..............

Is this a question or a comment?

neither pl vapor is faster

hehehe :D

it depends on 80% rider / 20% kite

Rip 80% of the pilots are world class fast with the Spirit. ;> I am up for any challenges at Sunset Beach? :evil:

Hey Jon, I sent you a Yakuza GT to try out....didn't you get it?

Ahhh, It must a blew by you so fast while you were on that JoJo that you didn't see it. Ah well, maybe next time. :dunno:

THAT'S FUNNY....

Jon and I are going to work hard on the Spirits. Using what my dad discovered with line length and what Jon has discovered with kite PARA KARTS we are going to revert to what we know works. With that we'll be posting max speeds with each size!

Once Jellis figures out the formulas we'll have completely dialed in the Spirit.

I'm excited to work with Jellis, he shares my passion for speed and efficiency!

fastest arie has a good setup for his spirits, i flew a 3.3 and briefly the 15.5 at nabx.

air density at coast vs. desert

differnt set up bro... bring long lines when you show up at the coast

i got my 25m to 35m lines for sobb.

cant wait to ride the long beach again.

Quote:

Originally posted by USA_Eli_A air density at coast vs. desert differnt set up bro... bring long lines when you show up at the coast

thats intressting we do it just the oppisite in europe
we all grab our short lines for the coast.
we use long lines for low wind and for in fields where the wind is not so smooth.
what benifits are you seeing from the longer lines on the coast?

longer power stroke, smoother acceleration, we have all terrain riding. and the kite seems to turn easier on longer lines. we went short, didn't like it. we've gone 25-30-40m forever s/m/l kites.

shorter lines seem to hinder the kite, with it lower to the ground the winds at the coast are significantly strong 20-30 ft up.

I experiment with both, and keep gravitating back to 30 m lines...

we noticed some differences between Europe and US, and the difference is great. Getting to know both styles will help us catch up to you guys once we can find our way there from some racing.

What you write is correct but longer lines have a tendence to slow the kite down(Drag from the lines) and with smaller kites the brake lines will start to pull the back of the kite inward just from the drag.

What is behind your beach? If it is trees then I can understand why you want to get up above in clean air.

As far as turning the kite your correct on longer lines they are easyier to turn BUT also much slower
When changing from long to short lines it does take getting used to but when you get used to it you wont go back.

Most of the race kites built today are designed to be used on very short lines (down to 12m)

when yo do your testing let us know the results
I would also like to see the beach you ride at please send me a link to google earth or so and then maybe I can understand your love for long lines.
Chris

Read the story from Malte (current World Champion):

http://www.flyozone.com/landkites/en/news/archive/2009/07/11...

It is tru what he said,...myself , I am using 16 mtrs. and on the biggest one 20 mtr, but I am sure the shorter will be possible. If you are not racing or in the dunes (see the guys in Dubai) then you don't need such long line, like Chris said. It is all about the drag ...

cheerd,
Jeroen

@ ozzy cool now we have someone who is actively involved in developing kites.
What length lines were used in developing the Vapor/Reactor II?

Are the kites trimmed for a certian length line?

If yes does it match the length of line that the manufacture offers in the RTF set?
Thanks,
Chris(the guy that is waiting since last October for the Reactor II)

Quote:

Originally posted by Krohn1999 @ ozzy cool now we have someone who is actively involved in developing kites. What length lines were used in developing the Vapor/Reactor II? Are the kites trimmed for a certian length line? If yes does it match the length of line that the manufacture offers in the RTF set? Thanks, Chris(the guy that is waiting since last October for the Reactor II)

the wait is nearly over

the RTF will be 20m lines

they are testing new lines. ozzy keeps breaking them. rofl. time to transfer some weight over to me. hehehe.

@ rip
Yea I know that they are 20's and they do look better than the old ones, but it would be intressting to know what length of lines Ozzy uses when he is doing the testing?

"The wait is nearly over" --- Thats what they told me last October as they were testing the 8.6 in Browersdamm.
It doesn't really matter how long it takes, most important is that when they come out that they are good.
Chris

Sunset Beach, Oregon- 46 05'54.48"N 123 56'35.10"W

@heliboy
thanks,
That looks like a nice beach!
Hows the sand? hardpack?
How far can you ride there?
Chris

Hard pack when the tide is out, soft when it's in with some driftwood. Grassy dunes good to ride with BF's. The beach is something like 10-12 uninterrupted miles north to south. I can only ride about 100' before I crash but good riders can run the whole thing with westerly wind.:Ange09:

The Vapor's we test them on 15 mtrs , most of the high end kites, like the GT and Spirits are flown between 15 and 17 mtrs. More then enough. Like said before , when you have offshore winds, with some dunes or trees, you need longer lines to catch the "clean"winds. When tacking up with shorter lines, on a technical circuit, like 5 or more markers, you will certainly see the difference as the kite will fly more deeper into the zenith , so less drag , so sharper against the wind.

Some body with 20 mtr or longer will defently stay behind someone with 15 mtr lines, on a track like I mentioned.
Circuits from A to B, half wind, or a bit down wind, wil not see so much different.

Just test it out with a couple of pilots with different line lengths and change kites with each other, and you will see the difference.

regards,
Jeroen aka Ozzy

Quote:

Originally posted by heliboy50 Hard pack when the tide is out, soft when it's in with some driftwood. Grassy dunes good to ride with BF's. The beach is something like 10-12 uninterrupted miles north to south. I can only ride about 100' before I crash but good riders can run the whole thing with westerly wind.:Ange09:

I'm going to add this to my list of places I need to visit the next time I'm in the states. Can you ride anytime or are there restrictions?
OOOPPPPSSS Sorry we are a little off topic

mmmm aaaaa ja Line length

@Ozzy
Thanks for the info

Chris

Quote:

Originally posted by Krohn1999 I'm going to add this to my list of places I need to visit the next time I'm in the states. Can you ride anytime or are there restrictions? OOOPPPPSSS Sorry we are a little off topic mmmm aaaaa ja Line length @Ozzy Thanks for the info Chris

To help keep this post on topic I would just like to say that Sunset Beach is a great place to experiment with different line lengths.

So if you are ever able to place it on your agenda, we would love to welcome you to our playground.... uhhh I mean "testing facility". ;-)

The only restrictions we have are the ones created by mother nature and to have fun. We pretty much "experiment and test" all year round.