I was wonder what kites out there are great for buggying

right now i use a 5m hq scout but it is not very good for going upwind

i am trying to save some money and go with an older kite

Any ideas?

take a look at the link

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=14540

Ozone Yakuzas these are one of the top kites for buggy users for speed. they really do pack a punch and just keep pulling and are stable kites and easy to fly. they also have a large flying window, you can fly and produce enough power right close to the edge of the window to keep you moving. check them out for yourself.........
hope this helps

inland-
my HQ Beamer III 3m never disapoints. i lent out my beamer and if it comes back trashed i will upgrade to a Beamer 4.
my brother uses a set of Ozone Razors ( pre Yakuza and then Yakuza GT) that fly well enough considering they are "Race" kites.

Older kite to look for:

Peter Lynn - Reactor
Flexifoil - Bullet , Rage
HQ - Beamer
Ozone - Samuri , Riot

Those are all 4 line fixed bridle

If you like a bar:

Peter Lynn - Venom
HQ- Apex
Ozone - Access
Flysurfer Pulse

JOJO instinct is a great kite for up wind and easy to fly.
Reators are also a nice kite.

I second Brian's comment; JOJO ET Insincts are super stable, excellent all-around kites.

shortlineflyer- shoot me a U2U if you are interested in Reactors. I have a 2.9, 4.9, and an 8.3 I would like to sell as a set. Would make a great quiver for winds from 5-20. I just haven't got around to posting in the for sale section yet.

I love my beamer series kites especially my 5m by HQ, but I also have a blast with my Flexi bullet 3.5 when the winds are kickn'! It has great up wind power! Trying out the 8m Neo 2 now I have seen them in action and can really get you going!

I'll always have a beamer I guess. I have 2 right now and they are never scary. I also like PL Vipers and Reactors of any flavor. The reactor IIs are more performance but no problem with some minor kite skills.

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Originally posted by shortlineflyer I was wonder what kites out there are great for buggying right now i use a 5m hq scout but it is not very good for going upwind i am trying to save some money and go with an older kite Any ideas?

to avoid a depower (bar) vs fb (handle) debate ... most buggiers tend to go with FB because you have a little more control using the brake line tension and you can position your kite a little better.

when you say it doesnt go upwind very well, are you having too much side pull and your fighting that than gaining forward speed. if you have a lot of rear drift in the buggy?
all kites have some degree of upwind ability, some more than others based on AR and Kite Design. something like a higher AR will be easier to go upwind as it sits further to the outside of the wind window.
kite placement also plays a factor as well when going upwind. its not like you just park the kite and it screams upwind, there is a bit of skill involved.

how far does your kite sit when you're driving at speed? if you look is it right at the same angle off to the side? maybe try reducing the back line tension and let it loose a bit. rear tension equals drag but has more pull, but moving at speed you need more kite speed to that of the kitebuggy speed.

are you wanting another 5m? any specific windrange you're after? are you still wanting a bar system?

i suggest that you try different kites locally and see what works and what does for you.

I use handles with the scout 5m.
The problem with the scout 5m is that there if almost no power when i try to fly upwind and put the kite at one side of the wind window

I am looking for something that can fly in low wind.
and i also prefer a fixed bridle on handles

maybe 5-15mph wind range

When people say I shot upwind they rarely mean they can travel straight upwind. Are you gaining / able to start + return to the same spot?

Like Ripsession said getting upwind is part kite and part control.

5 - 15mph with one fixed bridle kite takes even more skill. That 5m Scout should fit that wind , not bad?

I am not sure how the bridle is set up on the Scout but an option for you may be to add an AOA adjuster kit ? Flexifoil makes one and I think Angus carries them ? I good buggy engine is one with low lift. I'm have only flown a 5m Scout shortly on a bar. Being a trainer it should be low lift and useful on handles?

i am unable to return to the same spot but the wind is witting the beach diagonally

A 5 meter will not do it in 5 mph... I can just get a ride with my 8.3 Reactor @ 5.

You do need to be fairly powered up for any kite to go upwind well.

Ron

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i am unable to return to the same spot but the wind is witting the beach diagonally

Some of that may be that yo are going downwind too much in the first place.

Try to aim your ride so you are close to 90 degrees to the wind and then see if you can go back to the same spot.

Once you can do that, just aim a little more into the wind and see how it goes.

Evans how much do you want for your 8.3 Reactor?

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Originally posted by vwbrian Evans how much do you want for your 8.3 Reactor?

Buy my 7.8m vapor, please. ; )
See you soon at a wash., event.

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Originally posted by RonH A 5 meter will not do it in 5 mph... I can just get a ride with my 8.3 Reactor @ 5. You do need to be fairly powered up for any kite to go upwind well. Ron

OOPS! Ron is right of course about the 5mph and a 5m. I was stuck on the 15mph part and think that is about the top end ? Not sure if the 8.3 fits the top end of 15 ?? Close ?? The Scout will fly in 5mph wind but generating enough power to get upwind is a clear challenge.

Here you go !

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=14567

I had this identical kite and LOVED it ! 5 is still pushing it but this will be pulling at 7 !

Peter Lynn Viper, proper buggy kite at a good price.

I have to say that the Brooza or the Century is a great buggy engine for the price, not to well known in the US.
There are some new and used for sale if you are interested.

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Evans how much do you want for your 8.3 Reactor?

I have a sale pending on the set of reactors. I'll let you know if something doesn't happen. I do hope to sell them at as a set.

Am a Bullet fan, a bit older than the rest, but good buggy engines non the less.

Have had sessions using Bullets 1.5, 2.5 and 4.5, have found them easy to handle fly well and go like a scalded cat in a good blow.

And another point is you can still get good quality kites for a good price, just have to look about a little.

I'll second Bigkid on PKD Brooza's for the buggy, especially if you have lumpy inland winds.

Actually, I'm getting pretty fond of the C-Quads now...

krumly

Nasa wings are great kites for flying inland where the wind can be gusty and unlike smooth winds on the coast.

Susan (npw goddess)