I have been looking at the Turbo bar for a few months now, and it really is intriguing. From what they say, it works great on almost any brake biased kite. The 8.0m Toxic needs the entire sky to turn around on the power lines, but when you add brakes, you can spin it on a wingtip. I have tried having entire static sessions using ONLY brakes, and it still turns really well keeping the power lines completely even and only using the brakes.

I have no been able to find any videos, or find any forum posts where someone used the Turbo bar with the 8.0m Toxic. I am interested in hearing from someone who has tried this, because I might want to grab a Turbo bar in the near future. Does anyone on this forum have experience with the Ozone Turbo Bar and the Toxic? I have a local dealer that can get me a turbo bar, but he does not have one in stock I can demo.

Nobody? I would hate to blow $200 for something I would never use because it performs like crap on my favorite kite...

Ive used the turbo bar on several different fixed bridle kites. It does a decent job on smaller stuff, but I haven't gone above 5m with it. I find myself using a Strop and handles more with the harness and the larger kites.

i would go the strop route first and see how that goes.

I have been flying it on strop and handles since I got it. I have even taken it out three times on the buggy now. I find myself wanting to try a bar for control on the bug without investing in a depower just yet. I got to fly my first depower a few weeks ago, a 12m foil, but I can't recall the name or brand right now. All I remember is I had to work the crap out of the kite to keep it in the air, and my 8.0m Toxic was zooming around. The depower had so much more low end grunt, though. The Toxic is a much, much faster kite, and pulled harder, but got through the window so fast that you have to work it a lot in the buggy until you get going fast enough to generate some real apparent wind. The Depower foil did not turn nearly as quickly either, obviously, but the low end was just nuts.

The Toxic would pull me 6-8 ft. in one swing through the window, while the depower I tried would pull me farther, but not as quickly. It didn't FEEL as powerful. I disliked the fact that it turned so much slower than the Toxic. In the videos I have seen of kites on the turbo bar, they seem to turn around just as quickly as they would on handles, but with the luxury of doing those tight turns with one hand. Everything that I have read so far has people saying that the Turbo bar works best on larger kites that favor brake turns. That makes it sound like it would work like a charm, since the Toxic loves the brakes so much.

Anyone have a Turbo Bar I could demo? I would pay shipping both directions :P

I was intrigued by the turbo bar, but like you, reluctant to shell out 200+ Sheckles to buy one that I wasn't sure would work. So with 3 pulleys, a bit of dowel and a quick release shackle, I knocked one up taking approximate dimensions from a photo of a turbo bar. Despite it looking like rubbish, it actually worked really well and convinced me to buy the real deal. Sort of a cheats way to 'try before you buy'.

If you can fly the Toxic just on brakes, then the turbo bar should be fine - size of kite shouldn't matter. I fly a 6.5m Method on mine and it works a treat.

Here's my first home made 'turbo bar'. And yes, you may laugh!

Home made turbo bar

Built my own turbo bar from these specs with a FB 4 line bar(had a hole running through the middle) that I got with a used kite. Only spent $30 extra dollars plus the bar which I wasn't going to use anyways.

http://forum.kitecrowd.com/kite-landboarding/building-ozone-...

Ozone says that their Method kite (which is their equivalent to HQ's Toxic) works well with the Turbo bar, so I think it has a chance of working with that 8.0M.

The Turbo bar braking system should work fine on any kite. I think the question will be does the 8m fly well on a bar?

I stuck stubbornly to using a control bar with my fixed bridle kites for a long time before I started using depower kites with my landboard. For the bigger kites I found i needed a long bar before they would fly properly without folding a wing tip or anything. and by bigger I mean the 5.6 and 6.6.

How come you want to fly on a bar anyway? The Toxic works great on handles as you know.

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The Turbo bar braking system should work fine on any kite.

No, it doesn't. The two that I have tried that really did not fly well was a PKD Century II and a PL Reactor II. It was too much brake input for both those kites which resulted in a tendency to stall and spin on turns. I also couldn't make my Nasa Star 2's fly any good on the bar either.

PL Hornet is ok, but you can tell when you turn it on the Turbo Bar that there is just a bit too much brake input. I've also got a 9m Ozone Riot that doesn't feel right on the bar.

However, Methods, Octane, Flow, Beamer, Blade IV & Imps have been brilliant on the bar.

Despite what Ozone claim - and they claim a lot of things - not all 4 line kites are suited to a turbo bar.

So the fact is that the Turbo bar SHOULD work well on the Toxic, but my main concern now is if the bar will be long enough to provide enough brake input on one side without having to sheet the bar in and in turn giving brake input to the other side at the same time.

That really shouldn't be a worry, because when you pull on the left side to turn the kite the right side goes slack...very slack. Even pulling the bar in a ways to get a little tighter off a turn leaves plenty of slack on the outside lines.

Well, sounds like the Turbo bar would work great with it then. I might have to give that a go eventually.

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How come you want to fly on a bar anyway? The Toxic works great on handles as you know.

It does work great on handles, but I have found myself sometimes really wanting a free hand while riding. I would really love to be able to fly with one hand, while also being able to use the brakes. You can't do that easily with one hand on handles. The Toxic is such a brake heavy kite that I don't think you can do a loop with power lines alone, even if you have the whole sky to turn around. I don't know if the smaller Toxics have that same characteristic since they are not as high aspect as the 8.0m.

I use it together . For me the 6.5 okay, but it safety does not give a sensation already at 5 when starts being over power , - than back to bars.
But I believe it if owerpower is good with a bar only to go