lol... everytime someone says you cant fly a depower on a bug... angus has to jump in and set the record straight

and everytime... its that "silly European prejudice towards kites with 4-line handles for kite buggying"

lol sorry i just gotta laugh a little

With some open running room, I'd rather buggy with my Montana V or my Phantom. I set my current personal best in the buggy with the Montana IV. Close things in where I need to move the kite around quickly and I'll get out a FB. Each has its place.

Here here to the switching parts around on Peter Lynn and Flexi buggies. I like the slightly wider axle (than the PL wide axle) that used to come on the Flexis. I made it mine that way. I just ordered the small forks so I have a narrow footpeg position for some hopefully high speeds on the slick barrows at Nabx.

So does that mean that most depowerables are geared towards more substantial lift as opposed to pull???

Fair and good question and I'm sure others will expand more here.

De-powers are intended to be able to produce lift, but because they have a trim strap (gearbox) and bar (throttle) they can be turned down in the lift and focus more on the pull. So arguably they are underutilized in a buggy and I bet that's what Krohn was referring to.

Bobby has it right inasmuch as the FB kites are better when you are on a beach that is a football filed wide and miles long but the wind is cross-shore forcing you to work short tacks. But when I have a beam reach and can cruise with a park-and-ride, I like the stability and gust munching of a de-power. Then I can tune the kite to break the back wheels loose only when the bar pressure mounts, and use the other hand to reach for water, beer, camera, check stocks or maybe take a customer service call from a customer.

I had a nice session last Saturday on Jekyll island with the first on-shore winds in two months (fricking El Nino). Parked the Synergy 15m off my shoulder in 8-10 mph winds. Nice to be able to stretch back with both hands behind my head and then wave at the passers-by. Forgot the beer though, darn.

so does that mean that depowers as a type are typically geared more towards lift...or is that still tied primarily to aspect ratio??

I gotta quibble with any presumption that depowerable kites are 'built more toward lift' than a fixed bridle kite. Depowerable kites have ways to vary angle of attack, camber, and sometimes even projected area (which changes their aspect ratio) with respect to the apparent wind

Fixed bridles don't allow the user to vary those parameters, other than to pull down the trailing edge. Do that a little and it will increase lift (while increasing drag). Do it a little more and eventually the kite will stall and all you do is add drag.

Either type of kite can be designed as a high aspect ratio, very high lift-to drag machine. Or it can be a low aspect ratio, lower lift-to-drag machine. Lower aspect ratio and thicker foil sections generally mean a wing will fly to higher angle of attack before stalling, if other design parmameters are held constant.

Compare a PKD Brooza to a Combat, an Ozone Flow to a Yakuza, an Ozone Access to a Manta, or an older PL Bomba to a Phanny or F-Arc. Or if you use LEI's, maybe Cabrinha Convert to an XBow. You've got the performance gamut covered, depowerable or fixed bridle.

krumly

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Originally posted by Drewculous lol... everytime someone says you cant fly a depower on a bug... angus has to jump in and set the record straight and everytime... its that "silly European prejudice towards kites with 4-line handles for kite buggying" lol sorry i just gotta laugh a little

First off, The US-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-er use Depower in Buggys alot.
Second, The last time I looked in my passport it said
"Issued in Nebraska" (so much for European prejudice)
but you are correct in "Mainland" Europe it is more popular to use FB in buggys than Depower


I never said you can't use Depowers in a buggy I said it is not my thing. If your a freestyler (which I'm not) they are the best thing to have.

As far as Kites with Lift. I said

"I think that kites that can generate huge amounts of lift don't belong in buggys, but that is just my opinion."

I am talking about any kite with large amounts of lift. Of course you can set up a FB to have lots of lift (see PL twister) but IN MY OPINON these kites are not very usable in Buggys (unless you want to freestyle)

Of course you can buy diffrent parts for PL and Flexi but there are very little options. Axle length is max 120cm (If I remember right) If you want to extend your side rails you have to buy new ones. Big foot light is possible but not Cad Kat

With libre you can buy extensions in diffrent lengths so you can set your buggy up for you. Axle length is possible up to 160cm. Front forks are avialable for all wheel configurations including Spoked wheels (like the ones from Ozzy). Side rail heigth is set up that you have much more hold and can deal with side load much better.

If we start to look at the stablilit of the diffrent buggys you will notice that there is much less flex in a V-max wich in turn give you more stability. A V-Max also has its limit but it takes good skills t bring it to its limit.

If you want to freestyle then you are better off with a Flexi or a PL, but if you are going for speed you will limit out with a PL or Flexi sooner as with a V-max.

So let the discussion begin.:singing: (or should we start a new thread about the buggys?)

youre from nebraska? lmao! nice! anyway....

the only reason i left that was because i looked into getting a neo or montana from angus, but noticed on their site they didnt list it as a buggy engine.... anyway, angus and i talked... he used that same phase and it stuck with me and i thought it was kinda funny.... then i see it on his site... then here... i just gotta laugh... sorry kinda off topic here...

as far as lifty kites and buggies/ depowers and buggies... i think the big drawback to depowers on bugs is not the lift factor.... SEE ANY FLEXI VID---LOTS OF BUGGY JUMPIN W/ BLADES--- its the fact you have more "stuff" hangin off of you... in a bug you are sitting in basically an enclosed chair... with a harness, bar, leashes, donkey d****, all this stuff in front of you, then you gotta turn and fly out the side.... i can see it being more cramped then if you are standing on a board... facing your kite... with all the extra gear out in front of you...

all personal preference if you ask me... i was told not to static jump... i do anyway lol

if a depower feels right to you in a bug... why not? if a FB is easier on a board... which it is sometimes... why not?

its all just grabbing the wind for our enjoyment... whichever method gets ya going go for it, try it out first if you can, if not look at where you want to end up... freestyle/cruise/:puzzled: ... just start slow in managable winds and it should end well

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Originally posted by Drewculous youre from nebraska? lmao! nice! anyway....

No Minnesota, but because I have my Passports renewed though the Consulate in Frankfurt I get the passport from where ever they decide to have it made.

and they landed on Nebraska? odd...
lol