good day all, i'm new to the site. thank you for allowing me to follow along and feed my new addiction.
i started out w/ the sole ambition of kite boarding to replace
what snow sking was in my life (100+days/yr).
i have found out i can't get enough kiting, even w/out the water. i have many questions.........too many questions, i know they must wait their turn. i wake up early to fly before work every day w/ a decent wind forcast. i get in about an hour and this is all that i can hope to fit in. i own a rush4, 3m 2 line w/ a bar and love flying it. i just got a PL pepper 2m w/ handles that i am thinking about getting a bar for. between the set up, and tangle time it seems i'd have more fly time.
i also seem to like the bar set up more anyway. would this be wrong to do?? or will handle flying become more enjoyable to me w/ more time put in? i look forward to wildwood, i hope i dont bother you all too much there.
thanks for any input

a bar gives immediate pleasure because anyone can do it the first time you pick it up. But the handles make you a real pilot and the extra control you will have will make flying even more fun.
Handles on fixed bridle kites are the way to go

Welcome!

There are systems you can develop for yourself to avoid tangles with 4-line kites... some like parapacking, some like socks, some like daisy chains.
An Ozone bar for the 4-line would be good but you'd need a harness. Handles are a little more flexible, especially trying to relaunch when you've pranged it...

These guys are right on. Handles add another dimension to flying. The tangles issue goes away once you get a packing pattern down + crash less. You are just having growing pains.

Handles are the way to go on Fixed Bridle kites , FB kites are the way to go if you just want to static fly.

If you want to get into motion on anything but a buggy you may want to look at depower kites. These are the kites you fly on a bar , with a harness.

+1 for learning on both handles and bar, but if you have your heart set on a bar, here's a good deal on one in the for sale section. Great seller, too.
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=20942
A.B. NY? is that Alex Bay? Do you know Jan B? (TIKayak on the forums)

to everything that was said above. Handles to me and as it relates to FB kites, opens up a whole new world of manuerability and control. I ride in some of the lightest and 'holest' winds and in my type of conditions the lack of control I get from a bar, just won't work!

I can wrap and unwrap a kite faster using a bar, but I'm pretty damn close when I handle wrap...and that's about the only reason I would ever think of using a bar (for what I do). Obviously, landboarding is a different beast...I prefer depowerables for that....

AB......being Atlantic Beach, Thanks all for the input. My plan is to get proficient w/ both.
i am very limited w/ my morning fly time so i thought a bar set up would get me up faster(and packed up)
i really have liked the handles under specific conditions like under 20 kts. just thought i would use
the foil more often if i could go to a bar. That ozone bar is what got me thinking that way. Already have
a harness and was just trying to find a reason to put it on.
Also thought that bar would serve me well w/ future kites.
But must say i don't know enough to really know.