I give up, I don't feel like arguing on the internet.
take the thread carl and gobble it into your good embraces.

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Originally posted by van Just in case anyone forgot , I did create a wiki for power kite. I haven't had anyone volunteer to post any knowledge to it yet. It's setup as a public wiki so anyone can contribute to it. Perhaps we can have a section on the wiki for video tutorials or reviews? I would be willing to work with anyone that has info or video that need a place to post it. How someone uses this information on the wiki will be up to them. There will be a disclaimer for all videos posted of course .. http://www.powerkitewiki.com

Cool. This looks like a good place to start.

word and deed... arriving D

this little vid was clipped out of a longer raw footage segment..water2land vid i think.

anyway, certainly not a framing champion but simple and realtime with voice over.

it is assumption of skills for an advanced flyer with judgement, rigging, kite handling knowledge and competence. but simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCD4a_3qgf8

pick a vid i have on youtube or vimeo . if you wish a voice over for realtime talk through ...just let me know. some of the older may not be doable but i can find an appropriate match for your needs.

not an ENTIRE frame work of well organized training tools, but there are a ton of amateur/ semi pro stuff out there, beyond my phun phactor vids, to entice the novice to progress.

van has the idea at hand. site is there!

CONTENT ! is all it needs. and as always misinformation control.

Dandre, must admit, at first I was a bit put off cause it sounded like you were giving guys a hard time for not having something like this up already. :puzzled: we all have time constraints and like kiting, not necessarily like video production.

I think it's a good idea. In my opinion, the idea is best suited to a paid site to continue to easily get prolonged interest in creating and submitting learning videos.

Would it fly for a non-paid site...no idea. The strikes against the idea on a free site has already been mentioned....guys have time constraints and not everybody that kites is into making videos. But, at least a version *could* exist in some form...doubt it would look like an 'open source kite school' though with tons of video lectures. But, it could still be a useful database of videos. Could create a video section with a good number of subsections, and see if people add links. Could make recommendations of 2-3min/video and only show one or 2 concepts per video to make it faster, easier, and simpler to produce so its not needlessly chewing guy's time. That way, if guys are shooting video of their session anyway, and they know it will only take 5-10 minutes to shoot a small learning video showing one thing (ie, getting going upwind), then, hey, it's not that big of a deal - 5 to 10 minutes and it's done. Then, they will probably be spending a bit of time putting their other footage together at home anyway, so take only a bit more time to edit that 5 minutes of learning footage, create some voice over if needed, and then the editing portion is just a small addition to what they are already doing already. And, hey, Phree is right, there is already tons of videos online that show concepts indirectly... but voice overs could be added to make them a learning video. And...there are a lot of learning videos as well, so the links could simply be posted. Actually, most of the 'library' could be filled that way with pre-existing footage. So, ya, it could be done, but expectations for growth should be slow with guys not really expecting committed members to submit more that a couple videos/month. Over time, a useful library could grow. Also, one person would have to be put in charge to come up with a suggested list of needed videos that is updated regularly. Otherwise, it's too wishy washy and guys wouldn't know what's needed. That's at least one way I could see it happening - the keys being reasonable expectations for members who are already busy 2) reasonable expectations for the videos themselves, simple and short being the key. Anything that expects much more I don't see flying, pardon the pun.

by the way, if you haven't gotten the progression videos, you should really get them...I haven't seen the entire thing, but what I have seen was really good.

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Originally posted by kitedelight Dandre, must admit, at first I was a bit put off cause it sounded like you were giving guys a hard time for not having something like this up already. :puzzled: we all have time constraints and like kiting, not necessarily like video production.

I'm not that kind of person. But you have to protect the integrity of an idea until it can stand on its own in the minds of others.

being attacked so early on could lead to a loss of a potentially valuable resource. I'm not trying to make enemies, I'm just thinking of the many kiters in the future who could be brought into our sport more efficiently, the people whom we could save money, injury, and frustrations.

I still have alot to think about on the subject before I have more valid structure to the idea. It would probably have to involve very solid persuasion and solicitation at first until momentum can build; and the idea can exponentially grow in the hands of others..

I like phrees idea of researching videos to be dubbed over. Sucdley set me an EXCELLENT video of Dirtslide cruising for 15min that just had AMAZING kite control. No crazy stuff, or tricks, just really inspiring control in light winds.

I don't buggy or fly FB anymore, but I can just imagine what dirtslide could do with that 15 minutes.

i just happen to stumble across this today while doing my daily search for golden nuggets of kite information http://kitesurfingschool.org/
only spent a few minutes looking at it before i remembered this thread. If this is what you are talking about dandre then i totally agree with points you make and would love to see more sites like this

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Originally posted by dsam i just happen to stumble across this today while doing my daily search for golden nuggets of kite information http://kitesurfingschool.org/ only spent a few minutes looking at it before i remembered this thread. If this is what you are talking about dandre then i totally agree with points you make and would love to see more sites like this

Exactly what I was thinking . You don't have to search far to find me suggesting Kitesurfingschool.org on here. Angus has done a great job of trying to answer all the questions at www.coastalwindsports.com . I know these aren't videos but a great start.

I think that the lack of land related info is due to the small numbers involved ? Supply and demand ! Similar issue with magazines? It was only a few years ago I was thrilled just to find even a forum to discuss land related kiting that included North America. Your idea is good and Van's Wiki site seems like a good way to go. Unfortunately I think our small #'s will make this slow to grow?

Something I noticed about kitesurf training videos is that the very basic stuff was all I knew / could do. The other 95% of the tutorials on rotations on up is so beyond me I'm not learning anything ?

D you are a total joke, you think you can intrent your way to being a great kiter. You got to stop talking #@%$#! and get out and live. You should respect people who have experince.

Have you ever done anything other than static flying?

I would never want to kite with you and your big mouth. you have nothing to back it up with!

You can also lick my balls while you are living with mom in maryland, I have been snowkiting!

Yikes people, what the hey? :puzzled:

dandre - the time involved in compiling databases is pretty enormous, especially if you try to cover all the options ... better to ask specific questions IMO - that's what forums are for. And I don't think any of the members here have jumped on people for asking the same questions all newbies ask ...

... a better idea would be to have a forum area with only tutorials - but the biggest problem here is going off-topic

Not all new kiters have a chip on there shoulder like him. I tried to help his kid and he started talking bad about me. I just want eveyone to how I feel about him. I told him there is a great scene around and if you arent #@%$#! people would love to help you learn. The last person I want to share info with is an egoststical punk. It would make my day to see his ass schooled.

Kite hard promote natural slection?
you are talking about yourself

Ouch!!! I don't think we need to resort to attacks with this topic........speaking of the topic here is a couple that you might find interesting maybe towards what your are thinking of..............

http://www.kiteforum.tv/
http://www.kitesurfoperator.com/

come on BV, you can do better than that. Sure Dandre may have been a bit pushy and stepping on some toes, but that's not helping either man.

still thinks its possible, but not for a semi-professional video library full of kite lectures. Something much more informal with bit-sized videos wouldn't be out of reach. 60 videos could be added in one year by 10 guys adding one video each every 2 months. Not bad. It wouldn't need to be built over night.

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