/sat. gotta bar
with it so i 'll be tweaking and riding this weekend. i intend to make this my go to rig if it delivers in 15-20. and it should!lunchbox - 16-7-2008 at 09:33 AM
That pic's taken when it's high tide??? Man, I would die for something like that....and the pic of Chad static with the inflato...look at all that
hard pack!
That's it...I'm moving to the Southeast...got room for another one on the beach?
BTW, I also got the 8.3...love that kite...been really tempted to try it once on water in the light stuff since I can't afford a Speed right
now...wonder what the low end is on water....hmmmPHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 11:09 AM
the static with lei is low at home taken by my wife, and the atb and static with the reactor taken by acampbell on jekyll at -2hrs. hightide.
i felt like the reactor would easyily take me on the water in 8-10mph. the absence of lift would make it quite challenging but i think it's doable
definitely on a big board.
as i have learned/ or opted (for the sake of be banned in total )the land sailing is out during the day. that's why i fly at night. even 9pm is to
early. ATB during the day now is quiet alien feeling. maybe a little during the winter.
the low tide blimp shot is between crowds at about 8-8:30. the rule is "be in the water" the fine is $500.00 if riding on land esp. with any
crowd/people presentaction jackson - 16-7-2008 at 12:09 PM
You outbid me in the last hr................aj:evil:kiteNH - 16-7-2008 at 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by goldendmd
tthat's why i fly at night. even 9pm is to early.
How can you see well enough to ride the ATB at night? By moonlight? Headlamp?
$500 for a kite in the air is just absurd. I hope they've got that well posted. I can't imagine unknowingly setting up a kite and having a beach
police roll up and give me ticket for 500 beans. I think I might lose it. :flaming:lunchbox - 16-7-2008 at 12:50 PM
Whow, $500 bucks...geez....what's up with that...did someone get hit with a kite or lines in the past?
Fortunately, up in Oxnard we have miles and miles of basically deserted beaches with the wind blowing side to side-on 95% of the time which makes for
great kitesurfing runs but I can just imagine how great the runs would be with a 100yds of hard packed beach and onshore winds...one of these days,
though, I'm going to try a downwind run!!!PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 02:14 PM
i will post a pic of the numerous posted signs at every access.
moon light makes easy. i have small lights on the rig, i run a small beacon on my harness.
i like doing it. It is void of people, surreal even. lights of any kind ruin the visiual acuity
no head lamps or any vision aids. you get used to it ,
i had about 50-60 sessions range about 2-3 hours.
it's not for everyone, it's not about the kite, it's not about the board, truly helps you forget those things, really helps the flow of the whole
ride and that's what it's about just going out and taking a ride. nothing fancy, no really hot tricks. i will admit the speed in the open setting
does feed the junkie in me but it basically is blind repetition. i have alot of fun doing it and my wife doesn't even no i've gone so it's like a
double does of more. it has really help my skill development becoming a better flier practically in my sleep.
but first ....gonna hit the water and commune with the windPHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 06:46 PM
pics of the sign AT EVERY public access has one easily a hundred or so and the pics of the most recent rig lights the silver are AL and use a single
AAA, the are good but the batteries fail in 10-15hrs. i have rechargeable AAA. not so wasteful.
PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 06:48 PM
next
PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 06:50 PM
and the fine
PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 06:51 PM
last one, the lights
the silver may be a fraction lighter than the blue, very close though
PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 07:24 PM
AJ .........i dropped that bid on time .... DUDE HAD A BAR TO GO WITH IT TOO. I FEEL LIKE IT WAS A LOW BUCK DEAL.
let you know when arrives,
can you add pulleys to the pivot on the wing tip for more depower or variable power (VPS) seems simple and add a little range? would this be a VII
mod.?BeamerBob - 16-7-2008 at 07:28 PM
So help me with "NO KITES NOT UNDER MANUAL CONTROL". Seems like a foil that isn't a stunt kite slips through the cracks. What is their definition of
a stunt kite and sand sailing?PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 07:52 PM
single line kite tied to a post, chair, whatever. stunt kite- a kite designed that responds to manual input. sand sailing- manually controlled,
wind powered device.
a few years back a group of manta fliers (blokart a modern version i think) got the town concerned, not sure of any accidents but that's the story.
could have been back in the 80's not sure, maybe the 70's. used to b a 3month NO period now it's 5months. with good reason flying day time now even
at low tide, the bikes, the people, and all their stuff. attracts the unwanted attention that can kill a good session. SO I rig and right to the
water.BeamerBob - 16-7-2008 at 08:00 PM
Wow, I guess Hilton Head is off our vacation list then. We are welcome all up and down the carolina coasts as well as Florida, except Daytona I hear.
Too many places for me to just use good judgement and have fun to go to HHI with all those restrictions. I guess there are people lined up to get on
the island anyway so it prolly won't change anytime soon. They won't miss my money is what I'm trying to say.
On the other hand, I might come crash your place for a midnight run sometime. That is intriguing for sure.PHREERIDER - 16-7-2008 at 08:13 PM
i will be going tonight @ 1:30
i think you can make it.
serious ENE blowing on the water this evening the swells in some spots must have 8-10 feet the incoming tide current was 6knots running WSW down the
beach. the combo is more like winter. as soon as you put your foot down the current would knock you down
