I am new to the sport as well and started out with a 3m Scout II and a 2m Flow with the bar. Scout was great for learning (which I am still very much doing) and with the crossover bar, it turns quite well and is very responsive. However, on those heavier wind days, the 2m Flow is so smooth and fast as Maven mentions above, I just had to go out and get the 3m Flow with the Turbo Bar and now my 3m Scout is for sale to help pay for the damage.

Love em both but the Flow, especially with the turbo bar - which you need a harness for so perhaps not recommended yet - seems like a higher performance kite. FWIW, I may just keep the Scout if it does not sell soon as I would not want any friends dive bombing my new Flow!

Long and short story? Flows rock.

Maven, I am becoming an Ozone convert - if only they made a 5m Access I would be creeping up on your quiver! Thinking about going to Wildwood if I can convince the soon-to-be-hubby - hope to be able to chat it up there as all my recent purchases make me quite committed to the sport

I would also recommend the 2m Flow instead of the 2.5 Quattro. The Flow is a much better performing kite than the Quattro is and has upgraded lines over the Quattro. The person you are talking to is right that the 2.5 is going to be very close to your 3.0 as far as power and winds that you will be flying them in. But if you want to fly together with your son, this is a good thing. If you are wanting to build a kite quiver that will allow you to fly in different wind conditions then I to would suggest the 2m / 4m combo or even the 3m / 5m combo. Having these two sizes will open up more days that you can fly. If the winds are light you can fly the larger size, if the winds are stronger you can fly the smaller size. By having a 2.5 and a 3.0, if the winds are below 8 mph it will be a bit of work putting either one in the air where a 4 or 5 meter would go up no problem and still be fun to fly.

Kite size really depends on what you plan on doing with your son. If you both want to share a kite then get a 2m and 4m Flow. If you both want to fly at the same time then get the 2.5 Quattro and the 3m Flow (or just get two 3m Flows).

Dirtslide's 3.5m Butan would fit the bill on price. It is kite only, but that means it meets the weight restriction on parcels be shipped through the post. A used great kite is a way better buy than a new or used beginner kite. Your learning curve will be steeper with this kite compared to a Beamer etc, but it will be way more fun once you learn.
Learn to fly it in light winds.
If the price of lines and handles does not blow your budget, this would be a great kite to start your quiver.
S

Anyone have any opinion on a 3.5m Rage against 3m or 4m Ozon Flow?

I have heard that the Flow has more lift than the rage and at the price is much better value for money. I also think the Blurr is not the best option for me (Adult 13 stone) to start power kiting with as a first timer!)

Does anyone out there have an opinions on both points? I am more interested in feedback re the Rage v Flow and sizes, bearing in mind I am also buying a 2m Flow, 2.5 IMP Quattro or 2.4 Sting for my son.

I look forward to your honest replies.

tl;dr and don't see no keewee in here so ...

Don't #@%$#! around on a first kite - get something with good pull that you can learn to fly the tits off and what wind will spank you and use it later as a traction device .... don't piss about trying to jump on it - you'll #@%$#! yourself up and annoy us and of the two, our wrath is worse.

When you are Mr. Psychic Kite Flier Guy, buy a monster and go jumping. I has spoken :ticking:

Kami makes solid points.............ANY kite can spank you in the right conditions.......................


you have two options, supercharged kite (pull with lift) or buy a beginner rig (little lift but pulls)......................know your limits and fly within the given specs of the manufacturer.................welcome and good luck.......

2 meter Flow for the son, 4 meter Flow for yourself. Nice gap between the kite sizes will allow your son to fly the 4 meter when there isn't enough wind for is 2 meter and allow you to fly the 2 meter when there's too much wind for the 4 meter. From what I've gathered the Flow/Beamer/Hornet/Rage all have similar characteristics and are great kites to start on and will still have their uses when you get more experience. It's just a matter of what manufacture you like Ozone, HQ, Peter Lynn, or Flexifoil. All great picks in my opinion.

There's not a huge difference between the Flow/Hornet/Beamer (haven't flown the Rage). They are all low lift, stable, friendly kites that you can static fly and buggy with. They are close enough in performance that you could buy on price/appearance. We have a 10 year old (and he's not a big lad) in our club that landboards with a 3m flow very well. If you're only going to static fly them - a 2m and 3m would be fine. If you're going to landboard or buggy then make it a 3m and 4m. You can always add a bigger & smaller kite to your quiver as you get to know what wind you can & can't fly in. You will notice that 'we' usually have more than 2 kites :tumble: