Does anyone have a date?

Like my Zero7 bar, my Syns are letting me know they have seen better days. Everytime I crash them now, there is a cell blowout. 4 blown cells since last October (1 on the 15 and 3 on the 10). I need to replace them soon. If the Charger release date is not known, I will have to replace my Syns with the dreaded LEI. :o

not long now!!

figured i would bump this up

any news on when and if it will be out ??
was supose to be out for summer and , well it's over

will it be out some time this year ??

steff

The Charger II is scheduled to start arriving into stores around mid October. No word yet on the Voltage but it is estimated that it will be coming out after the Charger II is in full production.

Here's the latest writeup on the Charger II from Vliegerop:

The Charger has been the most versatile kite in the Peter Lynn Twinskin line-up since its release. The unique Twinskin profile has been the choice of many landboarders, kiteboarders, freestyle buggiers and snowkiters all around the world, due to its unique flying characteristics, performance and userfriendliness.

We are proud to inform you that we have further finetuned these characteristics in the new Charger! Additionally we managed to further improve userfriendliness and windrange without sacrificing performance.

The new model of the Charger has proven to be more stable, durable, adaptable and more capable of serving you excellent kiting performance then ever before. For this new iteration of the ultimate ‘do it all’ kite we have taken all the best aspects of the original and combined it with the valuable user feedback we received since the original Charger’s release. Add to that the new style of Peter Lynn graphic design and some unique and surely ‘bold’ color combinations and we feel there is another winner in our line-up!

Sounds pretty awesome!!! AWindOfChange is taking pre-orders right now and offering a 5% discount on all pre-orders received before October 10th.

Just an FYI because we get so many requests....

The Charger II comes in three colors:
Forest / Red
Royal Blue / Sea Blue
Black / Orange

Sizes are 6.5 Meter, 8.0 Meter, 10.0 Meter, 12.0 Meter, 15.0 Meter, 18.0 Meter and a whopping 22.5 Meter. Each size is available in the three colors listed above.

MSRP Prices are:
6.5m - 839.00
8.0m - 939.00
10.0m - 1049.00
12.0m - 1139.00
15.0m - 1269.00
18.0m - 1379.00
22.5m - 1519.00

These are Kite ONLY prices. Add $320.00 for the Navigator (TS) control bar package.

Again, we are offering a 5% discount and free shipping off of the above prices for all pre-orders. You must contact me directly to place your Pre-Order as they are not yet loaded up on our website.

Hope this helps clear up a lot of the questions regarding the new Charger II.

22m mmmmmmmmmmm........

22 point 5!

is the 22 a production size or special order?

Could wait no longer. I replaced my Syns with the dreaded LEI. People here think aliens have taken over my body.

Is the Nav bar the same as the old one?

I hope they don't use the thin fabric that they used on the new phantoms

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Originally posted by flyjump I hope they don't use the thin fabric that they used on the new phantoms

I was looking closely at my P2 this weekend and it did seem to have rather thin fabric. I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. I've been wanting a lighter Arc. A lighter kite has more low end wind range. That's just what I need in a big Arc.

Otherwise I have to get some god-awful expensive Flysurfer or light-weight FB for the light wind days. I do not want to give up the Arc-y goodness.

Philip

Philip you are right. I don't necissarily think it's thinner, but it definatly feels lighter. I don't know if it was sprayed with a lighter water proof coating or what, but what I did notice was that it felt much lighter. I did see one of the new phantoms tear along a seam about 12 inches, but that could have been because of the conditions in which it hit.

I much prefer the solid feel to the old venoms and such. Im getting old and I don't like change! haha I really like kites that are sturdy so they can take punishment

AFIK, the 22.5 is a production kite. Because of it's size and limited demand, I don't think they will be making a ton of them like they would for the 10, 12 and 15 so availability may be a little limited or slightly harder to get a hold of.

I will check on the fabric and find out whats up with it.

woohoo !!! thanks for all the info

might i ask if anyone has a sneak peek at the graphics on them

What is the Hype on the new Charger ?

For my personal style the Charger was getting too aggresive. Like my original C kites.
I stepped back to my trusty Syn's . ( and now phanny 18 )

I wonder with 2 arcs back in the line up if the Charger will hold the amped up nature ?

How will the C2 and P2 differ?

Why no Charger2 preview page with more info yet? Didn't the Phantom2 get a page months before it's release?? awindofchange posted some of the hype earlier in this thread and the Charger2 is sounding pretty nice (a Syn with better performance perhaps). I think the C2 is going to be the all around kite and the P2 the land /snow kite.

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might i ask if anyone has a sneak peek at the graphics on them

Seems like same graphics as the P2 with different colors.


* you can right click and click "view image" to view it in full size

Yup, new graphics similar to the P2. The new Reactor and Voltage should be hitting soon too! PL has been BUSY!

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Originally posted by zero gee (a Syn with better performance perhaps).

Isn't that what the Charger was supposed to do and why it replaced it ?

I guess what I am asking is of the 2 models what one will allow me to screw up and not snap at me for my mistake? What drew me back to my Syn was it's way of taking care of itself and not spanking me if I mess up.

I am assuming P2. So ..... does the P2 deliver snappy power and hunt for zenith like the Charger? Is it as laid back and as fast turning as the Syn? Or is it a truck like the old Phanny?

the P2 isn't snappy like the charger. it is definatly more stable even with everything tightend up for quick response. It felt somewhat like a venom. Ready to go when you are but not as edgy as the CH. It feels stable and faster turning like the synergy but not as aggresive as the chargers. It has a very smooth auto zenith. I liked the P2 but it didn't have the boost and hangtime like the chargers had. Also it has lots more throw in the bar which I really enjoyed. It seemed to be more like a blending of the synergy and scorpion to me. It is a really fun kite when you have lots of open space. I didn't like that if you were in a small space like a soccer field it needed a bit more space to light it up for tricks. However when I used it, the winds were only 10-14mph at best. It definatly launches easier then the old phantoms and scorpions. In that aspect it felt much like the Syn.

it doesnt have that aggresive lift that the older phantoms possessed. which some people may really enjoy. the bar also felt simple like 07, but was better self contained like the navi bar. the vpc is also more simple on the ph2.

bladerunner; i hope this help in a comparison for you!

I logged about 3 hours on my P2 15 this weekend on the beach. and two more hours on grass a few weeks back. I've also flown and P2 10m back in May. As a Scorp flier I find the P2 to be a more forgiving kite yet high performing. It is easier to launch than the Scorp, turns faster than the Scorp, and provides a smoother ride.

The depower is huge, but moreso I feel like there is a wider range of useful power settings. When I'm riding the Scorps on grass (e.g. more rolling resistance) I feel like I am hunting for the sweet spot where I get just the right mix of speed and power. With the P2 I just pull in the bar until I'm happy. It just feels easier to power up.

The P2 tracks very well on long tacks. I'd say equivalent to the Scorp. With either kite I one-hand the bar. I wrap my fingers of my leeward hand around the bar from the back side. I put two or three fingers below the trim line depending on how high I want the kite to fly. More fingers below the trim steer the kite more downward. I fine-tune the flying height with small adjustments of finger pressure. I don't know how that compares to P1 flying, but there it is.

I like the new nav bar a lot. The safety line has elastic inside it so it adapts its length to your trim. You never have a sagging safety line wrapping in other stuff. The trim line does offer one gotcha--if you like to detangle in flight, the 5th line safety is another line to watch out for when you are passing the bar through the flying lines. If you are aware of it, it's not hard to work with. Just don't ignore it or you can make a mess of things.

My one complaint on the nav bar has to do with the stopper. If the bar is sitting on the stopper, I can't move the stopper out. On my home-built bar I trim in or out with the bar resting on the stopper. That's a really nice feature I would love to have on the nav. Does anyone have a mod to allow a more flexible "stopper trimming"? In considering making my own movable stopper for the nav.

Philip

Wow this is turning into the best review of the P2 I have come accross ! Sorry about the thread veer.

Thanks to both of you for the reviews! Nobody has mentioned low end ? I NEED an arc that will perform with only 5kt winds ! The original phanny 18 is filling that spot now with room to improve. ( accept of course the graphics )

Sounds like I will be wanting to get a shot at the P2 before the new Charger. I sure do miss having a shop located here to " try before you buy " .