http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/mar/19/kite-buggy-enthu...

The guys doing the article were really nice and interested in the sport. The writer and photographer went on a tandem ride with me.

NICE:bigok:

Awesome. Absolutely awesome.

This is an awesome article. Boobie it was real cool to give them a safe ride.

Brian; The picture shows an inflatable kite. Will you use foils or inflatables for the record?

Brian has been testing with the LEI kites. They seem to be very stable. When we've run together into the low 50s, he seems to have an edge over me with my Phantom IIs. That's with him running a 7m Fury and me a 9m PII.

It's so sad that Brian's record was not accepted by some folks.

If LEI's are being used wouldn't it make sense to use the model that is winning all the races on water ? Ozone .
This seems like yet another reason PL should be working on an LEI race kite !

Not being a big FB pilot I could be wrong but I thought FB race kites like the Vapor were actually faster kites than LEI ? Am I off base there ?

Ken it has alot to do with confidence and usable power. I run fixed bridle kites from time to time but the difficulty is choosing the right kite that will have you slightly overpowered when the big gust hits. The forecast yesterday was 23 gusting to 36. At 23 mph winds, you would just be puttering around all the time and have a hard time getting back upwind with a 2.7 vapor. Go bigger and you get dragged sideways when the big gust hits. If the wind is high and just stays high like on the big day at nabx last year, then sure, a small race kite will be will powered all the time and a skilled pilot can make use of the power. Brian is both the corporate rep for North America and a team rider for Peter Lynn so that explains why he isn't flying an ozone. I wouldn't mind trying one of those racy LEIs out though. I wonder if their design would work well with so much less drag on a buggy on a lakebed surface that would be with a race board in water?

Yes , I think the last couple of challenges we had proved the right kite for the winds makes all the difference. Something tells me I need more than just the right kite to show you my dust now ! I'm glad you spoke up. I think you have a respectable rounded experience with FB and depower now. You need to start Demoing the LEI's !

I'm aware that Brian is " Peter Lynn " in North America. + this thread is in praise of his accomplishments. Sorry for the veer. I was meaning in general. If Ozone is ruling the race circuit on water I wonder why they aren't being adopted by speed demons in buggies ?

I have a feeling that 100mph is going to be done with a small foil long before any LEI or Arc ?

Wait ......
What you are saying ????
I just bought set of FB race kites worth ~ 10K ,,,,,, and what I should do is ride my LEIs with buggy instead ??? lol......

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Originally posted by Bladerunner I have a feeling that 100mph is going to be done with a small foil long before any LEI or Arc ?

I'll hold judgement on that for awhile. I think the fast depower kites offer something that hasn't really been tapped into yet.

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Originally posted by Bladerunner Yes , I think the last couple of challenges we had proved the right kite for the winds makes all the difference. Something tells me I need more than just the right kite to show you my dust now ! I'm glad you spoke up. I think you have a respectable rounded experience with FB and depower now. You need to start Demoing the LEI's ! I'm aware that Brian is " Peter Lynn " in North America. + this thread is in praise of his accomplishments. Sorry for the veer. I was meaning in general. If Ozone is ruling the race circuit on water I wonder why they aren't being adopted by speed demons in buggies ? I have a feeling that 100mph is going to be done with a small foil long before any LEI or Arc ?

Because LEI race kites are about racing around a course and not designed for top speed. Kites such as the Ozone Edge are grunty, they produce lots of low down power in order to get clear of a mark or buoy as quickly as possible. Even their 7m tops out in 40mph winds.

Kites such as the Genetrix Hydra on the other-hand are designed for top speed and it currently holds the world record above 55knts on water. This kites wind range has another 23mph!!! over the Edge. 63mph wind / 75Kg rider.

If I were Peter Lynn I'd take a close look at the Genetrix Hydra and make a 5m version for the buggy. I believe a few tweaks to the Hydra such as an even thinner LE and smaller size will get Brian to 100mph.

The smallest Hydra is 7m

...but I really like the video. Nice quality, angles and feel for the speed. And what a surprise when you see a wheel come off!:o

I notice a quick exit of unbuckling and getting up w/ no harness on. Is the spreader bar/roller connected onto a seat belt ...and is there a safety release(panic snap or such) connected to roller?

My local kiting cohort- Doublespeed 360- is one of the 38 breaking 62mph and he said he was using a, "small fixed bridal"(quote).... of just 2 or 3m, I believe he said.,...Ill have to ask him again.

The speed buggy is a "hotwire" setup. the kite is attached directly to the buggy. My run to 63.1 was with a 2.7m vapor. It was the same kite that Brian used when he broke the record. I gave him my kite he borrowed to break the record with and PL replaced it with a new one.

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Originally posted by Bladerunner It's so sad that Brian's record was not accepted by some folks.

Yes Ken, it was sad, but I could see it from a doubters eyes too, to US the buggying community someone breaking the world speed record is almost as big as the first moon walk....its a monumental achievement, and many people who didn't, or do not know Brian as we do, would naturally have doubts, thats human nature.

I think there were a few raised eyebrows at first, only because he wasn't on the radar as a speed merchant, a freestyler one day boom fastest buggier on the planet the next, it shocked a lot of people, but a year has passed by now, I have not heard of anyone this side of the pond who has voiced any doubts about Brians record....and of course at the time, many people would not accept it without proof, which of course was presented a few days later.

Because of that and potentially other situations like that, a more stringent set of rules were debated and discussed until we were left with the rules we have today, not 100s of riduculous regs and demands, but a common sense set of rules to incorporate the safety and integrety of the pilot, to remove all doubt what so ever.

There will be the odd occasion where a record is broken but ALL the criteria has not been met, in situations like that we now have a select committee made up of respected peers from around the globe to decide from the evidence available if the claim is valid or not, so hopefully no one else will have to go through what Brian went through.

Also lets bring up previous records, which we all accepted without any scrutiny...why was that? perhaps because they were already on the radar, known to be gunning for the record, yes we saw 3gps units, we did not see most of what we are asking for now thats for sure, but all that is in the past now, from now on, any record claim, be it official or unofficial will have to meet the criteria to be accepted, everyone knows the rules now, I have plastered them everywhere I can....no excuses right!!!!!

There is always the Guinness cirteria that Brian has managed to get hold of, well done for that by the way, from what I have read, Brian or anyone else hoping to make an official record will have their work cut out meeting their demands, with the unpredictability of the wind, and the expense of the equipment needed, the very best of luck with that, my only concern about trying an offical record is, having set everything up, picked the day, organised the man power, equipment in place, all checked and calibrated, then the wind drops.....we could end up with an official record of 45mph or so until someone can go to all the lengths of setting it all up another day.

Like I mentioned, as far as I am concerned,

Brian is regarded as the "fastest buggier on the planet"

Arjen is the fastest pilot in a race buggy (with extra weights added above the FISLEY limits)

Stephan van Bommel is the fastest pilot in a race legal buggy (within the FISLEY 60kg max weight limits)

Matt aka Windjammer is the fastest pilot on European soil

Who is we "we were left with the rules we have today"? And who decided these are our rules?

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Originally posted by jellis Who is we "we were left with the rules we have today"? And who decided these are our rules?

Unnofficial Rules or....uthuh “official” amongst the Kite buggying fraternity

There were discussions on many forums and facebook, to decide what was and what wasn't needed anyone who wanted an input had it, to remove doubt and for pilot safety.....thats the 'we' our peers

Remember Jellis, these are for Unofficial World Records only.....nothing else

If you want Official, you go down the Guinness route, simples

Interesting point,

Lets say Brian ( or anybody with the cash and time ) sets up everything right with Guinness whatever they run would be the worlds fastest speed according to them ? Even if that speed falls far short of 3GPS records .

Yes that is a possibility. I'm not sure one of us would bother posting the Guinness record if it doesn't equal or surpass the current 3gps record.