yes, i first thaught to buy the beamer 3 4.0 instead of th pansh legend4.5 but now i can get an ozone fury 4.5 for the same price as the beamer 4.0, so which one will i take?

ozone

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Honestly, u cant go wrong here

so you vote for the ozone?

which one creates the most lift?

I hadn't heard of the Fury until this post, so I googled it. It said the Fury is the little brother of the Samurai. Is this kite still in production? Great price for a new Ozone, but what year was this issued? Anyway, 4.5M is quite a bit of kite for a new flyer, so make sure you take it out in light wind at first, until you can control it well. Good luck with whichever you choose, and have fun/be safe.

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Originally posted by jimerke so you vote for the ozone? which one creates the most lift?

he means both are in the best(good/better/best) catagory for entry level/beginner kites by way of handling and quality materials/craftmanship.
i would guess both are medium AR thus neither are designed with lift (jumping?) in mind. for jumping go big.
the Beamer 3 is 2 models outdated but that's not saying the 3 is not a good kite( i've not seen/flown a 4 or 5) but i'd bet there are improvements in either/or/all catagories of handling, materials, craftmanship.
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for buggying purpose (not jumping)
my beamer 3 (3m) is my go to kite as the average winds here suited that 3m kite size most days. my next go to kite is a 12m Pulse 2.
Ozone is safest bet for top shelf products(today's HQ and Peter Lynn have arrived too) but I never seen/flown a Fury. I've flown Imp 3m, Little Devil 4.5m, Frenzy 7.3m/12m, Access 10m, and Razor(s) 3.5m, 4m, 5m,

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Originally posted by bobalooie57 I hadn't heard of the Fury until this post, so I googled it. It said the Fury is the little brother of the Samurai. Is this kite still in production? Great price for a new Ozone, but what year was this issued?

I think the production years were ~ 2005-06.

That branch of the family tree was:

Little Devil --> Fury --> Imp with some overlap in years in certain (smaller) sizes.

The OP didn't say whether the kites were NIB or not. If not, I would definitely try to get the seller to nail down a condition for them.

ATB,
Sam

he told me that he used the kite 2 times but he don't need it anymore because his wife bought him an ace (7m) because th kite wasn't big enough to lift him, his ace does that well enough

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Originally posted by jimerke he told me that he used the kite 2 times but he don't need it anymore because his wife bought him an ace (7m) because th kite wasn't big enough to lift him, his ace does that well enough

i will say this about Pansh's Aces (i have 6, 7, 8 meter Aces) is that they sure as heck can/will lift you but it takes a better than average flyer to turn/maneouver them quickly enough to stay safe (unhurt). i've found the bigger they are the slower and less maneouverable they become. foggy memory cuz i rarely use it but i think my 5m Sprint "a race bred kite" has hardly no better turning speed than Aces. i've heard the Ozone Yaks manouver well. this 'manouverablitity' is the difference between Aces and other comparable manufacture's alike offerings. a Peter Lynn Reactor (I or II) or Flexifoil Blurr will out turn an Ace easy. of course price is a factor too. i can and have turned the 8m Ace on it's wing tip but it's a slow turn at that.
a Pansh Legend is akin to a Beamer/Fury and the Legend flies easy and as expected as the Fury/Beamer but I will not say the quality is same. price point comes into play though too. i have not seen the newer models from Pansh.

i am still searching for a kite,... i found a peter lynn 5.5 for 150 euro's, but i don't now if its a good kite to start learning to fly with a four lines kite at low wind as uasual in belgium...

there are plenty of PL 4 line kite's but i'm thinking it's a Pepper (I or II) or a Twister which are both fine and dandy for low winds/beginner. in higher winds with right technique one could safely jump with a 5.5m.

okay, than ill go for the peter lynn if the lines and kite are okay...

thanx decision been made

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Originally posted by jimerke so you vote for the ozone? which one creates the most lift?

your thread has become annoying quite frankly and in the case of Nocando, insulting................are you serious about flying or just yanking chains? Youre a total newb and have not listened to any recommendations offered so flip a coin.....................

He's excited, probably just like you (tridude) once were. DON"T get you panties all bunched up! Adjust if needed!

If you don't have previous flying experience you are looking at the wrong size of kite.

You are facing the same problems all beginers have. A desire to go too big too fast. Worrying about jumping when you can't even fly.

If you get too big a kite you end up fighting it and just surviving . NOT learning and probably getting hurt. Don't go over 4m for your 1st kite and 3m is MUCH better. Get something like a Beamer that will serve as a good stable high wind kite down the road. If you find you want to move up and can't afford to keep your 3m a good one should resell easy.

Yep, stick with a 3m to learn on. If you try jumping with a smallish kite (3-5m) you are asking for trouble unless you know exactly what you're doing. And even then, plenty of experienced kiters have hurt themselves static jumping. Even a 4m kite will punish you hard unless you start slowly in light winds. My 3m flow will lift me (180lbs) but if I tried to go any higher than I'm willing to land unassisted, I would probably break an ankle. I kid you not.

Learn to fly the pants off a 2-3m kite, THEN you'll be in a much better place to think about a bigger kite for jumping. Better still, put some wheels under your feet - check out Spartan's jumping in the Kite Skating video in the relevant section. Now that's jumping.

i bought the kite, and i like to fly it, its smooth it turns well an i get good air... and i land soft... and yes i did had some kiting experience with a 1.4 kite....

greetz