What is the difference between a 1200 or 1600 Arc to a 1200 or 1600 F-Arc???

i think they are the same but Peter Lynn "himself" is sleeping right now.

Was there a 1600 F-Arc? or was it a 1500

edit-did a quick search and yes it was a 1600 - old youtube video from a guy selling one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPMZmSpog-E

From what I recall it was the original Arc (S Arc)
460
630
840
1120
1510

The training Arc T-Arc

The high aspect F-Arc
1600
1200
900 or was it 950 (edit-did a search and I think maybe I saw a prototype on this size once when I used to hang out at Active People, 1600 and 1200 are the sizes listed for sale on most sites)

and the Hi Arc
a friend has the Hi-6 - (never could get it to fly - whole other story, I'd so love to do some work on that kite one day)

...then the Guerilla/Gorilla....etc

Mark

We were actually cutting down the 1200's and making them 900s, there was never an official release of the 900 from Peter Lynn. The only sizes were the 1200 and the 1600. The other thing we use to do was to cut out the solid material in the wing tips to eliminate the obnoxious flapping noise these kites made. Some said it improved performance by speeding the kite up but this was never really proven in side by side comparisons.

All of the kites labeled 1200 or 1600 should be F-Arcs. These were the only models to be listed at that size. As mentioned above, the S-Arcs (actually just called Arc's, the S was added to refer to the standard model) -comparable sizes were listed as 1120 and 1510. The Gorilla's were the next model released and those were listed as 9m, 10m, 13m etc...

The F-Arc model was the highest aspect ratio Arc ever produced AFAIK.

Markite -

HiArc 6M is a tough one to launch. Took me several hours to get it figured out, and was finally successful in steady wind, with a helper. Thin section, a lot of kite and leading edge ahead of the front strap, and short tip chords mean really twitchy to get up. Pumping it up TIGHT helps. Once I got it launched, it flew wicked fast, pulled hard, and was very stable. Unfortunately I didn't have a buggy with me, 'cuz I'm betting it would make a nice engine. I'm working on mods to it now to see if I can get it to work better singlehanded. More on that if and when it works.

FArc 1200 must have an aspect ratio of 7 or so. It's one long, skinny kite, with leading and trailing edges about parallel. Didin't find it so hard to launch - though the hi aspect makes it want to bowtie, that was countered by a pretty thick profile compared to the HiArc, so it at least has some internal rigidity.

krumly

don't want to side track the arc history but it is still fitting in the history part of it on the hi-arc.
We did everything with this kite - it just struggled to pre-inflate very much even trying to inflate it with really good ground wind. Getting maybe 70% inflation by pushing and rolling the air to outer cells it would collapse and bowtie and wouldn't go up with partial inflation like the other arcs we had. So, we got out the blower and preinflated. Took off like a rocket but would shoot to the edge of the window and leading edge over and collapse, every time and loose air - then right back to start the whole thing over. There were a group of about 6 of us all experienced arc fliers working on trying to get some time in on this kite and I think I got it to do about 2 figure 8's once and that was about it after a lot of days on this kite so the guy that bought it tucked it away. I've been thinking of taking some of the newer direction on structure and webbing and doing some tweaks on the kite to give it another go if I can talk the owner into getting out out of the archives.
Mark

"Jeanne d'Arc" redirects here. For other uses, see Jeanne d'Arc (disambiguation).

Saint Joan of Arc

Painting, ca. 1485. An artist's interpretation, since the only portrait for which she is known to have sat has not survived. (Centre Historique des Archives Nationales, Paris, AE II 2490)
Saint
Born ca. 1412
Domrémy, France
Died 30 May 1431 (aged 19)
Rouen, France (Then controlled by England)
Venerated in Roman Catholic Church
Anglican Communion
Beatified April 18, 1909, Notre Dame de Paris by Pope Pius X
Canonized May 16, 1920, St. Peter's Basilica, Rome by Pope Benedict XV
Feast May 30
Patronage France ; martyrs; captives; military personnel; people ridiculed for their piety; prisoners; soldiers, women who have served in the WAVES (Women Appointed for Voluntary Emergency Service); and Women's Army Corps
Saint Joan of Arc or The Maid of Orléans (French: Jeanne d'Arc,[1] IPA: [ʒan daʁk]; ca. 1412[2] – 30 May 1431) is considered a national heroine of France and a Catholic saint. A peasant girl born in eastern France who claimed Divine guidance, she led the French army to several important victories during the Hundred Years' War which paved the way for the coronation of Charles VII. She was captured by the Burgundians, sold to the English, tried by an ecclesiastical court, and burned at the stake when she was nineteen years old.[3] Twenty-five years after the execution, Pope Callixtus III examined the trial, pronounced her innocent and declared her a martyr.[3] She was beatified in 1909 and canonized in 1920.[2] She is, along with St. Denis, St. Martin of Tours, St. Louis IX, and St. Theresa of Lisieux, one of the patron saints of France.
Joan asserted that she had visions from God which instructed her to recover her homeland from English domination late in the Hundred Years' War. The uncrowned King Charles VII sent her to the siege of Orléans as part of a relief mission. She gained prominence when she overcame the dismissive attitude of veteran commanders and lifted the siege in only nine days. Several more swift victories led to Charles VII's coronation at Reims and settled the disputed succession to the throne.
Down to the present day, Joan of Arc has remained a significant figure in Western culture. From Napoleon onward, French politicians of all leanings have invoked her memory. Famous writers and composers who have created works about her include: Shakespeare (Henry VI, Part 1), Voltaire (La Pucelle d'Orléans), Schiller (Die Jungfrau von Orléans ), Verdi (Giovanna d'Arco), Tchaikovsky (Орлеанская дева, Mark Twain (Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc), Jean Anouilh (L'Alouette), Bertolt Brecht (Die heilige Johanna der Schlachthöfe), George Bernard Shaw (Saint Joan), and Maxwell Anderson (Joan of Lorraine). Depictions of her continue in film, theater, television, video games, music, and performance.

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Have Fun :wee:

So are you saying the first Arc was even earlier?
Flown by a guy named Noah?

I wanna see this Hi Arc thing!

It was almost like this one particular one couldn't inflate and hold air - gotta get my hands on it. here is a link to an info page on it from the time:

http://www.powerkiteshop.com/images/media/manuals/peterlynnh...


Quoted from another product page - (we found it the exact opposite to the description)

"The Hi Arc has great upwind performance which allows the buggy rider to get back fast and easy. The kite has a very 'light' feel because the kite does not have so much sideforce. This makes the ride faster and a lot more comfortable. The Hi-Arc is also luff resistent and does not collapse when flying too far over the rider's head; instead it slowly falls back into the window."