Hey, I already got a 5m^2 Ozone Flow, but unfortunately the winds around me are rarely strong enough for it to carry me on the board. Still it's quite nice if I have spare time and travel to other places.

Now, I got some spare money, and I'm looking for a second kite (de-power please). Which size would you recommend and which model? I like playing around, so I would like it to be a sort of all-rounder kite.

Also, I #@%$#!ed up the control bar on my kite a bit, so that I can no longer connect it to a harness (which reduces the amount I can countrol it considerably). So Ideally I thought I could get one crossbar for both kites (as long as the set-up time doesn't take too longer, I am patient though). Or alternatively, I get handles for my ozone and a cross-over bar for the new kite.

What are your thoughts?

Advice is much appreciated.

TL;DR:
Got:
- Ozone Flow 5m^2 with non-harnessable bar
- Landboard

Need
- All-rounder De-power kite (which size, which model?)
- Harness (all-round as well please)
- one crossbar for both kites, or handles for Flow, and Crossbar for the new kite. (crossbar should be able to use unharnessed as well)
- Perhaps new lines if the default ones of the kite are bad

Budget: About £1500-2000 Can go higher if it's really worth it.

Thanks in advance.

For starters, weclcome but take it easy on the language in the posts.

If you are looking at a true depowerable then the bar is not compatible with a fixed bridle kite so the cheapest option is to put the flow on handles or fix whatever you fouled up.

A 5m flow is probably similar in pull to a 10m depower so depending upon your weight and winds you are looking for a 12m foil or larger but that's a lot of kite and I prefer smaller, high aspect fixed bridle kites in lower winds then larger / heavier depowers.

Depowers can be flown unhooked but you can't depower them without being hooked in so a harness is essential and you don't fly a depower without one.

Go with a Dakine, mystic, liquid force harness. If you want to get into tricks, get a waist harness. If you want to cruise, go with a seat variety. I'd keep my eye out for a 12m depower. That's my go to kite, I use it from 8mph-25ish. (Obviously for the higher end you need a lot of experience). But yeah, a 12m should bring you up through the ranks quickly if you can handle it.

Thanks a lot guys!
Somebody actually offered me a Manta II 12m in 'excellent condition' from the reviews I read it seems like a real option. What do you think?

I want to do both, but probably more tricks, so I'd aim for a waist harness. However, is there something I have to keep an eye on when buying the harness so that I can use it on land, water, as well as snow?

I get your point B-Roc, I flew a 17m depowerable once, and it was quite a lot of kite, I think there can be all kinds of problems delaying the set-up process. But I heard they are more comfortable and all-rounder like than fixed bridle kites. Is that a myth? Even if that's true though, the fact that I can't fly them without a harness gives me second thoughts... would you suggest any particular fixed bridle kites?

If you are truly underpowered on your 5m then a 12 may be OK. 10m is usually the go to size for folks?

Ozone is great ! The Manta is a bit of an advanced kite with plenty of lift. Frenzy is more the all rounder and Access is the low lift version.

Depower bars and crossover bars are very different. Get handles for the Flow !!!!!

How did you damage the control bar? - aside from actually breaking the bar, it should be fixable whether it needs a new center line or a new quick release etc, those sort of things can be sorted without too much problem.

Actually, for a bit of a laugh - here's a vid of a turbo bar copy I made from some dowell and some nylon cord!!! Turbo bar mock up

The 5m Flow should already be a decent light wind kite so you would need a 10m + depower to get any benefit. The 12m Manta should be good choice - you may need to work it up and down a bit in the light winds but it will produce plenty of power and lift for tricks once you get it up to speed.

You could try the depower bar on the 5m Flow, but I would expect it will make the Flow turn too fast with lots of stalling. I tried it once with a 2m Beamer compared to a turbo bar - here's the results: depower bar shootout A 5m Flow should be less prone to stalling than the 2m Beamer, but you'll get the idea.

The 12.5m Montana V/VI could also fit the bill as would the Ozone Frenzy.

I just realised the Ozone frenzy, as well as manta II can't be used on water, so these are out of the option.

By the way, I can't find a single 2011 kite that's water re-launchable and is NOT depower. All new ones seem to be depower kites. So I guess there must be some amazing advantage about them?

I already ordered handles now for my flow with a strop. So that's sorted. (I literally cut off the connection to the harness and made some knots to fix it etc. it's not pretty sight.)

Ok, in terms of Harness, I'll keep an eye open for the brands named earlier.
But now I'm really puzzled about what kite to get. I know I want to go for LEI, the slow turning speed was quite annoing with the Flow, so a bow shaped LEI will be a good change. But it seems I have to go with depower as the fixed bridle kites seem to be dying.

You seem to be of two minds, fixated on fixed bridle but wanting to get on the water.... seems like time for two kites, one fixed bridle for land only and one LEI for anything.

If you want a water relaunchable FB kite I think you'll need a time machine or someone who has a deep closet, haven't seen a 'new' model of one of those since early 2000's, maybe 2003?

EDIT:
Quadrifoil Competition XXL for sale!
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=16783&p...

Actually....it looks like someone here might have just what you're looking for! Let's hear it for deep closets!