local action, snagged this from FB.

spot any concerns??, or is it me just being an ass about safety.

Well the obvious... No bucket no shoes.... :ticking:

Straps totally loose on board, maybe to make jumping out easier, but shouldn't she just learn right off proper adjustment, and how to get out that way... is this a test?? Also, he might be able to hold her down if something goes wrong, but if not, who is gonna call 911?

and you pay for this, just to add. yeah the no helmet,...now for a hard head, ignorant fool like myself it can take a while to know and apply the importance of this element.

there is no ink or conversation that can release you from a poor outcome should it occur. but the fact there's a pic...

its a test everyday. its a test every time.

note the scudding marks ...so theres some breeze.

my concern for the sport starts here, action like this can be injurious to the student, the instructor. the passive safety looks good , not crowded appears empty. the active safety is a failure. no helmetS(both should have them), no pads, the shoe thing come on! his grip on the harness cannot make up for the lack of easily applied safety gear.

if its just some kids fartin' around they'll learn the hard way and prolly need it that way. but drop $ for a "lesson" like that, even if its free the liability is present.

just enough to entice the student to want more, without proper safety education, total disservice into a INJURY PRONE SPORT, now thats careless folks

Compared to the price of the kite, harness, board, etc... it just seems like the cost for even a basic helmet is negligible for the safety it affords and should just be a <* insert pun here *> no-brainer.

No pads? Or are salty sand encrusted scabs just sexy?

Loose straps would bother me less if stout shoes were involved to lock your feet against the L-brackets... who knows maybe just leather feet.

Hand firmly on the handle pass strap? Check :puzzled: .... not sure why people think that's a good idea. If things have already gone that far South, it can hinder as much as help.

Kind of interesting that they each have their own seperate harness and leash.

The info that I am most interested in is off-screen or unavailable. I would love to know what kite is being used and what the winds are like... i.e. has someone with a learners permit just been strapped into a Ferrari. I can't count the number of videos where beginners are flying and the wind sounds like it is tearing the foam off the mic.

ATB,
Sam

access hQ depower 7m, i think. 10-12mph thats a guess

Do not be concerned ,its a new ,soon to be medicaly approved , Dermabrasion technique for chicks with balls.

just wanted to check with folks in the know.

i know i playing safety cop, but the sport could actually go huge at this spot properly handled. this is what i consider fumbling.

since i harvested( i like using that word) the image from FB ...???any concerns of infringe of rights with that(image use) it was posted in public page within FB. ???advise please

Lack of: helmet, pads, shoes. Straps loose as a goose. Things like this really get to me. I'm all about growing our sport but first lesson should be SAFETY!

Public is public. Unless it's noted with copyright, I think no problem.

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Originally posted by BeamerBob Public is public. Unless it's noted with copyright, I think no problem.

Implied copyrights are still in play.

"A commonly discussed scenario where implied licenses are destined to play a major role is on the World Wide Web. When a Web page is viewed in a Web browser, the page is downloaded through the Internet and placed on the user's screen. It is clear that a copy of the Web page is being made by the user. It is also clear that the Web page is protected against unauthorized copying by copyright law. But it would not make sense to allow the author of a Web page to sue a user who viewed her page, since the author intended that the page be viewed by others when she placed it on the World Wide Web. Rather, attorneys argue, courts should find that the Web page author has given end users an implied license to download and view the Web page. The extent of this implied license is unclear, and may someday be defined by the courts."

Within the context of FB, implied consent would probably hold. Further desemination by the viewer starts treading into murkier waters. If it becomes forum fodder and the sole exercise is to point on what a55h@ts the people are and questioning the species of their parentage, I expect there would be some grounding for litigation. An unbiased safety critique would probably be fair use.

This is gut read based on what people have been able to file for with regards to libel cases.

In reality, it's just as likely that anything would get tossed out of course as a nuisance case. All a matter of degrees, motivation, and incentive for all involved.

ATB,
Sam

My reply was much more fun to type!

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Originally posted by BeamerBob My reply was much more fun to type!

Yes, much shorter and easier on the typing fingers too. My fingers hate me. :sniff:

ATB,
Sam

I know exactly where this was and when it was, and this is exactly the group I saw. Obviously you can't see, but I'm about 100+ yards south on the beach on my bug (wearing a helmet and kneepads ). The fact that they weren't padded/ helmetted totally didn't occur to me at the time.

They're flying a 7.5m HQ Apex,... it was a HUGE kite and winds were 8-9 knots.

They practiced on a smaller bar trainer earlier for a while.

I recognize the girl, and the instructor, and the whole scene.

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Originally posted by soliver I recognize the girl, and the instructor, and the whole scene.

Is this just peer to peer instruction or do you think this guy was giving a formal lesson ?

If he is calling himself an instructor I think he needs a talking to. Starting with his insurance policy. :puzzled:

Shut him down before he causes real trouble.

While I have learned that I have no control over others riding without helmets etc. I will never put my gear in the hands of someone without a helmet.

Looks like the kite is suicide leashed too ...?

thanks BOB thanks SAM. the fact it was in the public domain makes all public. the basic fact it was posted by someone at all! makes the rest of the copies ..."as though we were there" too (life so vividly captured , solivers reliving it!)....the realization of safety critique is part of teaching model. ...now the student is truly handicapped by the experience , the reflex for safety is primary and this obviously has to be taught.
this would be in a manual for teaching as a poorly prepared situation FOR LAND KITING ...in his(guy in the behind position HAHAH) defensive, the guy teaches in the water and prolly lacks head protection reflex of his own so....at some point MORE kiters will be enlightened as to profound importance of safety gear. oh what fun


training was used and implied

Its amazing how people can be willing to spend big bucks on a kite, harness and board but the thought of buying a helmet just seems to cost too much. Riding ATB with bare feet would just be way too painful. Bet if you approached him, with her standing there he would lose his #@%$#! real fast. Funny thing is I've met a few people snowboarding, skateboarding, kiting, or other sport that figured that because they didn't plan to do any jumps that day a helmet wouldn't be necessary. Seems that you see more people seriously hurt taking it easy more than those pushing their limits.:dunno: If he's an actual certified instructor, there should be a way to report him and have his insurance company write him a warning letter or something.

Wait I'm confused. Is this a paid lesson with a certified instructor or not?

If that guy is a legit instructor and that is his client then he should forced to go throught the recert process with a strong refresher on safety equipment and she should hire someone who knows what the hell they're doing. The stuff that can happen as an end result of a situation like this is what makes living here in the "Land of the Lawsuit" such a damn PITA. It's hard enough to get insurance once your certified and guys likethis just make it harder.

I guess we can be happy that they didn't forget the leash.

not sure of the "legit" status of the guy, but he WAS giving a lesson, and said he was from an organization, (I'll keep the name to myself to avoid finger pointing etc. etc.).

I introduced myself and asked if he was on "PKF"... he looked confused, so when I told him "power kite forum" he responded that he wasn't into computers much.

He seemed in a hurry, so I didn't keep him,... but he did say he was from a local shop/ training organization. "I'm with ........."

They are both wearing leashes so they could swap the kite back and forth for him to demonstrate. This I witnessed.

Like I said before, I totally overlooked the no helmet thing, cuz I RARELY see other kiters, and I was just excited to see so much ripstop up in the sky,... but I DO have to give the guy credit, ... he was very much in control,... of his lesson, the kite, and his "students"... the kite rarely left zenith, and if it did, he had his hand on the girl's or her boyfriend's (maybe husband's) harness. They made very small movements.

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Originally posted by PHREERIDER or is it me just being an ass about safety.

Sorry, I just now got to reading this post. Got to the end and went back for another look at the pic. Got to say if she, and he, wants to be idiots and show the rest of us who know better, there isn't a soul around that can tell them anything that will make a change for the best. Unless money is involved.

I would like to focus on the statement from PHREE, Glad to know you ASS!
Will be good to see you again, and again. Don't underestimate the ability you have for seeing something that doesn't look right. Some have lived and never seen the things you have experienced, you have seen and experienced.
I kid once told me that, "a wise man doesn't argue with a fool because people won't know who's who".
I wanted to beat that kid that day, but he was right.
Show the world the right way to do things and let the fools slowly die off. Just hope they don't take us with them.

this is a business, web site states this guy is certified instructor ... and states "safety and responsibility in the sport.

one mentions PASA and other "certified instructor".

current status would require current card or IKO/PASA inquiries