This was A day A the Dutch coast last weekend
http://www.vliegerforum.nl/index.php?showtopic=45411&hl=

Have Fun
Ruudje

Wipe-out:wow:

Great shots of some big time air for one of those buggies! Shame it got twisted in the process.

Buggy jumping with full race buggies = respect.

Can't wait for the Xxtreme freestyle buggy at NABX.

Why thanks for the respect Ricardo, as you know we have been jumping Libre Hardcore bigfoot suspension front fork buggies for quite a few years without the carnage. Bison is a heavy hitter and if he can't break it then I doubt if very few other could.
Can't wait to see freestyle on concrete (Ivanpah), hospital is not that far away and there is a welder on site now. :frog::duh::wee::evil::P:saint:

Are those Libres hundred pound plus buggies? They look not quite as heavy duty as the buggies usually seen in major races. No offense meant either. LIbre obviously makes one of the finest buggies that probably appeal to a different market niche than someone interested in an Apexx or Tornado for instance. Correct me if my impressions are off base.

here is the new Libre buggy coming out

http://www.vliegerforum.nl/index.php?showtopic=45397

The front wheel came off because the front buggy flipped over while doing a tandem run and the back buggy stayed up right !

Have Fun
Ruudje

Damn! you had me excited there Ruudje!!

Nice jumps those, jumped a race buggy once and its no easy task!

That "new libre buggy" is hilarious....

The new Libre looks set up for the Power Rangers!! :ticking:
Blue Ranger GOOOOOO!!

BeamerBob "Are those Libres hundred pound plus buggies? They look not quite as heavy duty as the buggies usually seen in major races. No offense meant either. LIbre obviously makes one of the finest buggies that probably appeal to a different market niche than someone interested in an Apexx or Tornado for instance. Correct me if my impressions are off base."

Nice picture of an old Full Race with some weird mods.

2.6 Buggy Weight [4]
The maximum weight of the parakart is 60 kg (132 lbs) in any combination which may include a maximum
of 5 kg (11lbs) of weight.

The Libre Hardcore Bigfoot suspension fork buggy weights in around 85 lbs. Has better strength with large frame tubes, axle and forks, and by using a high grade steel that is zinc plated then powder coated. Also the Hardcore frame has been widened at the axle area to make a very stiff platform along with a cross member. The other trick is we order the Hardcore XS in size then lower the seat between the rails for the best fitting seat to date.
Stainless is flexible and could allow the fork and frame to twist on the custom built buggies or they increase the wall thickness to compensate, therefore you get a 100lb or more buggy.
From what I see in Europe there is a lot of sponsorship for paid guns to fly and ride equipment that has been custom fit to them. This is a good thing for racing for sure but when you go to sell your custom fit buggy look for a guy your size.
With the Libre I can size each buggier to the correct fit with seat, pegs, rail width and balance adjustments with stock Libre parts and they can still sell the buggy to other size buggiers. I did have one person needing parts as a car rear ended into their buggy rack and buggy and with parts in stock they were back on the beach that summer.
My response to what is used in Europe is; come to our beaches with dunes, pot holes, half submerged logs, crab holes, sand castles, and see which is a better buggy for our beaches. As far as racing goes it takes big balls and so far only a few in the states have them.
Ok I am ready flick the #@%$#!e back at me.
:D
Picture below is from Euro racing.

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Originally posted by jellis Ok I am ready flick the #@%$#!e back at me. .

hehehe you funny!!!

europe and north america are like two different planets.

xxtreme / libre / tornado / sysmic / etc etc all make good buggies and each to their own for coming up with new ideas and designs. this keeps the future going.

im just curious why all the different mods for the Hardcore when you can easily buy a Pro-zask or Dragster?

xxtreme's designs have changed very little and its works why fix it. its not that custom, and the only people i know that sell their buggies is to move from the XXracer to the Ape-sexx.

i dont care what buggy you drive; just drive it like you stolen - it's what I believe in. we dont have racing here YET, so go for comfort or makes you feel safe and makes you believe you can break the speed record (its a mind game and big ballz + 1 brain cell).

any buggy will break, when you're at NABX ask Arie to show you his buggy damage, HE BREAKS EVERYTHING. :saint:

The Ivanpah weighs in at 98lbs fully loaded for the Stainless Steel version, 83lbs for the steel version. Difference in weight is the chrome molly used in the steel version which is lighter. All steel thickness's and dimensions are the same in both versions.

The only Ivanpah that has ever sustained any type of damage (to date) is one that had a manufacturing defect (unauthorized modification) by an employee that is no longer building the buggies. I doubt even Arie could break one of the Ivanpah's short of running it over with a cement truck. If he ever did happen to damage one, no problem....all Ivanpah's come with a 5 year warranty - even xxtreme doesn't guarantee their buggies this well.

so much for thread hijacking..... my apologies to the OP.

woow, nice,. uuuh it's better to "buull#@%$#! over buggy's "then to "buggy over buull#@%$#!"

I hope you are holding up your arm to save your watch---the buullshhiitt is geting pretty deep..... :wee::wee::bouncy:

The Hardcore frame came to be around 2000 then the Dragster uses it, and the design is tried and tested by now. The Hardcore comes with a Full Race style seat that has better adjustments to build that pocket so it fits like a glove. Rail setup uses the XS size to allow you a very deep seat with a bump out at the leg area and wiggle room by your side under your arm pits. The Hardcore uses the peg setup from the Full Race so 360 degrees of adjustment is possible. The suspension fork setup came to life when attached to a stem KBSS produces. Buggiers that know what they are doing recognize the Hardcores attributes and you sure don't see many used KBSS Hardcore Bigfoot suspension buggies for sale.

In the US we run over crap not bull#@%$#!e.
When you live in #@%$#!e then keep your Timex out of it for sure. :wee:
Way to go Kent you tell them, and by the way quit putting quarters in the frame for weight. LOL
OK let if fly or roll over and die.

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Originally posted by jellis Way to go Kent you tell them, and by the way quit putting quarters in the frame for weight. LOL

Now that's funny right there!

Did I mention a lot better control with front suspension over a ridged fork.

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Originally posted by jellis Did I mention a lot better control with front suspension over a ridged fork.

Hmmm Yes you did .... BUT.... nope not :shocked2:
Suspension give maybe A bit more comfort but more control.... nope :puzzled:
In Europe you don't find suspension front fork in racing very often . The complete suspension buggy ( front and rear ) Ar almost extinguished . Most race buggys Ar Ridged buggys .
Control in your buggy you can get by balancing the buggy , experiment whit the tire press. and using the right kite for the moment .
I must say it looks nice but if you need control go for ridged
Just my 2 cents

Have Fun
Ruudje

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Originally posted by Ruudje Suspension give maybe A bit more comfort but more control.... nope :puzzled: In Europe you don't find suspension front fork in racing very often . The complete suspension buggy ( front and rear ) Ar almost extinguished . Most race buggyies Ar Ridged buggyies .

I can see where a suspension front fork (SFF) would be of less use, possibly hampering, based on the types of beaches that are generally used for racing in Europe.

I was skeptical at first, just ask Jon. Once Jon was able to get the SFF properly setup, the difference was quite convincing. Riding hard in variable terrain requires a SFF to push the limit, and maintain control! Would I lose the SFF for static if racing in Europe, of course. Differing conditions require different equipment for best control.

The most popular beach that we use here in the Northwest US (Sunset) is quite different than the beaches in Europe. It is narrower and steeper. Since vehicles are allowed at any time on the beach many times during high tide the softer sand will develop rather deep ruts from 4 wheel drives and others. These can be murder on a North or Northwest wind, since buggy travel is generally perpendicular to the ruts. Not to mention dune riding.

SFFs make these situations easier to handle and give quite a bit of control verses the static front fork. In addition I can add pressure to all tires which increases upwind performance considerably when using big foot tires. Of course this requires a proper balance of tire pressure and suspension tension.

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Originally posted by RuudjeControl in your buggy you can get by balancing the buggy , experiment whit the tire press. and using the right kite for the moment.

Agreed. The one piece of the equation you left out is beach conditions/terrain, etc... If you ever do come to Sunset, try out a SFF on that beach, you will be convinced that for our situation and conditions it does perform much better. I was VERY resistant to the new forks in the beginning, not now.

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Originally posted by RuudjeI must say it looks nice but if you need control go for ridged Just my 2 cents

I couple of years ago I would have agreed with you whole heartedly. The key is in the setup. When improperly setup they are useless, when correct, control and other factors make it a "must have."

You Ar talking about just riding , I am talking about racing
Just imagine you come in fast 60km + have to break hard to make the turn in an aria where many people has bin before ( very rouged terrain ) and ones you turned the marker you have to accelerate as fast as you can .
Suspension absorb energy thats energy you only have so little of .

Just an other 2 cents

Have Fun
Ruudje

As long as you are holding up your arm to save your. Timex watch it take a lieking and keeps on ticking :wee::wee::bouncing:

Some one has not race vary much and some one has???

If I take the suspension off my car/vehicle I can go faster with better control ? In rough conditions with a front suspension the tire stays in contact with the ground a lot better than a ridged setup. Logically then it will have better control in rough conditions, and it does.
If I were to buggy in and area that was flat, with few moguls, holes, dunes, wash outs, crab holes, truck ruts, the pit the kids dug out, and bonfire pits then a non front suspension buggy would meet the needs.

Monty at least use a spell checker. lol If you want to race just let us know as we will be glad to teach you.

Did I say I like to race?? Jon I do not have to have a spell checker when do it for me!!

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Originally posted by jellis Monty at least use a spell checker. lol If you want to race just let us know as we will be glad to teach you.

between all of us and NAPKA, we can organize something for SOBB 2011. it will be fun. cant wait for the season to begin. whoop whoop kiteloop

Right on Ricardo, sounds like a fun summer and now that I am mechanically sound of body we can use the words of our long gone friend Kurt Anderson "If you are in front of me move over because I am coming through!"
Ruudje I understand where you are coming from about racing in Europe area, with large areas of fairly flat beaches with the opportunity to run great race courses, using short lines and up sizing to the max on the foils, and heavy pilots with heavy buggies. Yes that is a tacticians race with big balls.
I how ever would like to add to that equation by adding jumps, flat table top jumps, dune work, obstacles and more of an off road course. We have even talked about bringing a tractor to the beach to make an even more challenging off road course. Just different racing for different areas.
Sorry Monti your were right you did not say you wanted to race. We do enjoy the run down the beach with you though.