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hi all
could any body tell me,if i can use the bar and lines off my axcess2,on a flow i am going too buy.also i have a ozone bar not the turbo one the one with the pully on the front lines try too use it on the crossfire 1 i have and the kite would not take off,pulled the front lines to lanch the kite but kite kept falling back,when did get kite in the air there was no steering,so moved the lines up along diffirent knots dat are on each of the back lines but no joy kite kept falling backwards when line were tight and no steering when moved lines too far down back line is this bar no good for the crossfire?
good winds
glen

Short answer is no.

The Axcess bar is for a depower kite and the Flow is a fixed-bridle.
The Ozone bar? Is it there FB version or another depower bar?

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Originally posted by Scoopy HERE Control Gear There are only about 3 types of kite control. Handles, Bar and de-power. We will go over all three and their advantages/disadvantages. Handles- Handles offer the most control out of all the control methods. With handles, you have independent control of each four lines. You can pull just one line without adjusting the other three. This enables you to turn your kite with using only a push/pull turn like a 2 line kite, a turn with only the brakes, or a turn with using a pull and a brake all at the same time. In addition, you can pull only the brakes, creasing the trailing edge of the kite. This most often will slow the kite down, stop the kite (killing the power) and then even put the kite into reverse. This is especially useful for landing the kite. Handles can be tied together with a strop line between them, then you can use them with a harness and transer the pull from your arms to your waist. The only realy downfall I can see to using handles would be that the kite is fixed power, and in the winter for snowkiting, you have to have a very strong grip on the handles, making control a bit more difficult and making your hands cold faster. The only safety system I know of for handles is kite killers. These are wrist straps that attach with a small bungee to the brake lines. If you get into trouble, you can let go of the handles and the kite will crumble up and fall out of the sky losing all pull. Fixed Bridle Bar- There are 3 different ways to set up your bar. You can set it up with only the 2 lines. The power lines only are connected to the ends of the bar. The brake lines are not used. Basically as a 2 line kite. You lose the ability to stall and backup the kite. Making landing only by taking the kite out to the edge of the window and crashing it to the ground. Launching may be done from the edge of the window as well. This method is mainly used by kite-surfers using fixed line foils to surf with. There is no safety, only letting go completely will get you away from the kite. This poses the problem of the bar/lines getting wrapped/tangled around someone/something that it shouldnt and the kite powering up again. This system is not recommended. Next is almost the same thing, you attach the brake lines to the ends of the bars ,and the power lines to the center of the bar. This system has about the same limitations as the 2 line bar. There is still no safety. The main difference is how the kite will handle. Turning on brakes versus turning on power lines. The next system attaches the brakes to the center of the bar and the power lines to the outer tips. This has similar flying characteristics as the 2 line bar, but you can reach out and grab the brake lines (wear gloves). Then you can stall and land the kite. You can also keep the kite on the ground by staking the brake lines. Reverse launching is also available. There is a safety option in this.. You can attach a leash to the brake lines out in front of the bar, and when you let go, the brakes will be activated and collapse the kite. If you must fly a fixed power kite on this system this is recommended. De-Power Bar- This system requires a harness to work properly. You must have the kite attached, and have the ability to slide the bar back and forth. A de-powerable kite changes power by changing the angle of attack. Quick lesson on AoA (you guessed it, Angle of Attack). The AoA affects speed and power of a kite. The steeper the AoA, the top of the kite if farther away and the bottom of the kite is closer to you. This makes the AoA steep. A shallow AoA puts both top and bottom of the kite more equal distance from the kite flyer. The steeper the AoA, the slower the kite flys, and it produces more power. The more shallow, the faster the kite is and it makes less power. By adjusting the angle of the kite, you can adjust the power of the kite. When you pull the bar in, it steepens the AoA, slows down the kite, and makes the power greater. These kites can be reverse launched. They also have an adjustment strap in which you can change the amount of angle you can get with the bar. These kites are preferred for kitesurfing, landboarding, and snowkiting. the safety on these kites is built into the de-power system. There is normally a release of some sort on the bar system that when activated, will collapse the kite get you out of trouble.

The Ozone bar you are referring to will work on both the Flow and the Crossfire. The Access bar "could" work but you would have to do a ton of tweaking on it and basically make it a fixed bridle bar.

One problem you may be having is that when you connect a Fixed Bridle kite onto the bar, you will hook it up BACKWARDS from a normal depowerable foil - meaning that the BRAKE lines go to the CENTER of the bar, the main flying lines go to the OUTSIDE of the bar.

If the kite is stalling and not climbing to zenith or falling back onto the ground, your brake lines are to tight. You will either need to lengthen the leader lines on the brake lines or shorten the main flying lines. Do this by adjusting your connection points on your leaders, not by altering your flying lines.

Fix those things and your Ozone bar should work perfectly for you.

Hope that helps.