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Originally posted by rocfighter Sorry we are sooo off course here. I agree that if you use your belt and a key chain you best hope you have good insurance. And in my opinion the best insurance will be go to the sports shop in your area and at least get a padded harness and a certified beaner. An average cost of $50.00 total and still show up for work next week. Any way, a key chain will cost you $1.99 and a certified beaner will be$5-6.00, And a good belt is $20.00 and a safty harness is $45.00 Like in another thread some had written it's like buying a top knotch sports car, and putting bald tires on it. It just makes no sense. Please take non of what we are all saying as critisizm. This sport is facing many critics as all other sports do. And the safer we show ourselves the better the sport will be for the future. Ok so now I'm a phylosifizer! Maybe my fever is back! Play safe, Dave.

link to $45 harness?

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link to $45 harness? / Quote: The Black diamond you originally posted a link to is a very good harness,,,,,,,add a beaner and your off and flying. As for the blueberry pancakes,,,,,,,,,,6 days a week for me Home made with fresh blueberries from the local farmer and real new england maple syrup. That crap from Aunt Jemima makes me want to barf. I spare no expense on my pancakes. Only the very best sorry for the hijack. Just make sure to try on whatever harness you buy. Climbing harnesses can be very comfortable in a buggy or on a board IF you take the time to get one that fits properly. Good winds Dean

Sorry, I screwed up the quote thingy

http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Black-Diamond-Vario-C...
went to the rock climbing store today and saw this^^ what do ya'll think, yay or nay?

Just get a real kite harness, it will be so much better than spending money on rock climbing one. You will end up with both if you buy this one first. The backsupport will really help out...............aj

Na no support, the pull will be to high and you won't get any legg support.

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Originally posted by sofaking http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Black-Diamond-Vario-C... went to the rock climbing store today and saw this^^ what do ya'll think, yay or nay?

Big Nay.

The Chest Harness is not meant to be your primary harness. It is meant to control your center of gravity and to prevent you from inverting, if you are climbing with a load or performing work that might suddenly upset your balance.

From the product description:
"Use the Black Diamond Vario Chest Harness in conjunction with your regular harness to keep you upright when jugging a fixed line, aiding a roof, or rappelling with a heady load. Don't risk being flipped upside down because of a unique climbing situation, just clip the rope though the Black Diamond Vario Chest Harness to keep you upright and making progress."

ATB,
Sam

Good call, Sam
The pancake breakfast part of this thread was more productive.

I kite with and talk to a lot of friends and customers and I do not know anyone who tried a climbing harness who did not eventually get a kite harness (most pretty quickly).

If it's about saving money you may as well cut leg holes in a Hefty Cinch Sack, as it will have the same effect when you hook a kite to it. There is a reason for the spreader bar and added padding. Even the Ozone harness without the spreader bar has added lumbar padding that spreads the load around the back more than the climbing harness will, from what I have seen.

nice call, indigo.

chest harnesses are never used without waist harnesses. the consequences of a hard yank to the chest are far more severe than the same hard yank to the pelvis.

full body harnesses are often used, but not for dynamic climbing, and they hurt just as bad as the normal ones do.

forty-five degrees F in Zhao Qing right now and it gets cold so rarely here the houses don't have heating!

just reread the pancake breakfast, and it's making me drool!

one last question
if i get this http://www.bigwinds.com/kite/category/47/product/1060 it would appear a need a spreader bar as well, correct? but how do i tell what size spreader bar i need?

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Originally posted by sofa king one last question if i get this http://www.bigwinds.com/kite/category/47/product/1060 it would appear a need a spreader bar as well, correct? but how do i tell what size spreader bar i need?

Call them. That is the best recommendation I can make. Or get a harness that has a spreader bar already incorporated. It looks like a good deal IF you already have a spreader bar. Otherwise you will end up spending more to get the spreader bar in addition to the harness than if you got one that already had it attached. Once you add both the spreader bar and the pad for it (you will probably want both), you are looking at nearly 150 dollars for the set. At that point, you could have gotten the Ozone Access XC for 125 with spreader bar, or you could have gotten something else entirely.

If you want the dakine harness, I'd say call them and ask them which they would recommend for which size. Its probably the best and safest way to do it.

Or, if you want something with more structure than the Ozone, just buy a Mystic than comes with the proper spreader bar. Riders on our beach refer to Dakines as "watered down Mystics", which is probably too harsh, but they do vote with their wallets (and no they did not buy from me).

I vote with my wallet too, and I always choose Dakine. Why? They are a great company that sponsors kite events. When we hosted a Kite Girl Clinic here in MN they sent demo harnesses for the girls to use and donated lots of gloves and hats for door prizes at our event. If you check out the sponsors on all the upcoming snowkiting events, I bet their name is on there somewhere. Any company that gives back to the community earns my money and I encourage others to check out their products as well to ensure they can continue to give support.